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[trident]

I see all of your points and that are all good one, And I know I am new to this but, I feel that it really is not about mix or not , about champ or worker.I "feel" that it is about money.who is to say if a mix is better than a champ? If he gets a bill of clean health whats the issue? over popluttion? Sorry but I feel THIS is bull. If you breed a dog and it contributes to that breed then good,if it cant then yes "DO NOT BREED IT"

[Crossfire Bulldogs]

Originally Posted by trident

I see all of your points and that are all good one, And I know I am new to this but, I feel that it really is not about mix or not , about champ or worker.I "feel" that it is about money.who is to say if a mix is better than a champ? If he gets a bill of clean health whats the issue? over popluttion? Sorry but I feel THIS is bull. If you breed a dog and it contributes to that breed then good,if it cant then yes "DO NOT BREED IT"

Two questions for you....what money and you don't feel there is an overpopulation problem? Just trying to understand where your coming from here.

[trident]

I AM SORRY I SPOKE WHEN I SHOULD BE READING MORE. It just that I hear all of this no breeding deal. I dont think that just because you have a dog and there is no history on him that you should not breed him. I mean if you have done all the testing and shots and all that good jazz. and the info come back good he or she is healthy why people dont want you to breed them.Thats why I said its about the money.I know that some breeders are lucky to make a profit but some do good. And it seems that they (the ones that do good) are the ones that complain the most.I maybe wrong here and I hope I am.But thats how I FEEL.SO it I made any one up set I am sorry but that "MY THOUGHTS"

[Crossfire Bulldogs]

Thats why I said its about the money.I know that some breeders are lucky to make a profit but some do good. And it seems that they (the ones that do good) are the ones that complain the most.

But heres the thing, the people your talking about, "the ones that do good" aren't the folks doing the testing, they aren't the reputable breeders nor are they the ones making noise on the issue of breeding dogs improperly. They are the ones that aren't breeding properly, the ones we call puppy millers and backyard breeders. These folks aren't making a peep and you know why? Because their breeding dogs for profit.

I dont think that just because you have a dog and there is no history on him that you should not breed him. I mean if you have done all the testing and shots and all that good jazz.

Check out some of the latest posts here and then tell me if you feel the same way after reading them. http://www.globalpaw.com/thread12150.html

[trident]

NO ARGUEMENT OUT OF ME THANKS

[Sayuri]

The other thing I'd like to add is that let's say you (and here I mean the general "you," not you personally) do all the testing on that one dog, and he comes out fine and clear - but you don't know his background. Well, not knowing what kind of dogs his sire and dam, grandsire and granddam, and littermates were, and what kind of traits they threw could be quite risky. Maybe there's a genetic disorder that wasn't *expressed* in this individual dog, but it's going to be passed down to his puppies. Maybe this was an issue you would have known about if you'd known anything about the lines you were working with.

[AlaskanKristen]

Originally Posted by shandoggy1

Can you explain to me Alaskankristen why they are crossbreeding for sled pullers? What ever happened to the husky? isn't that there purpose? I guess you could say that I own an alaskan husky, he is a cross between a shepard and a husky, he wasn't wanted because his ears showed no signs of being erect if you can believe that, some people. I love mixed breeds, I own one, as well as a purebred ACD who was bred to heard cattle, I am currently looking for some herding trials in my area to get into to with him.

*A life is a life no matter whether its a purebred or dog of mixed heritage.*
I agree with you Crossfire, a wet nose is a wet nose!

Was he bred for working? Were his parents working sled dogs? Grandparents? Great grandparents? Was he bred to be a working dog? If so, whose lines is he out of? What type of mushing was he bred for?
Can you answer these questions? If not, you do not have an Alaskan husky. A Sibe mix is NOT an Alaskan any more than a Golden retriever is a yellow Lab.

Alaskans have been traditionally bred for centuries. They descend from original village dogs, and over time mushers added in different breeds for different reasons. Southern dogs were crossbred to obtain large dogs for hauling loads in the gold rush. In the 1900s when racing started becoming an organized sport with the All Alaska Sweepstakes, mushers started breeding in other breeds to produce faster dogs. At the time, Siberians were good racing dogs. As time progressed, the Siberian (which I guess you mean by "husky", unless you mean the McKenzie River husky, Eskimo husky, etc. etc.) started being bred more for looks than for running ability. While they were judged by how pretty they were, Alaskans were continually bred to be excellent sled dogs. Now we have sprint dogs that can average 30 mph and distance dogs that can go a thousand miles at 10 mph. We have working Alaskans (like mine) that can help with chores and running traplines.
Genetic diversity can be good. Instead of having a closed gene pool, they have an open and varied one to produce the best sled dog possible. Any dog that can produce better sled dogs is bred in whether he's a shepherd, a bird dog, a Siberian, or a dog whose parents is anyone's guess.

[Crossfire Bulldogs]

Was he bred for working? Were his parents working sled dogs? Grandparents? Great grandparents? Was he bred to be a working dog? If so, whose lines is he out of? What type of mushing was he bred for?
Can you answer these questions? If not, you do not have an Alaskan husky. A Sibe mix is NOT an Alaskan any more than a Golden retriever is a yellow Lab.

Asking questions is one thing but I don't think there is any reason to be rude and I'd appreciate it if you would refrain from doing so. If you weren't attempting to be then maybe I've misunderstood by the way you've phrased it.

[AlaskanKristen]

I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to be. I'll try to word them more carefully in the future so that I am not misunderstood.

[Crossfire Bulldogs]

Thank you Kristen. With the internet it's so hard sometimes to tell, since there isn't any voice inflection of facial expression with type it can be difficult at best to guess sometimes. Thanks again

[shandoggy1]

Originally Posted by Crossfire Bulldogs

Thank you Kristen. With the internet it's so hard sometimes to tell, since there isn't any voice inflection of facial expression with type it can be difficult at best to guess sometimes. Thanks again

Yeah thanks , I was only inquiring about why they are crossing breeds for sled dogs because I was genuinely interested in it. I was told by a woman who is into mushing that my mixed breed looks like an alaskan husky. GSD, siberian husky and who knows what else is in there. Oh well, I didn't think you would get so upset on an innocent question . I only wanted to be more educated on the alaskan huskys because of what I have been told by other dog enthusiasts. To me the alaskan husky looks like a mutt from the pound but can pull one heck of a sled because of it's strong working lines!

[Joy van Veen]

Originally Posted by Rip's Girl

Actually, many purebreds still do what they were originally bred to. I see Sporting dogs out in the field, I see Border Collies herding sheep, Doberman Pinschers protecting their territory.. etc. those dogs are serving a purpose.
Pets serve a purpose too, they are our friends and companions.However, like Cass said, there is no need for more companions and especially not unscrupulously bred ones.
I would love to hear why some Doodle breeders think that their dogs are the superior companion when compared to purebreds similar to them. Can a Golden Retriever not make as good of a companion as a Goldendoodle? What about Standard Poodles, for those who say that their mixed breeds don't shed? What was so wrong with the Standard Poodle, that people needed to go and cross it with other breeds?
I've thought about the doodle breeders' intentions many times and the only thing that comes back to me is MONEY. These greeders are just playing the public's desire to have what's supposedly 'rare' and 'unique' to their advantage, and making money from it.

IMHO, if there is no breed out there that would fit into your household and do well with your lifestyle, you probably shouldn't own a dog.

I am a guide dog trainer and rarely find a mix breed that can handle the job's criteria. I agree with Rip's Girl when she said:
"Actually, many purebreds still do what they were originally bred to"

And though many people may be unaware that their breed is still being used in useful work, that doesn't make their work less useful. For example. Pit bulls (APBTs) are used in cattle herding and as part of a pack for hunting such animals as mountain lions along with other breeds. This hunting is often for the purpose of radio collaring mountain lions. Lion packs often include coon hounds, catahoulas, an Airedale terrier, and one or more pit bulls.

Though I see no need for designer pet dogs, there is sometimes a need for a new breed. Labradoodles, which are not a simple cross of labradors and poodle, were designed by a guide dog organisation in Australia to produce the guide dog ability with a hypoallergenic coat. there were many back crosses needed, more of labradors than poodles, before they had a consistantly breeding type that met their needs. Now many are selling crosses of the two foundation breeds and calling them labradoodles.

I think if there is a need for a job that no existing dog breed fits, that is a good reason to design a new breed. But today, that is rarely the case.

[Houndies]

Greyhounds seem mainly to be bred for the racing industry these days, not the reason why they were originally bred although they were bred for speed, its just being misused in that industry in my opinion. In fact, I think their original purpose, which is hunting, is actually illegal now. I know you are not allowed to take greyhounds or Lurchers out into the fields for coursing, and you can be prosecuted.