death penalty

linnie · 12-02-2005, 01:32 PM

whats your thoughts on the recent hanging of the young man who entered a country with drugs to sell and was yesterday hung???

I personally feel that if a death penalty is in force for a crime then it should be humanely done and I dont think hanging is humane.

But surely these people realise the risk when they enter these countries with these penalties.

( exception is for people who abuse animals) they should all be hung

fireworksinjuly · 12-02-2005, 01:56 PM

Was this in Australia? I haven’t heard about that...

I know there is a big deal here with the 1000th execution since the death penalty was brought back in the 1970's. They have (I think) all been through lethal injection though.

GSD · 12-02-2005, 02:30 PM

aside from death ala Braveheart, I think firing squad, hanging lethal injection, gas chamber electrocution are all about the same.

All have a certain degreee of suffering. A quick hanging with a good noose will break the dens on the C2 vertebra and cut the spinal cord really quick and the person will not feel a thing. Then again they could not have that happen and they'd suffocate.

***Cassiepeia*** · 12-02-2005, 03:25 PM

Linnie..I know which hanging you're talking about and while I don't agree that death should be the punishment for that particular crime, I do believe that he knew the risks (as do we all) and he was guilty of the crime. So I'm not going to cry about it.
Being hanged may not be the best death in the world, but dead is dead. So I really don't think the method matters as long as it's not drawn out and torturous.

Cass.

Mellie · 12-02-2005, 06:21 PM

I read about that young man... yesterday I think. Or maybe this morning. I believe I recall that death by hanging is a mandatory sentence for anyone convicted of drug smuggling there. It's that black and white. People had tried to throw in those shades of gray, claiming he did it to try to bail his brother out of trouble.
I have issues with other aspects of the justice system here (in the US), not just the death penalty. So I won't get started or I'll have carpal tunnel syndrome from all the typing.

theGOOCH · 12-03-2005, 11:44 AM

I support the death penalty for more heinous crimes, but not for having drugs

elegy · 12-03-2005, 11:47 AM

i don't support the death penalty, period. and especially for something like drugs.

tessa_s212 · 12-03-2005, 11:55 AM

I support the death penalty for murderers,.. but not for drug users/trafficers...

This person was obviously pretty stupid to risk his life on drugs anyway. I mean, who COULD think that was smart? "Oh..well, I am going to go to a country that will kill me if they find drugs on me.. "

Shalva · 12-03-2005, 01:32 PM

I dont support the death penalty at all.... period... for anything.... there are too many significant issues with the justice system in the states to feel comfortable with an ultimate punishment like this... not to mention that I think sitting in jail until you die and all the things that go on in prison... is much worse... Death is the easy way out if a person is truly guilty....

However, I am a sociologist (University Professor of Sociology with a PhD with a focus on race and disability)... the disability aspect doesn't come into play here but whats interesting is that there is a positive correlation between states that had large numbers of lynchings and states with high numbers of black men on death row.....in reading the research one can only conclude that these states.... are still lynching.... just legally.

S

Shalva · 12-03-2005, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tessa_s212

I support the death penalty for murderers,.. but not for drug users/trafficers...

This person was obviously pretty stupid to risk his life on drugs anyway. I mean, who COULD think that was smart? "Oh..well, I am going to go to a country that will kill me if they find drugs on me.. "

yes but it is all a clear demonstration of how the death penalty does not deter crime.....
s

Mom2Many · 12-03-2005, 02:05 PM

I am also against the death penalty due to the fact that humans are fallible. The means by which we attain a verdict may in part be scientific but it still comes down to human emotion when the judgement is handed down. I do not believe we have the right to pass that type of judgement on anyone.

On the other hand our prision systems are overwhelmed with large populations that are a huge drain on our funds. We need to overhaul big time and realize that not every crime should be punished by life in prision, I feel we need a more proactive approach in attempting to rehabilitate inmates, especially drug dealers, burglars, some fraud charges, etc. Sex offenders and child molesters and child pornogrophers which have been proven to be unsuccessful with rehabilitation should be the majority of the inmates that are in prision for life sentences in my humble opinion.

Crossfire Bulldogs · 12-03-2005, 03:00 PM

I support the death penalty 100% for those who kill and wish it was in place for pedophiles and rapists as well.

As someone who has been to the scene of these terrible crimes I have seen first hand the victims, have been the one to tell their loved ones that someone has been killed or that their family member has been the victim of a pedophile or rapist. These crimes aren't just to one person but stretch so much further, effecting many people for years to come, even the family of the offender must indure heartache when these crimes occur and I don't believe that anything other than death should be an option for those offenders. Should it be done in a humane fashion? Yes but frankly, the offender gave no thought of humane treatment to their victim so I see no reason to do anything other than we already have to insure their sentence is carried out any more humane than is already done.

I strongly oppose the death penalty for drug offenses, I believe the crime should fit the punishment and as just one example, the thought of death for some stupid 18 year old kid who was dealing in marijuana just makes me angry.

Over the years it has been proven time and time again that the death penalty does not deter crime, if it did we would have far less people sitting on death row. Is the current justice system flawed, it most certainly is but until something better comes along we are in fact stuck with what we have. Does that mean we should just throw up our hands and leave it flawed? No but how many people actually feel strongly enough about it to join as one mass and attempt to change it? Regardless of how anyone feels about our current government the fact still remains that the United States still moves at the voice of those masses, isn't it about time the people started telling the government what it is they want? I think so.

StephanieandTeddy · 12-03-2005, 06:06 PM

I believe the punishment should fit the crime. In this case it did not.
The Death Penalty is handed down too freely, IMO....I don't believe it deters crime...I would also worry about people being falsely accused. There have been some instances where new DNA evidence has freed people ...
I believe that in countries that have "caning" there is very little recidivism. Maybe something to think about...

tessa_s212 · 12-03-2005, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shalva

yes but it is all a clear demonstration of how the death penalty does not deter crime.....
s

I don't understand.

Shalva · 12-04-2005, 04:29 AM

I dont know, did the punishment fit the crime??? now keep in mind that I dont approve of the death penalty at all under any circumstances but if you are going to be in favor of it.....

Drugs cause a great deal of damage to society..... murders while people are high, auto fatalities, suicides, accidental overdoses, domestic violence, burglaries..... alcohol and drugs are the root causes of many of societies ills.....

In some sense Singapore has decided to punish to the extreme the people who are introducing the root problem, doesn't one drug trafficker do more overall damage than the isolated murder or even the serial killer who kills ten people???? if he was carrying 400 grams of heroine..... (now keep in mind that hte illegalization of heroin is a whole other political quandary) but if each person buys a gram.... you have now impacted 400 people ..... and what will the future impact of that be?

just seems like a case could be made that trafficking drugs could actually do more societal damage and that the punishment may well be justified..... if you are to back the death penalty ..... it seems that the root of the problem needs to be addressed vs. the symptoms of that problem.
S

12-02-2005, 01:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
linnie tibbie girl Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 3,051 Rep Power: 169	death penalty whats your thoughts on the recent hanging of the young man who entered a country with drugs to sell and was yesterday hung??? I personally feel that if a death penalty is in force for a crime then it should be humanely done and I dont think hanging is humane. But surely these people realise the risk when they enter these countries with these penalties. ( exception is for people who abuse animals) they should all be hung
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12-02-2005, 01:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
fireworksinjuly Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 2,585 Rep Power: 140	Was this in Australia? I haven’t heard about that... I know there is a big deal here with the 1000th execution since the death penalty was brought back in the 1970's. They have (I think) all been through lethal injection though.
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12-02-2005, 03:25 PM	#4 (permalink)
*Cassiepeia* Chihuahua Mum Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: NSW, Australia Posts: 8,253 Blog Entries: 9 Rep Power: 281	Linnie..I know which hanging you're talking about and while I don't agree that death should be the punishment for that particular crime, I do believe that he knew the risks (as do we all) and he was guilty of the crime. So I'm not going to cry about it. Being hanged may not be the best death in the world, but dead is dead. So I really don't think the method matters as long as it's not drawn out and torturous. Cass.
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12-02-2005, 06:21 PM	#5 (permalink)
Mellie Springer/Saint Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Vermont Posts: 449 Rep Power: 95	I read about that young man... yesterday I think. Or maybe this morning. I believe I recall that death by hanging is a mandatory sentence for anyone convicted of drug smuggling there. It's that black and white. People had tried to throw in those shades of gray, claiming he did it to try to bail his brother out of trouble. I have issues with other aspects of the justice system here (in the US), not just the death penalty. So I won't get started or I'll have carpal tunnel syndrome from all the typing.
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12-03-2005, 11:47 AM	#7 (permalink)
elegy American Pit Bull Terrier Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,073 Rep Power: 107	i don't support the death penalty, period. and especially for something like drugs.
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12-02-2005, 02:30 PM	#3 (permalink)
GSD Herding dogs Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: WI Posts: 1,115 Rep Power: 136	aside from death ala Braveheart, I think firing squad, hanging lethal injection, gas chamber electrocution are all about the same. All have a certain degreee of suffering. A quick hanging with a good noose will break the dens on the C2 vertebra and cut the spinal cord really quick and the person will not feel a thing. Then again they could not have that happen and they'd suffocate.

12-03-2005, 11:44 AM	#6 (permalink)
theGOOCH Doberman Pinscher Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH USA Posts: 747 Rep Power: 94	I support the death penalty for more heinous crimes, but not for having drugs

12-03-2005, 11:55 AM	#8 (permalink)
tessa_s212 agility addict Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Stryker, Ohio Posts: 627 Rep Power: 75	I support the death penalty for murderers,.. but not for drug users/trafficers... This person was obviously pretty stupid to risk his life on drugs anyway. I mean, who COULD think that was smart? "Oh..well, I am going to go to a country that will kill me if they find drugs on me.. "
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12-03-2005, 01:32 PM	#9 (permalink)
Shalva Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: here...pointing to palm of right hand Posts: 442 Rep Power: 0	I dont support the death penalty at all.... period... for anything.... there are too many significant issues with the justice system in the states to feel comfortable with an ultimate punishment like this... not to mention that I think sitting in jail until you die and all the things that go on in prison... is much worse... Death is the easy way out if a person is truly guilty.... However, I am a sociologist (University Professor of Sociology with a PhD with a focus on race and disability)... the disability aspect doesn't come into play here but whats interesting is that there is a positive correlation between states that had large numbers of lynchings and states with high numbers of black men on death row.....in reading the research one can only conclude that these states.... are still lynching.... just legally. S
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12-03-2005, 02:05 PM	#11 (permalink)
Mom2Many Owned by 1 GSD & 1 APBT Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Untangling Gunnar's Leash Posts: 873 Rep Power: 90	I am also against the death penalty due to the fact that humans are fallible. The means by which we attain a verdict may in part be scientific but it still comes down to human emotion when the judgement is handed down. I do not believe we have the right to pass that type of judgement on anyone. On the other hand our prision systems are overwhelmed with large populations that are a huge drain on our funds. We need to overhaul big time and realize that not every crime should be punished by life in prision, I feel we need a more proactive approach in attempting to rehabilitate inmates, especially drug dealers, burglars, some fraud charges, etc. Sex offenders and child molesters and child pornogrophers which have been proven to be unsuccessful with rehabilitation should be the majority of the inmates that are in prision for life sentences in my humble opinion.
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12-03-2005, 03:00 PM	#12 (permalink)
Crossfire Bulldogs Sourmug Mom Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Snuggled Between The Snorts & Snores. Posts: 7,844 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 282	I support the death penalty 100% for those who kill and wish it was in place for pedophiles and rapists as well. As someone who has been to the scene of these terrible crimes I have seen first hand the victims, have been the one to tell their loved ones that someone has been killed or that their family member has been the victim of a pedophile or rapist. These crimes aren't just to one person but stretch so much further, effecting many people for years to come, even the family of the offender must indure heartache when these crimes occur and I don't believe that anything other than death should be an option for those offenders. Should it be done in a humane fashion? Yes but frankly, the offender gave no thought of humane treatment to their victim so I see no reason to do anything other than we already have to insure their sentence is carried out any more humane than is already done. I strongly oppose the death penalty for drug offenses, I believe the crime should fit the punishment and as just one example, the thought of death for some stupid 18 year old kid who was dealing in marijuana just makes me angry. Over the years it has been proven time and time again that the death penalty does not deter crime, if it did we would have far less people sitting on death row. Is the current justice system flawed, it most certainly is but until something better comes along we are in fact stuck with what we have. Does that mean we should just throw up our hands and leave it flawed? No but how many people actually feel strongly enough about it to join as one mass and attempt to change it? Regardless of how anyone feels about our current government the fact still remains that the United States still moves at the voice of those masses, isn't it about time the people started telling the government what it is they want? I think so.
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12-03-2005, 06:06 PM	#13 (permalink)
StephanieandTeddy I knew love. I had a dog. Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Victoria, BC Posts: 385 Rep Power: 80	I believe the punishment should fit the crime. In this case it did not. The Death Penalty is handed down too freely, IMO....I don't believe it deters crime...I would also worry about people being falsely accused. There have been some instances where new DNA evidence has freed people ... I believe that in countries that have "caning" there is very little recidivism. Maybe something to think about...

12-04-2005, 04:29 AM	#15 (permalink)
Shalva Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: here...pointing to palm of right hand Posts: 442 Rep Power: 0	I dont know, did the punishment fit the crime??? now keep in mind that I dont approve of the death penalty at all under any circumstances but if you are going to be in favor of it..... Drugs cause a great deal of damage to society..... murders while people are high, auto fatalities, suicides, accidental overdoses, domestic violence, burglaries..... alcohol and drugs are the root causes of many of societies ills..... In some sense Singapore has decided to punish to the extreme the people who are introducing the root problem, doesn't one drug trafficker do more overall damage than the isolated murder or even the serial killer who kills ten people???? if he was carrying 400 grams of heroine..... (now keep in mind that hte illegalization of heroin is a whole other political quandary) but if each person buys a gram.... you have now impacted 400 people ..... and what will the future impact of that be? just seems like a case could be made that trafficking drugs could actually do more societal damage and that the punishment may well be justified..... if you are to back the death penalty ..... it seems that the root of the problem needs to be addressed vs. the symptoms of that problem. S

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