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Old 07-22-2008, 10:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm new at this, but I have a question

I have a male and a female Jack Russell Terrier. She is currently in heat and they are mating and they have been tied several times. I know this is a normal thing for them to get stuck together. A while back I had no idea this is how dogs mate. After doing some research and deciding to breed my Jack's I have figured out that this is normal. My question is do they stop trying to mate after she has become pregnant? If they do not, will that harm her? I am not totally 100% sure she is pregnant, but I assume that she is because of the numerous times they have tried. They are both healthy and up to date on their shots and I got the ok from the vet to breed these specific dogs together. I just want to ensure that I do everything I can to help her to stay healthy and produce healthy pups. We are waiting to take her to the vet because I read that you are supposed to wait at least two weeks from the first time they mated to take them to the vet to be tested for pregnancy. Any help on this topic is greatly appreciated! Thanks!
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First I'd like to warn that people here think of the dogs first and the owners second. We are extremely passionate about dogs and their well being. Please take everything as helpful advice and for future reference rather than as an attack...

Ok...the only way to ensure the pups are healthy is to make sure both parents are both healthy and genetically sound. Both should have specific tests done to check for things such as PRA, Patella luxation, heart problems, hip and elbow dysplasia (not as common in small dogs of course) etc... These are not just health checks. They are tests that are done when requested only.
Vets know almost nothing about breeding animals, apart from the basics...which aren't worth much in the long run.

Breeding dogs is serious, your bitch could die giving birth (many do). The pups could die (many do). Your bitch could need a c-section to give birth which can cost more than a thousand dollars or your bitch could decide not to nurse her pups and you'll have to hand raise them, which takes much more time and effort (and money) than people think. Or, in the worst case, both bitch and pups could die.
Yes, it's a dooms day attitude, but this is a living creature we're talking about and her life is worth being extra careful with.

Personally, I would have them both spayed and neutered. There are currently 2287 jack russell terriers (and JRT mixes) available on Petfinder (ie: in rescues and shelters) alone. That's not including the many shelters and rescues that don't use petfinder to advertise their dogs in need.

I'm sorry I can't agree with what you're doing. I think it's irresponsible and selfish. In the end it's your choice, but I really think you should take a look at the other side of it. At all the JRT's that are in desperate need of homes and think about where they came from. They didn't come from reputable breeders, they came from backyard breeders (like yourself) and puppymills.
It may seem like a great idea to breed, but in the end it's always the dogs that suffer.

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Old 07-23-2008, 07:57 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I agree with Cass and she said it wonderfully. At the very least I hope you can learn from this experience and educate yourself along the way so you will make the right decision in the end.

A lot of people don't realize all of the indepth things that go into responsible breeding. This site isn't against breeding when it is done responsibley. And that means getting your dog's health tested (OFA, CERF, heart checked, etc.), as well as having them compete and titled in either showing or working classes to prove they fit the breed standard and are worthy to be bred.

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Coming from personal experience, vet's don't know squat about breeding. If your dog never had parvo, you always bring it in for shots, and they don't have any dieseses (like heart worm - not genetic), you will most likely get the okay from a vet to breed. But that is only one side of the coin...genetic desiese is what plagues purebred dogs today and really is what needs to be tested for. I've known a one year old Mastiff who couldn't even walk because he his parents were bred with the okay of the vet...but no OFA test was preformed so this Masttif pup needed to have major surgery on both of his hips to even give him the chance of living.

I agree with Cass...it isn't too late to spay your bitch and neuter your dog. That will possibley save a lot of heart ache in the end.
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Old 07-23-2008, 10:10 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I agree 100% with Cass and Ritz. Also you mentioned in your introduction thread that your two dogs were jrt mixes....This makes it any worse as there are way too many mixes in shelters. Please get your dogs spayed and neutered before it's too late.
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Eesh,
I would bet lots o' doggy biscuits that Andrea waddn't quite expecting the 'warm welcome' she's getting from the Global Paw crew.

Andrea, I have to apologize for the barrage you're getting here, but there's maybe something you don't understand about this forum.....

If I may enlighten?

The majority of folks that will post here do so with regard to adopted dogs and cats. These folks work dilligently to make sure animals that were considered "throw away's" get rehabilitated, retrained, revived and reconstitued to make them viable animals for others, that is if they don't keep them for themselves (and many do just that).
So, what you're suggesting kind of goes against the grain and the basic creedo of this forum.

If you'll check the numbers, the exhorbitant amount of dogs and cats that are killed everyday due to people just, not wanting them, are astronomical. Now, you had mentioned in your initial introduction that you have 2 JRT "mixes". I don't know how much you know about the bloodline of these "mixes" but if they are indeed a mix, what kind of dog are you going to advertise in the classifieds? and furthermore, how much can you ask for a Jack russell mix? In the greatest stretch of the imagination, if these dogs were actual pure-blood Jack's, you might possibly have, dare I say, "A commodity" on your hands. And forgive me here, but all you're really going to produce from this litter (that is if it's successful) is excess.

You didn't really make it clear exactly why you're breeding these dogs and I would be curious to know. I would beg you to reconsider what you're undertaking and urge you to get yer pupp's fixed. Not only will it increase the animal's health and welfare, but they'll likely live longer and with fewer compications than an animal that's intact.

Please give these posts some thought before you go ahead and make your decision,

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First I'd like to warn that people here think of the dogs first and the owners second. We are extremely passionate about dogs and their well being. Please take everything as helpful advice and for future reference rather than as an attack...

Ok...the only way to ensure the pups are healthy is to make sure both parents are both healthy and genetically sound. Both should have specific tests done to check for things such as PRA, Patella luxation, heart problems, hip and elbow dysplasia (not as common in small dogs of course) etc... These are not just health checks. They are tests that are done when requested only.
Vets know almost nothing about breeding animals, apart from the basics...which aren't worth much in the long run.

Breeding dogs is serious, your bitch could die giving birth (many do). The pups could die (many do). Your bitch could need a c-section to give birth which can cost more than a thousand dollars or your bitch could decide not to nurse her pups and you'll have to hand raise them, which takes much more time and effort (and money) than people think. Or, in the worst case, both bitch and pups could die.
Yes, it's a dooms day attitude, but this is a living creature we're talking about and her life is worth being extra careful with.

Personally, I would have them both spayed and neutered. There are currently 2287 jack russell terriers (and JRT mixes) available on Petfinder (ie: in rescues and shelters) alone. That's not including the many shelters and rescues that don't use petfinder to advertise their dogs in need.

I'm sorry I can't agree with what you're doing. I think it's irresponsible and selfish. In the end it's your choice, but I really think you should take a look at the other side of it. At all the JRT's that are in desperate need of homes and think about where they came from. They didn't come from reputable breeders, they came from backyard breeders (like yourself) and puppymills.
It may seem like a great idea to breed, but in the end it's always the dogs that suffer.

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I agree with Cass. It is irresponsible and selfish to "just breed" your dogs to "just make puppies". From what you put, you have no knowledge on breeding, whelping NOR raising a litter.. correct ? Please reconsider and spay and neuter your dogs !!
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The members that have posted in this forum might come across as harsh, but this is a passoinate and touchy topic for many of us.

I would suggest you rethink your reasons for breeding your dogs. What are your actual reasons? There are a lot of 'myths' out there that put breeding your dog in good light, but we might be able to educate you more on the risks, dangers and reasons for breeding, so you can make a more informed decision.

We're always here to offer advice, and I hope you stick around here, because truely we are friendly!
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Well, as stated above.... breeding dogs is a very serious thing. Before you decide to breed any dog, you should take several very important things into consideration. First of all, any potential breeding dogs should be tested for health conditions, and also for any genetic conditions that might be passed along to the puppies. The parents should be registered, totally healthy, and you should always research the dog's pedigree to see what type of bloodlines the dogs both have. When breeding, it is important to "better the breed" which means not just any purebred dog should be bred. Another thing that is very important is the temperment of the sire and bitch. No dog with an unsound temperment should ever be bred. Why are you wanting to breed? Do you plan to try improving the breed, do you want to show dogs, what is your goal in breeding these dogs? Do you have one? If you're thinking that raising dogs in a good way to make money, that is simply not true. Many people do not begin to understand the costs that go into properly raising a litter of puppies. Puppies must be wormed every 2 weeks from the time they are 2-4 weeks of age, they must be taken to the vet for a checkup before going to their new homes, they need to be up to date on all age appropriate puppy shots. There are the costs of feeding the puppies, along with the costs of taking care of the female while she is pregnant. Then, there is always that chance that there will be problems with the female or her litter. What if she has problems during labor, can you afford to take her into the vet to get an emergency c-section? What if the puppies become ill, there is then the cost of treating the whole litter. There are never any guarantees that you won't have problems when you have a litter. The question is, are you prepared to handle these type of unexpected costs should a situation like this come up? There is always the chance that you could potentially lose puppies, and even possibly the mother dog. Is this a risk that you are willing to take? Raising puppies is always a 24/7 job. It can be a real joy, but there is also A LOT of work involved. If this is your female's first litter, there is always the chance that she may turn out to be a bad mother.... if this happens, and it often does, are you ready to bottle feed a litter of puppies every 2 hours until they are at LEAST 3 weeks old? Are you ready for that type of commitment.

Then, there is the issue of finding the puppies responsible loving homes. Puppies should never be placed on a "first come, first serve basis". All potential homes should be screened well before you allow one of your puppies to go there. It is also very important that puppies are placed on a puppy contract that states the puppy must be fixed by a certain age (usually 6 - 8 months old), and that the puppy will be well taken care of. These contracts also state that if the puppy buyer cannot keep the puppy for any reason, it must be returned to you. Not placed in a new home or put in a shelter. I feel that these contracts are VERY important! If you really love your dogs, and care about your puppies.... you will do your very best to ensure that they never end up in a shelter, adding to the list of unwanted pets. This is VERY important in being a responsible breeder. I can provide you with a sample puppy contract, if you would like.

I am NOT totally against breeding.... in fact, I have been raising Great Danes for several years. However, I am very against the unresponsible breeding of dogs. There are too many people breeding dogs out there for the wrong reasons, and in the end it's the dogs that suffer. I really hope that you will take what everyone has said into consideration. Breeding dogs is a VERY SERIOUS thing, and you must understand what a HUGE responsibility it is that you'll be taking on.... If you do decide to let this pregnany continue, please feel free to contact me anytime. I'd be glad to try helping you the best that I can in whelping and raising your litter.

Global Paw is a very friendly place, so I hope you don't think that anyone here is trying to be hard on you. I think everyone is just trying to make you understand what a serious responsibility breeding dogs really is. I wish you and your dogs the very best of luck in whatever you decide to do!
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I agree with Cass. It is irresponsible and selfish to "just breed" your dogs to "just make puppies". From what you put, you have no knowledge on breeding, whelping NOR raising a litter.. correct ? Please reconsider and spay and neuter your dogs !!

Whoa, did I come off being a bit b*tchy ? Sorry If I did, it's been a long day !

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Whoa!

I must admit when I first started reading these replies to my questions, I was a little taken back by the harshness. But I completely understand where everyone is coming from. When I first decided to breed these dogs together I have to admit I didn't know much about breeding and all that goes into it. Trust me when I say that I have done my research and know all of the responsibility that goes into it. I understand that some people think that breeding should just be to improve the breed and for showing purposes. But I wonder if they can see the other side to it also. Dogs are not just for money or work. They are great companions and bring a lot of joy and happiness into people's lives. My dogs are very loved by my family and friends and most of the pups that she does have will be placed with them. So I am carefully going to screen the homes that these puppies go to. I appreciate all of the advice, I am just not sure I feel the same way as everyone else does about breeding. Just because there are unwanted dogs of all different breeds out there doesn't mean that my puppies will be that way. I am a very responsible person and have a passion for animals that I am sure you all will understand. I am not breeding them to make money or even to improve the breed. I am breeding them to see the puppies bring joy to other people's lives the way they have mine. That may sound silly or even irresponsible to some of you, but we all have our own way of thinking and beliefs and I am not discounting your in any way so please don't discount mine. I will do whatever it takes to make sure that both the mother and the pups are healthy, well taken care of, and end up in good homes. Yes I am prepared to pay whatever it takes to accomplish this. I am currently going to college to become a veterinary technician so I am learning more and more about animals everyday. I really do appreciate the advice and I am sure that you do know what you are talking about and that you are only trying to help. I was aware that I would get responses like these I read some of the other forums before I started this one so I am in no way offended. I do intend on sticking around. I think this is a wonderful website and it is totally based on the love of dogs, and I think that's great. So thanks again for the replies!
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First of all NO reputable breeder EVER breeds for money!!!!!!!!!! EVER!!! Sorry for the !! marks but I have to make that perfectly clear. I'm not yelling, just emphasising the point. It's a common misconception and one that needs to be corrected urgently.
All dogs bred by reputable breeders (those who title their dogs...not just in shows, shows are not the be all and end all for reputable breeders) are bred as companions first. With the exception of pure working dogs (of course) no dog bred by reputable breeders is bred for anything else other than as a companion first and all that showing/working/titling/breeding to better the breed comes second. So what you're doing is neither unique or needed.
Most backyard breeders (ie: small scale irresponsible breeders) use that same argument, so that's not going to sway anyone here I'm afraid.

Unless you've already had all the genetic testing done well before your dogs bred, you haven't done everything it takes to make sure the pups and their parents are healthy.

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I bet the majority of people who bred those unwanted dogs said the exact same thing. It's a common quote from backyard breeders. We hear it often.


At the very least, I beg you to make sure the pups are spayed and neutered BEFORE they are given out to their new owners (early spay/neuter is commonly done by rescues and shelters and some reputable breeders too....it's not a problem). To ensure that the cycle does not continue. That's the most responsible thing you can do.

Glad you're sticking around, by the way. I don't want to scare you off...just very concerned about the dogs that's all. I've done work with a shelter and owned a rescue dog that had been dumped by his previous owner and it breaks my heart like you wouldn't believe.

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First of all NO reputable breeder EVER breeds for money!!!!!!!!!! EVER!!! Sorry for the !! marks but I have to make that perfectly clear. I'm not yelling, just emphasising the point. It's a common misconception and one that needs to be corrected urgently.
All dogs bred by reputable breeders (those who title their dogs...not just in shows, shows are not the be all and end all for reputable breeders) are bred as companions first. With the exception of pure working dogs (of course) no dog bred by reputable breeders is bred for anything else other than as a companion first and all that showing/working/titling/breeding to better the breed comes second. So what you're doing is neither unique or needed.
Most backyard breeders (ie: small scale irresponsible breeders) use that same argument, so that's not going to sway anyone here I'm afraid.

Unless you've already had all the genetic testing done well before your dogs bred, you haven't done everything it takes to make sure the pups and their parents are healthy.


I bet the majority of people who bred those unwanted dogs said the exact same thing. It's a common quote from backyard breeders. We hear it often.


At the very least, I beg you to make sure the pups are spayed and neutered BEFORE they are given out to their new owners (early spay/neuter is commonly done by rescues and shelters and some reputable breeders too....it's not a problem). To ensure that the cycle does not continue. That's the most responsible thing you can do.

Glad you're sticking around, by the way. I don't want to scare you off...just very concerned about the dogs that's all. I've done work with a shelter and owned a rescue dog that had been dumped by his previous owner and it breaks my heart like you wouldn't believe.

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Wow. I really do have to agree with you there.
If I were a breeder, I would NOT breed for the money (I think it's just completely wrong).
But, I obviously agree on everything else you said. EVERYTHING.

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Just because there are unwanted dogs of all different breeds out there doesn't mean that my puppies will be that way.
That doesn't matter. The puppies you produce will just take away homes from dogs in shelters. You may not think that you are contributing to the situation, but you are. What if each puppy you produce has a litter? And so on?

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I am not breeding them to make money or even to improve the breed.
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I am breeding them to see the puppies bring joy to other people's lives the way they have mine.
What's the issue with adopting needy puppies from a shelter? I can guarantee you that they will bring you just as much joy.

I'm with Cass on this, as usual.

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I must say as a pure breed dog own