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Yes, in this thread and in other threads I've noticed when questions are asked and people are trying their best to answer your questions, it would be nice to be a little appreciative even if you're not understanding something or if it's not hitting right on the mark of what you're trying to get at. If you don't feel solid or comfortable about the answers you're given, it's always, always best to ask a veterinarian about health issues or a prof. trainer for training or behavior questions. When you're asking for something, it is a favor that someone tries to help you, so a little less demanding would be nice. Anyhow, it sounds like you know all about the heat business anyhow. But if you had read Quincy's article that he took his time to look for online (something anyone can do) and post for you, you might learn even more and find the answer to your question.
Your dogs definitely look larger and older than what you had stated. I'm not an amatuer with dogs.
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