The Dogs Dinner: All You Wanted to Know About Food For Fido

kazkirkpatrick · 08-09-2005, 06:04 PM

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This article is the educated opinions and thoughts of Karen Kirkpatrick, and may not actually be an accurate representation of those either, since she lacks proofreading skills. Global Paw is in no way responsible for inaccurate content or crazy ideas.

If you have a problem with anything stated here, please let it be known in a calm and orderly fashion.Please also remember this is for your average dog, not canines with specials needs and diets.

Im going to make this a concise and easy reference for your reading pleasure.

Ingredients which automatically rule out a food.
If these are anywhere in the ingredients list, put it down and look for something else.

A non-meat first ingredient is an automatic no go.

Meat by-products: By-products can vary ... they can consist of the internal parts of animals such as necks, heads, undeveloped eggs, feet, intestines, lungs, spleen and liver. Although by-products are used by many manufacturers, are these ingredients you would knowingly feed your pet?

Corn: Corn products are difficult for dogs to digest.

Food Fragments: Lower cost by-products of another food manufacturing process. Examples include wheat bran and brewer's rice (a waste product of the alcohol industry).

Meat and bone meal: "Meat and bone meal" and "beef and bone meal" are inexpensive sources of animal protein. The protein in a meal containing a large amount of bone may be poorly digestible and fail to provide adequate nutrition.

Animal Fat: Animal fat is a "generic" fat source that is most often made up of rendered animal fat, restaurant grease, or other oils too rancid or deemed inedible for humans. Look for a named fat source, such as poultry or chicken fat, that is naturally preserved.

Chemical Preservatives: Chemical preservatives include butylated hydroxyanisole (BHA), butylated hydroxytoluene (BHT), propyl gallate, propylene glycol (also used as a less-toxic version of automotive antifreeze), and ethoxyquin. BHA, BHT, and ethoxyquin are potentially cancer-causing agents. The long term build-up of these chemicals (that may be eaten every day for the life of your pet!) have not been thouroughly studied and may ultimately be harmful.

Sweeteners: Sweeteners such as corn syrup, sugar, and cane mallases are usually added to lower quality foods to increase their appeal. Dietary sugars can aggrevate health problems, including diabetes.

Beef Tallow A low quality fat product.

SugarThis is not an ingredient most people would expect to find in dog food, but many foods do, in fact, contain sugar, especially the semi-moist brands. In fact, some semi-moist foods contain as much as 15% sugar. The sugar adds palatability and moisture, and aids in bacterial contamination prevention. Dogs do not need this amount of sugar, which can stress the pancreas and adrenal glands, causing diabetes. Completely devoid of protein, vitamins and minerals, sugar is, literally, empty calories.

Food colorings These still commonly used in pet foods today despite the fact that they are not necessary and some have been linked to medical problems

Stuff to look for

Rice A combination of brown and white rice. The white rice for digestibility and the brown for its added nutritional value. A diet product that is 100% brown rice can be somewhat hard for some animals to digest. Rice is good, corn is not.

Meat vs Meal Pet food labels found in grocery and mass marketers like to use Chicken or Lamb to represent real meat. – (Contains 70% moisture). This leads you the consumer to believe that their product is meat based. Chicken or lamb meats are heavier than grains prior to cooking. The moisture contained in the meats (70%) is reduced by 2/3rds after the cooking process, leaving the total formula as a grain base food after processing. Therefore, pound for pound, meal is better than meat as its basically a concentrated form of meat, less water, more protein!

Wheat Wheat is ok, as long as its not in the top 3 ingredients

Other Ingredients and what they are for

Chicken Fat (Omega 6) Essential fatty acids, maintains moisture in skin cells and is easily digested.

Fish Meal (Omega 3) Essential fatty acids, controls skin inflammation, helps relieve itching & hot spots.

Flax Seed (Omega 3) Essential fatty acids, helps reduce allergy problems caused from flea bites and gives the coat a shiny luster.

Sunflower Oil (Omega 6) Essential fatty acids, prevents scruffy, dry coat and maintains moisture in skin cells.

Lecithin Helps emulsify cholesterol and aids in the digestion and absorption of fats that feed the coat.

Linoleic Acid (Omega 6) Essential fatty acids, helps to prevent moisture loss from cells that cause flaky, dry skin and coat.

Sage Strengthens the mind and concentrating abilities; it aids in healing skin sores and skin eruptions and removing dandruff. It has been mostly employed in disordered states of the digestion and for its savory usage.

Vitamin E (mixed tocopherols) Nourishes and heals the skin.

Biotin Aids in the growth and health of hair.

Cranberry Meal Prevents the spread of bacterial infections in kidneys and the urinary tract. Helps prevent Cystitis.

Rosemary Is a stimulant of the circulatory system; to treat bad breath; stimulates the hair bulbs to new growth. Employed for its savory usage.

Apple Meal Rich in soluble fiber, lowers blood cholesterol levels and normalizes blood sugar.

Amaranth Vitamin packed herb, calms the stomach, reduces tissue swelling, removes worms and parasites from the digestive tract.

Brewers Yeast (Nutritional Yeast) A rich source of the B vitamins, contains 16 amino acids, 14 minerals and 17 vitamins. Protects, binds and rids from mycotoxins, which cause liver and organ damage..

Yucca Used for its reduction of both breath and stool odor ! A cleansing agent. Used by the Indians of the southwest for skin disorders, skin eruptions and helps avoid inflammation..

Eggs An excellent source of protein and contains all the essential Amino Acids..

Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Streptococcus Faecium fermentation extracts Probiotics. Better digestion and absorption of nutrients, they act to exclude and prevent harmful bacteria from colonizing and creating digestive upsets, helps prevent sickness and stress..

Yeast Culture All natural live yeast culture, it acts to stimulate microbial and enzyme populations in the animals digestive system. Live yeast cultures plus dried fermentation solubles..

COPPER AND IRON A deficiency of iron causes nutritional anemia. A small amount of copper will improve utilization of iron..

Beet Pulp (Sugar) CONTROVERSIAL
• AAFCO - Beet Pulp is the dried residue from sugar beets which has been cleaned and extracted in the process of manufacturing sugar.
• Natura uses it because - "it as a good source of fiber and a stool hardener". However, it is not found in their Innova or California Natural products.
• Solid Gold doesn't use it because they believe it is: "Added to pet food to slow down the transition of rancid animal fats (think toxic waste). This holds the waste in. Kidneys and liver work overtime. Dogs may chew their lower backs. Feet may swell, so the dogs lick their feet. Sugar is a contributing factor to ear infections and cataracts".
Beet pulp is rather controversial, many think that it is an excellent additive and source of fiber and that all sugar has been completely extracted before being added as a pet food ingredients. If this is the only "problem" ingredient in a kibble, other factors will have to help you decide.

Brewers Rice
• AAFCO - Brewer's Rice is the small milled fragments of rice kernels that have been separated from the larger kernels of milled rice.
• Natura will not use it because they state it is a "lower quality rice product that is missing many of the nutrients found in Ground Rice and Ground Brown Rice." Solid Gold says that is the sweepings from the floor of the mill.

Rice Bran
• AAFCO - Rice Bran is the outer coating of the rice kernel, with little or none of the starchy part of the germ.
• Natura and Solid Gold reject it because it is "an inexpensive source of fiber that is considered a filler ingredient", i.e. devoid of nutrient value.

Sorghum
• AAFCO - Sorghum is the ground grain of the sorghum plant.
• Natura alleges that although sorghum is good source of carbohydrates, it is low in digestibility.

Side Note
Condemned parts and animals rejected for human consumption can be rerouted into commercial pet foods. These condemned parts are referred to as the 4 D's: dead, dying, diseased or decayed. We believe this is one of the most despicable practices in the pet food manufacturing industry.
Some manufacturers have a lower standard regarding the quality of ingredients they use to make pet food. A recent example of this practice is the discovery of Pentobarbital in major pet foods, including supermarket brands. Pentobarbital is a chemical used to euthanize animals. Many holistic veterinarians feel that daily ingestion of pentobarbital can be harmful.
Many manufacturers cut costs by using the cheapest ingredients available at the time a food is made. Since costs rise and fall, some manufacturers will vary ingredients from batch to batch .. resulting in changed nutrient values for each batch and possible digestive illness.
Some manufacturers have lower standards regarding the freshness of ingredients they use to make pet food. You can not determine the freshness of ingredients by reading a label; you must trust the pet food manufacturer.

Now I know you are still asking “is this food good”, so here is the basic lists with the research done for you (tsk tsk!)

The Good
When you want the best money can buy….
ADVANCE
BALANCE DIET
The Food ADVANTAGE
CANINE CAVIAR PET FOODS
Cripple Creek Kennels
Natural Balance
FLINT RIVER RANCH
HAPPY PAWS
HOLISTIC BLEND
SOLID GOLD
LIFE'S ABUNDANCE
TENDER LOVING CARE
NATURE'S FINEST
MATRIX
OLD MOTHER HUBBARD
Sammy Snacks
TIMBERWOLF ORGANICS
ULTRA NATURAL PET FOODS
VeRUS Pet Foods
VITA-MAX PET FOODS
AZMIRA PET FOODS
BREEDERS CHOICE
CALIFORNIA NATURAL
INNOVA CANINE
PINNACLE
ROYAL CANIN SIZE (natural blend variety)
NATURALLY CANADIAN
CANIDAE PET
KIRKLAND (KIBBLE)
Far More
NATURAL BLEND
The Bad
Well, they aren’t BAD, they just don’t quite make the A grade cut. No-one should look down on you for feeding this to Fido and Spot, its good, just not the best. Dogs will do well on these.
BENCH & FIELD
THE PET PANTRY
DIAMOND BRAND
RIDE DOG FOOD
EAGLE PACK SUPER PREMIUM PET FOOD
NATURE'S RECIPE
INOVATIVE VETERNARY DIETS
ROYAL CANIN SIZE
NUTRO
NUTRO MAX
PRECISE PET FOOD
PET FIRST
SIRIUS PET FOODS
PHD, PERFECT HEALTH DIETS
WYSONG PROFESSIONAL DIETS
ANF Specialties
ANMAR
ANNAMAET PET FOODS
APD (ADVANCED PET DIETS)
ARDEN GRANGE
NUTRA NUGGETS
OWEN & MANDEVILLE PET PRODUCTS, INC.
"PAW" TICULARS
PET CHEF EXPRESS
Burns Pet Nutrition
PROPAC DOG FOODS
CANUSA PET FOOD
SPORTSMAN'S CHOICE
LAMB AND RICE FORMULA
Pronature
STURDY
DOCK'S PET FOOD
DYNAMITE ONLINE DYNAMITE SPECIALTY PRODUCTS
K9 Gourmet
MARTINS FORMULA
NOBLE DOG FOOD
NUTRIENCE PET FOOD
NUTRIENCE
AUTHORITY PET FOODS CO
QUALITY CARE PLUS (QC+)
REGAL PET FOODS
BLACKWOOD CORPORATION
Euro Premium
MAX DOG FOOD
NATURAL LIFE PET PRODUCTS, INC.
PETGUARD
PREMIUM EDGE
Petsmart Premier
TECHNI-CAL
The Ugly
Don’t feed your dog these under any circumstances!
PURINA PRESCRIPTION DIETS (ok, so sometimes you have to, but I would beg and threaten my vet for an alternative)
Alpo
MERA DOG
Petco.
NATIONAL DOG FOODS
SPORTMIX
Tuffy's Dog Food
WALTHAM
WAYNE
SHUR-GAIN
Bil-Jac
SCIENCE DIET
EUKANUBA
LAND O' LAKES
EXCEL
MUENSTER MILLING CO.
EXPERT CONDITIONING
JOY PET FOODS
Purina Beneful
IAMS
Nutripet
BUCKEYE PET FOODS
PROFESSIONAL PET FOODS
EARL MAY PREMIUM BLEND
Prominence
CORNUCOPIA PET FOODS, INC.
PRO PLAN
VETERINARY MEDICAL DIETS Select Care and Medi-Cal
Jappy
FORZA10
LINDQUIST FOODS
FROMM
MASTERY
MY-CHAMPS MICROBIAL STYLE DOG FOOD
GEREEN ENTERPRISES
KUMPI DOG FOOD
HAPPY DOG
High Hopes
ECONOMY LINE
ECONOUF
EXCEL
1st. CHOICE
Big Red
Black Gold Pet Foods, Inc.
BLUE SEAL PREMIUM FEEDS. LTD.
BACK TO BASICS
BLUE RIBBON BRAND DOG FOOD
CYCLE ADULT
PUREBRED COMPANY
PURINA O.N.E. Brand
OL' ROY BRAND
WALTHAM
PEDIGREE
PURINA BRAND DOG FOODS
THOMPSON'S PET PASTA PRODUCTS
GRAVY TRAIN
KASCO
KIBBLES 'N BITS
DR. BALLARD ORIGINAL VETERINARIAN RECIPES
The Robert Abady Dog Food Company, Ltd
MAXXIMUM NUTRITION
But the good costs so much!
Burger King is cheap too you know…
You have to realize that the higher quality the food, the less fillers and more actual nutrition. The portion sizes are much smaller, the food lasts longer, and you are spending less time picking up landmines all over the backyard. Everybody wins.
To add to this, dont play the helpless "oh but I cant find it at Walmart or Petsmart" card. Use google, look up the webpages, more than likely they will have a store locater for their distributers. Good food is worth the 5 seconds youll have to search on google for.
Sources
http://www.healthypetnet.com/
http://www.canidae.com/
http://www.doberdogs.com
http://www.feedmypet.com
The Animal Protection Institute, "What's Really in Pet Food.", January 29, 2002.
Kerns, Nancy "Choose the Best Dry Food.", The Whole Dog Journal, February 2000, 13-17.
The Animal Protection Institute, "Selecting a Commercial Pet Food. ", October 25, 2001.

peeledback · 08-09-2005, 06:31 PM

whooohooo that's my sister!!

here are some pictures of my doggie, mesha

http://photobucket.com/albums/a163/peeledbacksa/

kazkirkpatrick · 08-09-2005, 06:36 PM

ok, well, put it in the picture section and introduce yourself like a normal person, no hijacking my doggy food thread!

peeledback · 08-09-2005, 06:47 PM

woof woof

(my sister is always demanding)

Mom2Many · 08-09-2005, 07:53 PM

What about Eagle Pack's holistic line? From what I understood Eagle Pack is a very good dog food, I am suprised it didn't make the cut. Can you explain why? My mom feeds Eagle Pack and I feed Canidae, I always thought I was buying the "not so perfect" food.

kerriebeth21 · 08-09-2005, 08:12 PM

Where did you get the lists? Some of those foods don't seem to be in the right spots! According to WDJ...some of the foods in the "BAD" are one of the top foods:

Back to Basics
Best In Show Power Food
California Natural Chicken & Rice
Canidae
Eagle Pack Holistic Select
Flint River LC Dog Food
Innova
Limited Diets Duck & Potato
Lifespan
MMillennia
Natural Balance Ultra Premium
Prime Life
PHD Canine Growth and Maintenace
Pinnacle
Wellness Super5Mix
Wysong Maintenance

richnrissa · 08-09-2005, 08:51 PM

Looks like you put some work into this! I love the disclaimer (crazy ideas, lol)

I was a little surprised to see where my food fit, because so many Dane breeders consider it better than gold itself, but after reading the beginning part, i do know why its there now.

Great work Kaz!

momtobella · 08-09-2005, 08:56 PM

Where would Blue Buffalo fit in? If you don't mind

WingedFoal · 08-09-2005, 09:09 PM

I was wondering about the Chicken Soup line....

kazkirkpatrick · 08-09-2005, 09:43 PM

Back to Basics: Corn as the 2nd ingredient, thats pretty bad.
Best In Show Power Food: Not stated
California Natural Chicken & Rice: In my good list!
Canidae:In my good list!
Eagle Pack Holistic Select: Yes, the holostic is excellent, but I didnt state holistic, I stated the premium which has both corn and nondescript "animal fat" instead of chicken fat, otherwise it could be beef tallow.
Flint River LC Dog Food: In my good list!
Innova In my good list!
Limited Diets Duck & Potato: Not stated
Lifespan: Not stated
MMillennia: Not stated
Natural Balance Ultra Premium: In my good list!
Prime Life: Not stated
PHD Canine Growth and Maintenace: Corn!
Pinnacle: In my good list!
Wellness Super5Mix Not stated
Wysong Maintenance: both corn and corn gluten

As I stated, bad doesnt mean bad

Quote:

Well, they aren’t BAD, they just don’t quite make the A grade cut. No-one should look down on you for feeding this to Fido and Spot, its good, just not the best. Dogs will do well on these.

I would feed my dogs these without a concern, I just chose something from the good list instead.

I didnt just "get the lists". I went through every single one of these foods and looked at their ingredients and based upon the guidelines, made a decision. Of course, they are up for arguement and my mind could be change as, and im sure you can understand, its easy to make a mistake after staring at dog food ingredients for 2 hours.

***Cassiepeia*** · 08-09-2005, 10:10 PM

Instead of asking "why isn't my food in this list" or "where does my food fit in", why don't we look at the ingredients of the food we have (which is one of the major reasons the good & bad ingredients are mentioned here...so you can find out for yourself)?

Then feel free to either ask questions if you have any, inform others of the benefits of your chosen food...or give good reasons why you disagree with it's placement or with any of the advice given so far.

Keeping in mind ALWAYS that this thread is not a debate topic and we are not in the debate forum.

It is here only as advice to help people make intelligent decisions regarding their dogs commercial diet.

Cass.

P.S. I add this only because I can envision people arguing over this topic when they don't need to or asking 'which list?' without even bothering to look at the ingredients first to see for themselves.
Hope I don't appear to grumpy over this.

GreenleafGreyhound · 08-10-2005, 01:47 AM

I think the list is pretty good, except I'm kind of lost as to why FROMM is grouped in the Ugly!
http://www.frommfamily.com/products_...gold_adult.asp

Quote:

Ingredients:
Chicken, Chicken Meal, Pearled Barley, Oat Flour, Duck, Corn, Fish Meal, Brewers Rice, Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid), Beet Pulp, Whole Egg, Cheese, Flaxseed, Brewers Dried Yeast, Lecithin, Monocalcium Phosphate, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, DL-Methionine, Chicory Root Extract, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Chondroitin Sulfate, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Bifidobacterium Longum, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Lactobacillus Salivarius, Enterococcous Faecium, Vitamin A, D3, E, B12 Supplements, Choline Chloride, Niacin, Pantothenic Acid, Ascorbic Acid, Riboflavin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Folic Acid, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite (Source of Vitamin K Activity), Biotin, Zinc Sulfate, Iron Carbonate, Manganous Oxide, Copper Oxide, Cobalt Carbonate, Calcium Iodate, Sorbic Acid, Sodium Selenite.

Other than that, I agree 99.9%! The .1% is due to Fromm

kazkirkpatrick · 08-10-2005, 04:08 AM

Thank You Cass! Thats why I didnt reply to the "where does my food go" questions! I spent two hours on the list so people could learn how to make decisions themselves, not to do it for them!

I also dont want to appear grumpy, I just want to educate!

Greenleaf, the Fromm ingredient list I have says
#1) Poultry by products
#2) ground corn
#3) Poultry by products meal

which looks pretty ugly to me! I didnt get it from the website, but a compilation of doggy food ingredients, so maybe thats where the problem lies! Your list does look good, mine looks darn ugly

kerriebeth21 · 08-10-2005, 05:43 AM

I don't mind the list. I was just wondering about those foods compared to the Whole Dog Journal list of the best foods.

The foods I use are the tops foods anyhow...Canidae and Innova.

Except for my pom who eats Authority Harvest Baked... because we used to feed her Innova and she would throw up after eating it...this went on for 6 months before we switched her to something lower grade.

The reason I pick these two foods is because NOT only do they use awesome ingredients...their meat sources are not only human grade, but also free of hormones, antibiotics and pesticides, as well as chemical preservatives such as BHA, BHT and ethoxyquin.

08-09-2005, 06:04 PM	#1 (permalink)
kazkirkpatrick Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 464 Rep Power: 87	The Dogs Dinner: All You Wanted to Know About Food For Fido PHP Code: Disclaimer This article is the educated opinions and thoughts of Karen Kirkpatrick, and may not actually be an accurate representation of those either, since she lacks proofreading skills. Global Paw is in no way responsible for inaccurate content or crazy ideas. If you have a problem with anything stated here, please let it be known in a calm and orderly fashion.Please also remember this is for your average dog, not canines with specials needs and diets. Im going to make this a concise and easy reference for your reading pleasure. Ingredients which automatically rule out a food. If these are anywhere in the ingredients list, put it down and look for something else. A non-meat first ingredient is an automatic no go. Meat by-products: By-products can vary ... they can consist of the internal parts of animals such as necks, heads, undeveloped eggs, feet, intestines, lungs, spleen and liver. Although by-products are used by many manufacturers, are these ingredients you would knowingly feed your pet? Corn: Corn products are difficult for dogs to digest. Food Fragments: Lower cost by-products of another food manufacturing process. Examples include wheat bran and brewer's rice (a waste product of the alcohol industry). Meat and bone meal: "Meat and bone meal" and "beef and bone meal" are inexpensive sources of animal protein. The protein in a meal containing a large amount of bone may be poorly digestible and fail to provide adequate nutrition. Animal Fat: Animal fat is a "generic" fat source that is most often made up of rendered animal fat, restaurant grease, or other oils too rancid or deemed inedible for humans. Look for a named fat source, such as poultry or chicken fat, that is naturally preserved. Chemical Preservatives: Chemical preservatives include butylated hydroxyanisole (BHA), butylated hydroxytoluene (BHT), propyl gallate, propylene glycol (also used as a less-toxic version of automotive antifreeze), and ethoxyquin. BHA, BHT, and ethoxyquin are potentially cancer-causing agents. The long term build-up of these chemicals (that may be eaten every day for the life of your pet!) have not been thouroughly studied and may ultimately be harmful. Sweeteners: Sweeteners such as corn syrup, sugar, and cane mallases are usually added to lower quality foods to increase their appeal. Dietary sugars can aggrevate health problems, including diabetes. Beef Tallow A low quality fat product. SugarThis is not an ingredient most people would expect to find in dog food, but many foods do, in fact, contain sugar, especially the semi-moist brands. In fact, some semi-moist foods contain as much as 15% sugar. The sugar adds palatability and moisture, and aids in bacterial contamination prevention. Dogs do not need this amount of sugar, which can stress the pancreas and adrenal glands, causing diabetes. Completely devoid of protein, vitamins and minerals, sugar is, literally, empty calories. Food colorings These still commonly used in pet foods today despite the fact that they are not necessary and some have been linked to medical problems Stuff to look for Rice A combination of brown and white rice. The white rice for digestibility and the brown for its added nutritional value. A diet product that is 100% brown rice can be somewhat hard for some animals to digest. Rice is good, corn is not. Meat vs Meal Pet food labels found in grocery and mass marketers like to use Chicken or Lamb to represent real meat. – (Contains 70% moisture). This leads you the consumer to believe that their product is meat based. Chicken or lamb meats are heavier than grains prior to cooking. The moisture contained in the meats (70%) is reduced by 2/3rds after the cooking process, leaving the total formula as a grain base food after processing. Therefore, pound for pound, meal is better than meat as its basically a concentrated form of meat, less water, more protein! Wheat Wheat is ok, as long as its not in the top 3 ingredients Other Ingredients and what they are for Chicken Fat (Omega 6) Essential fatty acids, maintains moisture in skin cells and is easily digested. Fish Meal (Omega 3) Essential fatty acids, controls skin inflammation, helps relieve itching & hot spots. Flax Seed (Omega 3) Essential fatty acids, helps reduce allergy problems caused from flea bites and gives the coat a shiny luster. Sunflower Oil (Omega 6) Essential fatty acids, prevents scruffy, dry coat and maintains moisture in skin cells. Lecithin Helps emulsify cholesterol and aids in the digestion and absorption of fats that feed the coat. Linoleic Acid (Omega 6) Essential fatty acids, helps to prevent moisture loss from cells that cause flaky, dry skin and coat. Sage Strengthens the mind and concentrating abilities; it aids in healing skin sores and skin eruptions and removing dandruff. It has been mostly employed in disordered states of the digestion and for its savory usage. Vitamin E (mixed tocopherols) Nourishes and heals the skin. Biotin Aids in the growth and health of hair. Cranberry Meal Prevents the spread of bacterial infections in kidneys and the urinary tract. Helps prevent Cystitis. Rosemary Is a stimulant of the circulatory system; to treat bad breath; stimulates the hair bulbs to new growth. Employed for its savory usage. Apple Meal Rich in soluble fiber, lowers blood cholesterol levels and normalizes blood sugar. Amaranth Vitamin packed herb, calms the stomach, reduces tissue swelling, removes worms and parasites from the digestive tract. Brewers Yeast (Nutritional Yeast) A rich source of the B vitamins, contains 16 amino acids, 14 minerals and 17 vitamins. Protects, binds and rids from mycotoxins, which cause liver and organ damage.. Yucca Used for its reduction of both breath and stool odor ! A cleansing agent. Used by the Indians of the southwest for skin disorders, skin eruptions and helps avoid inflammation.. Eggs An excellent source of protein and contains all the essential Amino Acids.. Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Streptococcus Faecium fermentation extracts Probiotics. Better digestion and absorption of nutrients, they act to exclude and prevent harmful bacteria from colonizing and creating digestive upsets, helps prevent sickness and stress.. Yeast Culture All natural live yeast culture, it acts to stimulate microbial and enzyme populations in the animals digestive system. Live yeast cultures plus dried fermentation solubles.. COPPER AND IRON A deficiency of iron causes nutritional anemia. A small amount of copper will improve utilization of iron.. Beet Pulp (Sugar) CONTROVERSIAL • AAFCO - Beet Pulp is the dried residue from sugar beets which has been cleaned and extracted in the process of manufacturing sugar. • Natura uses it because - "it as a good source of fiber and a stool hardener". However, it is not found in their Innova or California Natural products. • Solid Gold doesn't use it because they believe it is: "Added to pet food to slow down the transition of rancid animal fats (think toxic waste). This holds the waste in. Kidneys and liver work overtime. Dogs may chew their lower backs. Feet may swell, so the dogs lick their feet. Sugar is a contributing factor to ear infections and cataracts". Beet pulp is rather controversial, many think that it is an excellent additive and source of fiber and that all sugar has been completely extracted before being added as a pet food ingredients. If this is the only "problem" ingredient in a kibble, other factors will have to help you decide. Brewers Rice • AAFCO - Brewer's Rice is the small milled fragments of rice kernels that have been separated from the larger kernels of milled rice. • Natura will not use it because they state it is a "lower quality rice product that is missing many of the nutrients found in Ground Rice and Ground Brown Rice." Solid Gold says that is the sweepings from the floor of the mill. Rice Bran • AAFCO - Rice Bran is the outer coating of the rice kernel, with little or none of the starchy part of the germ. • Natura and Solid Gold reject it because it is "an inexpensive source of fiber that is considered a filler ingredient", i.e. devoid of nutrient value. Sorghum • AAFCO - Sorghum is the ground grain of the sorghum plant. • Natura alleges that although sorghum is good source of carbohydrates, it is low in digestibility. Side Note Condemned parts and animals rejected for human consumption can be rerouted into commercial pet foods. These condemned parts are referred to as the 4 D's: dead, dying, diseased or decayed. We believe this is one of the most despicable practices in the pet food manufacturing industry. Some manufacturers have a lower standard regarding the quality of ingredients they use to make pet food. A recent example of this practice is the discovery of Pentobarbital in major pet foods, including supermarket brands. Pentobarbital is a chemical used to euthanize animals. Many holistic veterinarians feel that daily ingestion of pentobarbital can be harmful. Many manufacturers cut costs by using the cheapest ingredients available at the time a food is made. Since costs rise and fall, some manufacturers will vary ingredients from batch to batch .. resulting in changed nutrient values for each batch and possible digestive illness. Some manufacturers have lower standards regarding the freshness of ingredients they use to make pet food. You can not determine the freshness of ingredients by reading a label; you must trust the pet food manufacturer. Now I know you are still asking “is this food good”, so here is the basic lists with the research done for you (tsk tsk!) The Good When you want the best money can buy…. ADVANCE BALANCE DIET The Food ADVANTAGE CANINE CAVIAR PET FOODS Cripple Creek Kennels Natural Balance FLINT RIVER RANCH HAPPY PAWS HOLISTIC BLEND SOLID GOLD LIFE'S ABUNDANCE TENDER LOVING CARE NATURE'S FINEST MATRIX OLD MOTHER HUBBARD Sammy Snacks TIMBERWOLF ORGANICS ULTRA NATURAL PET FOODS VeRUS Pet Foods VITA-MAX PET FOODS AZMIRA PET FOODS BREEDERS CHOICE CALIFORNIA NATURAL INNOVA CANINE PINNACLE ROYAL CANIN SIZE (natural blend variety) NATURALLY CANADIAN CANIDAE PET KIRKLAND (KIBBLE) Far More NATURAL BLEND The Bad Well, they aren’t BAD, they just don’t quite make the A grade cut. No-one should look down on you for feeding this to Fido and Spot, its good, just not the best. Dogs will do well on these. BENCH & FIELD THE PET PANTRY DIAMOND BRAND RIDE DOG FOOD EAGLE PACK SUPER PREMIUM PET FOOD NATURE'S RECIPE INOVATIVE VETERNARY DIETS ROYAL CANIN SIZE NUTRO NUTRO MAX PRECISE PET FOOD PET FIRST SIRIUS PET FOODS PHD, PERFECT HEALTH DIETS WYSONG PROFESSIONAL DIETS ANF Specialties ANMAR ANNAMAET PET FOODS APD (ADVANCED PET DIETS) ARDEN GRANGE NUTRA NUGGETS OWEN & MANDEVILLE PET PRODUCTS, INC. "PAW" TICULARS PET CHEF EXPRESS Burns Pet Nutrition PROPAC DOG FOODS CANUSA PET FOOD SPORTSMAN'S CHOICE LAMB AND RICE FORMULA Pronature STURDY DOCK'S PET FOOD DYNAMITE ONLINE DYNAMITE SPECIALTY PRODUCTS K9 Gourmet MARTINS FORMULA NOBLE DOG FOOD NUTRIENCE PET FOOD NUTRIENCE AUTHORITY PET FOODS CO QUALITY CARE PLUS (QC+) REGAL PET FOODS BLACKWOOD CORPORATION Euro Premium MAX DOG FOOD NATURAL LIFE PET PRODUCTS, INC. PETGUARD PREMIUM EDGE Petsmart Premier TECHNI-CAL The Ugly Don’t feed your dog these under any circumstances! PURINA PRESCRIPTION DIETS (ok, so sometimes you have to, but I would beg and threaten my vet for an alternative) Alpo MERA DOG Petco. NATIONAL DOG FOODS SPORTMIX Tuffy's Dog Food WALTHAM WAYNE SHUR-GAIN Bil-Jac SCIENCE DIET EUKANUBA LAND O' LAKES EXCEL MUENSTER MILLING CO. EXPERT CONDITIONING JOY PET FOODS Purina Beneful IAMS Nutripet BUCKEYE PET FOODS PROFESSIONAL PET FOODS EARL MAY PREMIUM BLEND Prominence CORNUCOPIA PET FOODS, INC. PRO PLAN VETERINARY MEDICAL DIETS Select Care and Medi-Cal Jappy FORZA10 LINDQUIST FOODS FROMM MASTERY MY-CHAMPS MICROBIAL STYLE DOG FOOD GEREEN ENTERPRISES KUMPI DOG FOOD HAPPY DOG High Hopes ECONOMY LINE ECONOUF EXCEL 1st. CHOICE Big Red Black Gold Pet Foods, Inc. BLUE SEAL PREMIUM FEEDS. LTD. BACK TO BASICS BLUE RIBBON BRAND DOG FOOD CYCLE ADULT PUREBRED COMPANY PURINA O.N.E. Brand OL' ROY BRAND WALTHAM PEDIGREE PURINA BRAND DOG FOODS THOMPSON'S PET PASTA PRODUCTS GRAVY TRAIN KASCO KIBBLES 'N BITS DR. BALLARD ORIGINAL VETERINARIAN RECIPES The Robert Abady Dog Food Company, Ltd MAXXIMUM NUTRITION But the good costs so much! Burger King is cheap too you know… You have to realize that the higher quality the food, the less fillers and more actual nutrition. The portion sizes are much smaller, the food lasts longer, and you are spending less time picking up landmines all over the backyard. Everybody wins. To add to this, dont play the helpless "oh but I cant find it at Walmart or Petsmart" card. Use google, look up the webpages, more than likely they will have a store locater for their distributers. Good food is worth the 5 seconds youll have to search on google for. Sources http://www.healthypetnet.com/ http://www.canidae.com/ http://www.doberdogs.com http://www.feedmypet.com The Animal Protection Institute, "What's Really in Pet Food.", January 29, 2002. Kerns, Nancy "Choose the Best Dry Food.", The Whole Dog Journal, February 2000, 13-17. The Animal Protection Institute, "Selecting a Commercial Pet Food. ", October 25, 2001.
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08-09-2005, 06:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
peeledback Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	whooohooo that's my sister!! here are some pictures of my doggie, mesha http://photobucket.com/albums/a163/peeledbacksa/
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08-09-2005, 06:36 PM	#3 (permalink)
kazkirkpatrick Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 464 Rep Power: 87	ok, well, put it in the picture section and introduce yourself like a normal person, no hijacking my doggy food thread!
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08-09-2005, 06:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
peeledback Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	woof woof (my sister is always demanding)
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08-09-2005, 07:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
Mom2Many Owned by 1 GSD & 1 APBT Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Untangling Gunnar's Leash Posts: 873 Rep Power: 86	What about Eagle Pack's holistic line? From what I understood Eagle Pack is a very good dog food, I am suprised it didn't make the cut. Can you explain why? My mom feeds Eagle Pack and I feed Canidae, I always thought I was buying the "not so perfect" food.
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08-09-2005, 08:12 PM	#6 (permalink)
kerriebeth21 New Ridgeback Mom! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 422 Rep Power: 80	Where did you get the lists? Some of those foods don't seem to be in the right spots! According to WDJ...some of the foods in the "BAD" are one of the top foods: Back to Basics Best In Show Power Food California Natural Chicken & Rice Canidae Eagle Pack Holistic Select Flint River LC Dog Food Innova Limited Diets Duck & Potato Lifespan MMillennia Natural Balance Ultra Premium Prime Life PHD Canine Growth and Maintenace Pinnacle Wellness Super5Mix Wysong Maintenance
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08-09-2005, 08:51 PM	#7 (permalink)
richnrissa Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: WA Posts: 862 Rep Power: 78	Looks like you put some work into this! I love the disclaimer (crazy ideas, lol) I was a little surprised to see where my food fit, because so many Dane breeders consider it better than gold itself, but after reading the beginning part, i do know why its there now. Great work Kaz!
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08-09-2005, 08:56 PM	#8 (permalink)
momtobella Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 94 Rep Power: 0	Where would Blue Buffalo fit in? If you don't mind
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08-09-2005, 09:09 PM	#9 (permalink)
WingedFoal Bostons Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham, AL, USA Posts: 1,035 Rep Power: 90	I was wondering about the Chicken Soup line....
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08-09-2005, 10:10 PM	#11 (permalink)
*Cassiepeia* Chihuahua Mum Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: NSW, Australia Posts: 8,174 Blog Entries: 9 Rep Power: 275	Instead of asking "why isn't my food in this list" or "where does my food fit in", why don't we look at the ingredients of the food we have (which is one of the major reasons the good & bad ingredients are mentioned here...so you can find out for yourself)? Then feel free to either ask questions if you have any, inform others of the benefits of your chosen food...or give good reasons why you disagree with it's placement or with any of the advice given so far. Keeping in mind ALWAYS that this thread is not a debate topic and we are not in the debate forum. It is here only as advice to help people make intelligent decisions regarding their dogs commercial diet. Cass. P.S. I add this only because I can envision people arguing over this topic when they don't need to or asking 'which list?' without even bothering to look at the ingredients first to see for themselves. Hope I don't appear to grumpy over this.
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08-10-2005, 04:08 AM	#13 (permalink)
kazkirkpatrick Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 464 Rep Power: 87	Thank You Cass! Thats why I didnt reply to the "where does my food go" questions! I spent two hours on the list so people could learn how to make decisions themselves, not to do it for them! I also dont want to appear grumpy, I just want to educate! Greenleaf, the Fromm ingredient list I have says #1) Poultry by products #2) ground corn #3) Poultry by products meal which looks pretty ugly to me! I didnt get it from the website, but a compilation of doggy food ingredients, so maybe thats where the problem lies! Your list does look good, mine looks darn ugly
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08-10-2005, 05:43 AM	#14 (permalink)
kerriebeth21 New Ridgeback Mom! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 422 Rep Power: 80	I don't mind the list. I was just wondering about those foods compared to the Whole Dog Journal list of the best foods. The foods I use are the tops foods anyhow...Canidae and Innova. Except for my pom who eats Authority Harvest Baked... because we used to feed her Innova and she would throw up after eating it...this went on for 6 months before we switched her to something lower grade. The reason I pick these two foods is because NOT only do they use awesome ingredients...their meat sources are not only human grade, but also free of hormones, antibiotics and pesticides, as well as chemical preservatives such as BHA, BHT and ethoxyquin.
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