what to do

neko12 · 02-22-2005, 11:01 AM

I have tried everything I have stoping when he pull. turnning the other way when he pull. I even got him a prong collar he still pulls as bad and i'm afraid that it will hurt him because he pull so bad can you pls help me

I have a 11 mouth old lab, and he love to play fatch and he will catch anything you throw to him, but when we play fatch I have to put him on a long long chain because I will throw whatever I have and he will go after it but he sometime will bring it back and sometime he willl drop and take off the other way, and I wish I could just take him off the chain and play fatch with out the chain. can anyone help

WingedFoal · 02-22-2005, 01:04 PM

You might want to look into a head collar for your dog. Here's a link to one kind:

http://www.petsmart.com/global/produ...=1109102203848

I used this kind while training my foster dog, Lazy. She was a big dog and very strong, and this helped more than any other collar. If you decide to get it, make sure you have a knowledgeable person size this collar to your dog's head, because if not properly fitted, it can be uncomfortable or even allow your dog to slip out of it. Do not ever pull the lead harshly with this collar. It can harm your dog.

Keep in mind though, that this is just for assistance in training. Actual obedience training is a must if you want your dog to walk with you without pulling.

Also, do not let your dog off a leash when he is outside if you know you cannot trust him. You need to begin teaching him the command "Come" before you even allow him off lead in an open area where it is possible for him to get in a road. Here's a link to a good article with training info on the command "Come."

http://www.globalpaw.com/articles.ph...ticle&artid=20

Good luck, and never hesitate to ask any questions.

IceyBlueSibes · 02-22-2005, 01:07 PM

Have you tried a halti? or gentle leader? These go around the dogs muzzle, and around the back of their head. As soon as the dog pulls, it brings their head back. Although it does take some time to get used to for the dog, you should have someone show you how to use it, or else it can injure your dog if nor used properly.

Head Halti

I wouldn't take your dog off lead until he can fully be trusted to come back to you. Working on his recall will help a lot. Does he know sit and stay? If so, make him stay for certain periods of time, and then call him back to you. I would do this with a longer leash. Every so often, step further away, and make the periods of time last longer. Add distractions... if he goes after it, tell him "Leave it!" or which ever command your prefer. This won't happen over night but will make a big difference when he gets older. You can buy magazines or books to help coach you a long to teach him these things. If you feel really uncomfortable about doing it yourself, try finding a reputable trainer in your area who is willing to work with you and your pooch. If anything, just ask for some suggestions as to how to stop his bad behaviors and research it. Luckily I'm able to get into contact with a local trainer, who will answer any questions I have through email, as well as tell me how do certain commands.

Hope I've helped! Good luck with your poochie! He just needs a little more training!

PS. Keep in mind that the Head Halti is not a solution! Just a tool to help teach the dog! If you end up purchasing the head halti, and learn how to properly use it, work on teaching heel or atleast teaching him how to walk nicely on the leash, and not pull out your shoulder!

IceyBlueSibes · 02-22-2005, 01:08 PM

Haha, we posted around the same time Winged Foal!

neko12 · 02-23-2005, 08:48 AM

yes I have tried a head collar and he pulls more and it the right size because on the back of it tell the size and the breed

neko12 · 02-23-2005, 08:51 AM

yes he now sit and stay he good at that

IceyBlueSibes · 02-23-2005, 09:45 AM

The only thing I can suggest is to have a trainer talk and work with you. If you've tried the prong, the head halter, etc. and nothing is working, then it's time to get some professional help.

Try working more with him on that (sit-stay), and get him to come to you. Then add distractions, such as a toy, or a stick, and if he goes for it, tell him "Leave it!" (or whatever command) and tell him to come. When he does, treat and praise! Try finding a fenced in area to practice offleash. When he comes to you when you call him, praise him!

WingedFoal · 02-23-2005, 10:14 AM

Yeah I agree, professional help is definitely needed if nothing is working for you.

Mutts4me · 02-24-2005, 03:08 PM

Yes these r great to use. I use them and would suggest them much more than a prong.

Mutts4me · 02-24-2005, 03:11 PM

the gentle leader will take time to get used to because it takes away dominence(i couldn't spell that word)(lol) just keep trying and take some training classes w/ him

gaddylovesdogs · 02-24-2005, 04:56 PM

I'm thinking your prong collar and headcollar are not working for the reason that they are not used correctly. There are right ways and wrong ways to use things, and headcollars and prong and choke collars are training tools that must be used correctly to work efectively and properly.

What kind of headcollar do you use? I know that there are special packages for Gentle Leaders, one which contains a training manual and headcollar, the other which contains a lead and headcollar plus a training video.

I would contact a proffessional trainer to learn how to use the prong collar correctly. They can seriously injure a dog if not used properly (so can headcollars). I also recommend checking out a few books on dog training from your local library

.

flyndog · 02-24-2005, 07:03 PM

Hello Neko12. It's no fun to walk with a dog that is pulling your arm off! I agree with the previous posters that you need professional help. You should not use a prong, choke or head halter without it knowing the proper way to use it. At best, it will be ineffective and at worst, you can do serious injury to your dog - mentally and physically. I'm surprised that you are having trouble with the dog pulling with the head halter. Is he fighting the head halter?
Until you can see the equipment used correctly, only use a buckle collar on your dog. Start training over from the beginning. Don't jerk the leash to correct him. Instead, lure him into position with treats. You have to be more interesting than whatever is making him pull.
If you can't afford professional training, there is a good online library of training articles for all ages at Dr. P's site. http://www.uwsp.edu/psych/dog/dog.htm.
Kit

02-22-2005, 11:01 AM	#1 (permalink)
neko12 Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 29 Rep Power: 72	what to do I have tried everything I have stoping when he pull. turnning the other way when he pull. I even got him a prong collar he still pulls as bad and i'm afraid that it will hurt him because he pull so bad can you pls help me I have a 11 mouth old lab, and he love to play fatch and he will catch anything you throw to him, but when we play fatch I have to put him on a long long chain because I will throw whatever I have and he will go after it but he sometime will bring it back and sometime he willl drop and take off the other way, and I wish I could just take him off the chain and play fatch with out the chain. can anyone help
neko12 Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 29 Rep Power: 72

02-22-2005, 01:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
WingedFoal Bostons Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham, AL, USA Posts: 1,035 Rep Power: 99	You might want to look into a head collar for your dog. Here's a link to one kind: http://www.petsmart.com/global/produ...=1109102203848 I used this kind while training my foster dog, Lazy. She was a big dog and very strong, and this helped more than any other collar. If you decide to get it, make sure you have a knowledgeable person size this collar to your dog's head, because if not properly fitted, it can be uncomfortable or even allow your dog to slip out of it. Do not ever pull the lead harshly with this collar. It can harm your dog. Keep in mind though, that this is just for assistance in training. Actual obedience training is a must if you want your dog to walk with you without pulling. Also, do not let your dog off a leash when he is outside if you know you cannot trust him. You need to begin teaching him the command "Come" before you even allow him off lead in an open area where it is possible for him to get in a road. Here's a link to a good article with training info on the command "Come." http://www.globalpaw.com/articles.ph...ticle&artid=20 Good luck, and never hesitate to ask any questions.
	__________________

02-22-2005, 01:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
IceyBlueSibes Eyes = Mirror to the soul Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Jupiter, Fla. Posts: 7,831 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 276	Have you tried a halti? or gentle leader? These go around the dogs muzzle, and around the back of their head. As soon as the dog pulls, it brings their head back. Although it does take some time to get used to for the dog, you should have someone show you how to use it, or else it can injure your dog if nor used properly. Head Halti I wouldn't take your dog off lead until he can fully be trusted to come back to you. Working on his recall will help a lot. Does he know sit and stay? If so, make him stay for certain periods of time, and then call him back to you. I would do this with a longer leash. Every so often, step further away, and make the periods of time last longer. Add distractions... if he goes after it, tell him "Leave it!" or which ever command your prefer. This won't happen over night but will make a big difference when he gets older. You can buy magazines or books to help coach you a long to teach him these things. If you feel really uncomfortable about doing it yourself, try finding a reputable trainer in your area who is willing to work with you and your pooch. If anything, just ask for some suggestions as to how to stop his bad behaviors and research it. Luckily I'm able to get into contact with a local trainer, who will answer any questions I have through email, as well as tell me how do certain commands. Hope I've helped! Good luck with your poochie! He just needs a little more training! PS. Keep in mind that the Head Halti is not a solution! Just a tool to help teach the dog! If you end up purchasing the head halti, and learn how to properly use it, work on teaching heel or atleast teaching him how to walk nicely on the leash, and not pull out your shoulder!
	__________________ Sheiba, Denali, Ike, Nitro (Siberian Husky), Kelso (GSD x), Lugar (Boxer/Pit x), Willah (Shepherd/Husky x), Tibby, Cheech, Chong (Chihuahua), and any foster we have in the house! 9 Kitty cats!

02-22-2005, 01:08 PM	#4 (permalink)
IceyBlueSibes Eyes = Mirror to the soul Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Jupiter, Fla. Posts: 7,831 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 276	Haha, we posted around the same time Winged Foal!
	__________________ Sheiba, Denali, Ike, Nitro (Siberian Husky), Kelso (GSD x), Lugar (Boxer/Pit x), Willah (Shepherd/Husky x), Tibby, Cheech, Chong (Chihuahua), and any foster we have in the house! 9 Kitty cats!

02-23-2005, 08:48 AM	#5 (permalink)
neko12 Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 29 Rep Power: 72	yes I have tried a head collar and he pulls more and it the right size because on the back of it tell the size and the breed
neko12 Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 29 Rep Power: 72

02-23-2005, 08:51 AM	#6 (permalink)
neko12 Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 29 Rep Power: 72	yes he now sit and stay he good at that
neko12 Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 29 Rep Power: 72

02-23-2005, 09:45 AM	#7 (permalink)
IceyBlueSibes Eyes = Mirror to the soul Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Jupiter, Fla. Posts: 7,831 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 276	The only thing I can suggest is to have a trainer talk and work with you. If you've tried the prong, the head halter, etc. and nothing is working, then it's time to get some professional help. Try working more with him on that (sit-stay), and get him to come to you. Then add distractions, such as a toy, or a stick, and if he goes for it, tell him "Leave it!" (or whatever command) and tell him to come. When he does, treat and praise! Try finding a fenced in area to practice offleash. When he comes to you when you call him, praise him!
	__________________ Sheiba, Denali, Ike, Nitro (Siberian Husky), Kelso (GSD x), Lugar (Boxer/Pit x), Willah (Shepherd/Husky x), Tibby, Cheech, Chong (Chihuahua), and any foster we have in the house! 9 Kitty cats!

02-23-2005, 10:14 AM	#8 (permalink)
WingedFoal Bostons Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham, AL, USA Posts: 1,035 Rep Power: 99	Yeah I agree, professional help is definitely needed if nothing is working for you.
	__________________

02-24-2005, 03:08 PM	#9 (permalink)
Mutts4me Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 197 Rep Power: 74	Yes these r great to use. I use them and would suggest them much more than a prong.
Mutts4me Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 197 Rep Power: 74

02-24-2005, 03:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
Mutts4me Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 197 Rep Power: 74	the gentle leader will take time to get used to because it takes away dominence(i couldn't spell that word)(lol) just keep trying and take some training classes w/ him
Mutts4me Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 197 Rep Power: 74

02-24-2005, 04:56 PM	#11 (permalink)
gaddylovesdogs don't have a cow! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 3,426 Rep Power: 155	I'm thinking your prong collar and headcollar are not working for the reason that they are not used correctly. There are right ways and wrong ways to use things, and headcollars and prong and choke collars are training tools that must be used correctly to work efectively and properly. What kind of headcollar do you use? I know that there are special packages for Gentle Leaders, one which contains a training manual and headcollar, the other which contains a lead and headcollar plus a training video. I would contact a proffessional trainer to learn how to use the prong collar correctly. They can seriously injure a dog if not used properly (so can headcollars). I also recommend checking out a few books on dog training from your local library .
	__________________ Looking for a new pet? Search www.petfinder.com for your next love. If you have a heart, please help the victims of Hurricane Katrina. www.redcross.org

02-24-2005, 07:03 PM	#12 (permalink)
flyndog Unleash The Possibilities Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Marfa, TX Posts: 3,969 Rep Power: 185	Hello Neko12. It's no fun to walk with a dog that is pulling your arm off! I agree with the previous posters that you need professional help. You should not use a prong, choke or head halter without it knowing the proper way to use it. At best, it will be ineffective and at worst, you can do serious injury to your dog - mentally and physically. I'm surprised that you are having trouble with the dog pulling with the head halter. Is he fighting the head halter? Until you can see the equipment used correctly, only use a buckle collar on your dog. Start training over from the beginning. Don't jerk the leash to correct him. Instead, lure him into position with treats. You have to be more interesting than whatever is making him pull. If you can't afford professional training, there is a good online library of training articles for all ages at Dr. P's site. http://www.uwsp.edu/psych/dog/dog.htm. Kit
	__________________ mARFa Dog Training and Behavior

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)