Choke Chain Collar and Retractable Leash

Butters_Mom · 11-12-2004, 08:53 PM

Hi,
friends of mine have an 85 pound Rottie mix that they use a chock chain and retractable leash on. Rascal pulls like crazy when either of them walk him, and in my opinion using the extendable leash even at only a 3 foot length contributes to Rascal's pulling.

I remember seeing the thread on the pincher collars and extendable leashes not a good idea. Does the same go for the choke collars??

Thanks
Jaye

Crossfire Bulldogs · 11-12-2004, 09:10 PM

Just my opinion here but I have no use for a retractable leash with any breed of dog. These actually teach dogs to be the leader. Regardless of how long the leash is, once your dog reaches the end, he will pull you. Leaders lead! You might wear the pants at home, but on walks the dog will be your boss.

I really don't care for choke chains either when training as the name says it all and there is no limit to how far in the chain can go which can lead to injury. What ever happened to the good old days of a flat buckle collar, time and patience in training? jmo

GSD · 11-13-2004, 06:11 AM

I use a retractable when walking all the time, I think they're great, BUT, my dog will heal on command down from a distance even when off leash and is under control. If your able to use one they're fine, but in this case, if they need a choke chain (IMO a bad idea, i'd much rather us a prong if needed) they have no use for a retractable leash, it should walked in the yard with a regular leash, and the owner can make tons of abrupt right hand turns and teach the dog to stay with them.

DarknessDivine · 11-13-2004, 07:41 AM

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Choke Chain Collar and Retractable Leash

That is a NO NO! One or the other, please but not the 2 together...

Ritz459 · 11-13-2004, 07:59 AM

I use a choke chain with Blackie and a retractible leash. (The reason for the choke chian is he can slip out of any other collar man has ever made. He's even slipped out of the CC once!) I always make sure though, that it isn't to tight on him (It doesn't get to tight. I know of a dog who has a buckle collar that is tighter than Blackie's CC.) and he knows when I say, "Slow down" that he is getting to the end of his leash and needs to slow down or he'll be clothslined. If he feels it is to tight, he will shake his head to loosen it up. He also behaves pretty well on the retractible leash and doesn't pull.

Crossfire Bulldogs · 11-13-2004, 09:29 AM

Even with a dog that doesn't pull the use of both the retractable leash and a choke chain can cause spinal injuries and injuries to the trachea. It only takes one pull or tug the wrong direction for this to happen.

Even the most well behaved of dogs can have a moment of forgetting their on lead when a squirrel or something else runs across their path. Use of one or the other but not both is a better bet. I'm still not a fan of either but can see where it may be of use to others.

Smooshie · 11-13-2004, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ritz459

I use a choke chain with Blackie and a retractible leash. (The reason for the choke chian is he can slip out of any other collar man has ever made. He's even slipped out of the CC once!) I always make sure though, that it isn't to tight on him (It doesn't get to tight. I know of a dog who has a buckle collar that is tighter than Blackie's CC.) and he knows when I say, "Slow down" that he is getting to the end of his leash and needs to slow down or he'll be clothslined. If he feels it is to tight, he will shake his head to loosen it up. He also behaves pretty well on the retractible leash and doesn't pull.

Ritz...have you tried using a martingale collar on him? They are great for dogs that slip their collars, and they only tighten so far, so they aren't as harsh as a choke chain. I use one on Loki and it works like a charm

***Carrie*** · 11-13-2004, 11:09 AM

I agree with Crossfire. Training with motivational methods will teach your dog to walk nicely and to not try to slip out of his collar.

Ritz459 · 11-13-2004, 12:28 PM

I've never heard of a martingale collar before....hmmm....sounds like it might work....guess we'll have to make a trip into Petsmart! lol
I don't trian him using force. I prefer the postitive trianing. But when we had Blackie as a pup, he was hardly ever on leash. When he was on leash, he either slipped his collar or chewed on the leash and eventually broke it. We never had a big need for him to be on leash either so we didn't really bother with it. It wasn't untill he was around 6 that I was able to get him used to a leash. So I guess slipping a collar is just a bad habit that he has?
Anyways, I guess I will see if I can find a martingale collar for him. And then just save the CC for walks when he isn't on a retractible leash. It is pretty nifty to have when he sees our neighbors Australian Shepherds. (He hates them and they hate him. NOT a good combonation.)
I have a question though. Would a pinch/prong collar work better than a CC for controlling him when he sees the Aussies mentioned above? He can out muscle me and my mom when we walk him if he really wants too, and he plays 'deaf dog' if he sees something (like the Aussies) that REALLY interests him.
One more question: what is the diff. between a Prong and a Pinch collar?

***Carrie*** · 11-13-2004, 01:07 PM

http://www.flyingdogpress.com/headhalters.html

As you continue down this article, you'll see the point of it. LOL. It may seem out of context to you at first.

DarknessDivine · 11-13-2004, 01:31 PM

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I have a question though. Would a pinch/prong collar work better than a CC for controlling him when he sees the Aussies mentioned above?

I still wouldn't use on w/a retactable though

gaddylovesdogs · 11-13-2004, 03:16 PM

Choke chains (training collars) and retractables do not mix.

flyndog · 11-13-2004, 03:50 PM

I don't like them, but retractable leashes are fine IF your dog is already trained. They are not meant for training. If you can hold a retractable leash, dispense treats, and/or click, and control your dog all at the same time, then you can use one!

Unless a trainer has shown you the proper way to correct your dog with a slip collar, you shouldn't use one because of the previously mentioned potential damage to the dog. Same goes for any leash correction with any collar. Have somebody show you the right way to do it.

The martingale is a limited slip collar.

Kit

GreenleafGreyhound · 11-13-2004, 06:07 PM

ROTFL!!! I've been hanging out in Sighthound World for waaay too long LOL.
This is what I think of when you say slip collar:
http://www.2houndsdesign.com/leather.htm
LOL. I use a slip collar/leash combo for Giselle when we walk. I also know a person who uses a Slip collar (like above) as a regular collar for her Borzoi because the martingale never worked for him.
That's why I was kind of confused over this

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Unless a trainer has shown you the proper way to correct your dog with a slip collar, you shouldn't use one because of the previously mentioned potential damage to the dog.

Martingales: aka Human Choke Collar. Martingales are (like flyndog has already explained) limited slip collars. My memory is fuzzy, but I think Martingales are made with two loops. One for the neck, and one for tightening/release action. When the choke action is needed, the loop that is attached to the leash will restrain the dog but not choke or gag him. It is called limited because the loop attached to the leash will determine how tight you can pull it.

sambo · 11-14-2004, 05:27 AM

I have a rotty who is very strong and used to walk me while on walks so i purchased a halti collar and it is great u can use your normal lead with it as u can attach it with a collar link that u buy for it also. there is a site that tells u all u need to know about it i will add it in next post

11-12-2004, 08:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
Butters_Mom Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 28 Rep Power: 75	Choke Chain Collar and Retractable Leash Hi, friends of mine have an 85 pound Rottie mix that they use a chock chain and retractable leash on. Rascal pulls like crazy when either of them walk him, and in my opinion using the extendable leash even at only a 3 foot length contributes to Rascal's pulling. I remember seeing the thread on the pincher collars and extendable leashes not a good idea. Does the same go for the choke collars?? Thanks Jaye
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11-12-2004, 09:10 PM	#2 (permalink)
Crossfire Bulldogs Sourmug Mom Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Snuggled Between The Snorts & Snores. Posts: 7,844 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 285	Just my opinion here but I have no use for a retractable leash with any breed of dog. These actually teach dogs to be the leader. Regardless of how long the leash is, once your dog reaches the end, he will pull you. Leaders lead! You might wear the pants at home, but on walks the dog will be your boss. I really don't care for choke chains either when training as the name says it all and there is no limit to how far in the chain can go which can lead to injury. What ever happened to the good old days of a flat buckle collar, time and patience in training? jmo
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11-13-2004, 07:59 AM	#5 (permalink)
Ritz459 "Nothing is ever easy" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 5,722 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 235	I use a choke chain with Blackie and a retractible leash. (The reason for the choke chian is he can slip out of any other collar man has ever made. He's even slipped out of the CC once!) I always make sure though, that it isn't to tight on him (It doesn't get to tight. I know of a dog who has a buckle collar that is tighter than Blackie's CC.) and he knows when I say, "Slow down" that he is getting to the end of his leash and needs to slow down or he'll be clothslined. If he feels it is to tight, he will shake his head to loosen it up. He also behaves pretty well on the retractible leash and doesn't pull.
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11-13-2004, 09:29 AM	#6 (permalink)
Crossfire Bulldogs Sourmug Mom Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Snuggled Between The Snorts & Snores. Posts: 7,844 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 285	Even with a dog that doesn't pull the use of both the retractable leash and a choke chain can cause spinal injuries and injuries to the trachea. It only takes one pull or tug the wrong direction for this to happen. Even the most well behaved of dogs can have a moment of forgetting their on lead when a squirrel or something else runs across their path. Use of one or the other but not both is a better bet. I'm still not a fan of either but can see where it may be of use to others.
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11-13-2004, 12:28 PM	#9 (permalink)
Ritz459 "Nothing is ever easy" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 5,722 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 235	I've never heard of a martingale collar before....hmmm....sounds like it might work....guess we'll have to make a trip into Petsmart! lol I don't trian him using force. I prefer the postitive trianing. But when we had Blackie as a pup, he was hardly ever on leash. When he was on leash, he either slipped his collar or chewed on the leash and eventually broke it. We never had a big need for him to be on leash either so we didn't really bother with it. It wasn't untill he was around 6 that I was able to get him used to a leash. So I guess slipping a collar is just a bad habit that he has? Anyways, I guess I will see if I can find a martingale collar for him. And then just save the CC for walks when he isn't on a retractible leash. It is pretty nifty to have when he sees our neighbors Australian Shepherds. (He hates them and they hate him. NOT a good combonation.) I have a question though. Would a pinch/prong collar work better than a CC for controlling him when he sees the Aussies mentioned above? He can out muscle me and my mom when we walk him if he really wants too, and he plays 'deaf dog' if he sees something (like the Aussies) that REALLY interests him. One more question: what is the diff. between a Prong and a Pinch collar?
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11-13-2004, 06:11 AM	#3 (permalink)
GSD Herding dogs Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: WI Posts: 1,133 Rep Power: 138	I use a retractable when walking all the time, I think they're great, BUT, my dog will heal on command down from a distance even when off leash and is under control. If your able to use one they're fine, but in this case, if they need a choke chain (IMO a bad idea, i'd much rather us a prong if needed) they have no use for a retractable leash, it should walked in the yard with a regular leash, and the owner can make tons of abrupt right hand turns and teach the dog to stay with them.

11-13-2004, 11:09 AM	#8 (permalink)
*Carrie* Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: north panhandle of Idaho Posts: 7,420 Rep Power: 286	I agree with Crossfire. Training with motivational methods will teach your dog to walk nicely and to not try to slip out of his collar.

11-13-2004, 01:07 PM	#10 (permalink)
*Carrie* Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: north panhandle of Idaho Posts: 7,420 Rep Power: 286	http://www.flyingdogpress.com/headhalters.html As you continue down this article, you'll see the point of it. LOL. It may seem out of context to you at first.

11-13-2004, 03:16 PM	#12 (permalink)
gaddylovesdogs don't have a cow! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 3,426 Rep Power: 153	Choke chains (training collars) and retractables do not mix.
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11-13-2004, 03:50 PM	#13 (permalink)
flyndog Unleash The Possibilities Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Marfa, TX Posts: 3,969 Rep Power: 183	I don't like them, but retractable leashes are fine IF your dog is already trained. They are not meant for training. If you can hold a retractable leash, dispense treats, and/or click, and control your dog all at the same time, then you can use one! Unless a trainer has shown you the proper way to correct your dog with a slip collar, you shouldn't use one because of the previously mentioned potential damage to the dog. Same goes for any leash correction with any collar. Have somebody show you the right way to do it. The martingale is a limited slip collar. Kit
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11-14-2004, 05:27 AM	#15 (permalink)
sambo Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: west midlands Posts: 18 Rep Power: 75	halti collar I have a rotty who is very strong and used to walk me while on walks so i purchased a halti collar and it is great u can use your normal lead with it as u can attach it with a collar link that u buy for it also. there is a site that tells u all u need to know about it i will add it in next post

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