A pure breed for everyone huh? Not that I could find

[c0_re]

I disagree I wanted to following in a dog and could not find it in any "pure breed" available.

Medium size (45 lbs or less)
Minimum barking!(ankle biters\barkers need not apply)
Active but ok crated up while I'm at work for 6-8 hours 3-5 days.
Healthy
Easily trainable(Wants to please ME)
NEEDS to get along well with Children and cats
Needs to be able to go anywhere with me summer or winter(including crowds and hiking)
Minimum shedding and Maintence(IMO diet can heavily effect this one)
Naturally Friendly disposition

The closest I could come to something that fit all this criteria was a full size english bulldog but they have more health issues than I can count, can't handle hot humid weather and turn into couch potatoes as they grow old not to mention having an extremely short lifespan for a 1500.00$

After 2 years of research and soul searching I finally found out about the "Miniature English Bulldogs" now I don't really condone called them that when someone asks me what he is I tell them a Miniature bulldog if they are truly interested I tell them that the breed was created in the 80's by adding 1\8 French Bulldog and 1\8 Pug to 3\4 English Bulldog

I feed him Nutro adult Max he gets 2 walks a day AND atleast an hour of training\playtime with me.

My boy is a year old now and has turned out EXACTLY how the breeder described and is perfectly healthy. 99% of Miniature Bulldog breeders are also standard English Bulldog breeders.(Mine had bred full size for 15 years and mini's for 9) I was able to go pick up my puppy in person and see this all the puppies were along side standard English Bulldogs and the puppies.

So before all you people jump to conclusions about hybrids try to keep an open mind not all hybrids are modern "poodle" crosses and that 95% of breeds came from another breed at one time.

[Shalva]

portuguese water dog.....
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[rottnpagan]

I'll be interested to see what Crossfire's thoughts are on miniture bulldogs. I know that it's been done (or attempted) in Rottweilers and it's horrible.

[Novel]

I was thinking Vizsla female or small m ale.

But what you're really getting into is that you feel that this breeder is somehow filling a niche that has not been filled previously. Although I disagree with that right there, let's say for a moment that this person was breeding something that was meeting all of your needs.
How many of these does this person breed a year? Are you buying them all? Are all the other people buying them have the exact same standards as you, or could they have been happily met by an actual purebred dog. What happens to all of the dogs that this person breeds that don't turn out?
Finally, and I'm making this short, because I don't want to seem too offensive, but at a year of age, you have very little idea of what the dog is going to be for life. He is still a puppy, he hasn't even stopped growing yet! You have no indication of future health problems, and depending on when his parents were bred, you have very little idea of what their health problems are or will be. Do you have a pedigree with characteristics, traits, pictures and health records 3, 4 and 5 generations back?

[rottnpagan]

Basenji

Medium size (45 lbs or less) 22-24 lbs
Minimum barking!(ankle biters\barkers need not apply) VERY quiet dogs. Noted for their unusual sounds.
Active but ok crated up while I'm at work for 6-8 hours 3-5 days. With training to accept the crate, I would imagine.
Healthy When purchased from a reputable breeder who does health certification.
Easily trainable(Wants to please ME) Highly intelligent.
NEEDS to get along well with Children and cats With training and socialization, just like all dogs.
Needs to be able to go anywhere with me summer or winter(including crowds and hiking) Why not?
Minimum shedding and Maintence(IMO diet can heavily effect this one)short-haired
Naturally Friendly disposition Affectionate and alert.

[linnie]

While I have nothing against a cross bred dog personally, I wouldnt deliberately do it. The 3 breeds you say your pet has in him would suggest to me breathing problems and I dont see minimum hair loss either.. only the fact its short hair.
I wonder how they keep the percentage of different dog characturistics in the breed??

[TribalRats]

So before all you people jump to conclusions about hybrids try to keep an open mind not all hybrids are modern "poodle" crosses and that 95% of breeds came from another breed at one time.

When someone comes on the board an immediately starts making blanket statements like "you people" it makes it difficult to keep an open mind about much in my opinion.

[Tiffany0204]

Originally Posted by TribalRats

When someone comes on the board an immediately starts making blanket statements like "you people" it makes it difficult to keep an open mind about much in my opinion.

Well said! I was just thinking the same thing! When I was looking at the criteria of what was "wanted" for a dog, they're pretty vauge discriptions at best. I mean, it's not like the original poster was saying stuff like "Must be brown fur, curly. Must have blue eyes and only barks at the sight of a full moon in the summer's equinox."

To me it sounds like the original poster didn't research as well as they have claimed to. With ALL the breeds that are out there, I have a very hard time believing that not ONE of them could be found. Then throw in the whole "You people" comment, and it looks to me like someone just wants to argue, not debate.

Just my opinon though.

[Shalva]

Originally Posted by TribalRats

When someone comes on the board an immediately starts making blanket statements like "you people" it makes it difficult to keep an open mind about much in my opinion.

very true,.... just looking for an argument.... seems like its the season.
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[c0_re]

Originally Posted by Novel

I was thinking Vizsla female or small m ale.

But what you're really getting into is that you feel that this breeder is somehow filling a niche that has not been filled previously. Although I disagree with that right there, let's say for a moment that this person was breeding something that was meeting all of your needs.
How many of these does this person breed a year? Are you buying them all? Are all the other people buying them have the exact same standards as you, or could they have been happily met by an actual purebred dog. What happens to all of the dogs that this person breeds that don't turn out?
Finally, and I'm making this short, because I don't want to seem too offensive, but at a year of age, you have very little idea of what the dog is going to be for life. He is still a puppy, he hasn't even stopped growing yet! You have no indication of future health problems, and depending on when his parents were bred, you have very little idea of what their health problems are or will be. Do you have a pedigree with characteristics, traits, pictures and health records 3, 4 and 5 generations back?

WOW an actual active forum I can't believe it! Thanks you all for your replies, I really do appreciate constructive criticism.

OK yes of course your right about him only being a year old most of your standard Bulldogs don't experience their health problem until later in their lives.

I spoke with 13 owners of mini bullldogs from this breeder not a single one of them has had ANY major health issues and they were all madly in love with their mini's and spoke to the disposition of their mini bullies well.

The #1 reason this breed was created was to try and breed out all the health issues withthe full size bullies, they are NOT show dogs they are purely bred to be companion dogs.

My breeder breeds for these traits in this order
1.Health
2.Disposistion
3.Looks

Keep in mind the mini's are not toys, they are only about 20%-30% smaller than the standard and don't share many of the health characteristics or looks of the full size dogs.

As far as how well they sell look it up yourself, you have to be on a waiting list to even get one of these things my breeder always has all her puppies pre sold before they even reach 8 weeks and are old enough to be removed from the liter.

Again they have been around since the 80's they are not new just gaining in popularity. Do a search for miniature English bulldogs and you'll find a wealth of information.

here's a small clip not from my breeder but this seems to be the general consensus of everyone I speak with.

"Miniature English Bulldog

- These dogs were developed in the 1980's to improve the health and reduce the size of the full sized English Bulldog. Miniature Bulldogs are an improved dog whose behavior, looks, and health are ideal for the Bulldog lover. They have the features of full size English Bulldogs. As in the full size, there are variations in Miniature features. The Miniatures are very active and are loving, obedient, protective companions. They are loyal, people oriented and like to do things with you. Groom once a week, pay special attention to the ears and face. Small yards will do for exercising. Weight can range from 20 to 40 lbs. These dogs typically stand 12-14" at the shoulders, length is 17-24". Contact the dog breeders below for your next family friend."

Sorry I don't have any pics online but there's many available on the net(can you attach pictures here?)

All I'm asking is that people keep an open mind, I'm a serious dog owner I've had everything from GSD, to Sib huskies to wiener dogs(to lazy to look up how to spell dauchsond right now) As long as I live I own one of these animals(even though GSD's are overall my favorite dogs)

[c0_re]

Originally Posted by TribalRats

When someone comes on the board an immediately starts making blanket statements like "you people" it makes it difficult to keep an open mind about much in my opinion.

I apologize was not meant to be like that, I've just gotten this same blanket attitude about hybrids from most on the internet. Again I apologize sometimes I'm not as sensitive as I should be with other people I work with machines for a living. :-) I'd rather spend time with my dog(s) than most poeple I meet as it seems to be more fullfilling(for both of us) in the long run.



Of course you can teach just about any dog to act a certain way(1\2 of my dogs over the years have been rescued) but I want a dog that NATRAULLY displays the charerteristics I want this is all I could find.

Someone please point me towards a breed desription page that shows me of a pure breed dog that fits all of my descriptions without challenging the natural charecterists of the dog and changing them mentally and emotionally.

Again I'm sorry about the attitude was not intended at all

[TribalRats]

I apologize was not meant to be like that,

I appriciate the apology and I am glad it was not meant to be offensive.

I've just gotten this same blanket attitute about hybrids from most on the internet.

I understand that and there are alot here who do not feel that there is a need for designer dogs which no matter how you look at it this is a designer dog, I am one of them.
That said it does not mean you would be attacked for loving yours! Give people a chance to make you mad and then form your opinions about this site.
In my experiences GP is like no other forum I have found. This is a very diverse group (that's what makes it such a great place) with many different ideas on things...there for you should get to know everyone here before you assume we are like everyone else...you know what you get when you assume right?
By the way...Welcome to Global Paw!

[Spiritus]

Heck, I've met Belgians that fit into the original description....


Hybrid dogs.... there is no such thing. To produce a true hybrid, one must intermingle two species. Since all breeds of dogs are the same species, they are not hybrids, they are mixed breed dogs.

Nothing against mixed breed dogs - I just have "issues" with the fancy words used to describe mixed breed animals.

Jeeze, you breed an Arabian horse to a Thoroughbred, you don't get a "hybrid" horse....

[c0_re]

Well I've read allot and talked to allot of folks, and I've found some breeds that some people say would fit my needs but then I talk to someone else about the same breed and get conflicting stories. This was the only "breed" that I got consistent feedback about their disposition. Could I be wrong, of course I'm wrong all the time but I wanted as close to a guarantee as I could realistically get. The full size english bulldog fit many of my requirements perfectly, but there was just to many drawbacks as they got older.

YES I got a 1 year heart, hip and lifetime genetic defect guarantee, I can visit the breeder and bring him back to play with the adults at any time, to bad it's like 400 miles away.

The only breed I could find that had TRULY minimum barking was the bulldog family(I've owner rescue pits b4 as well), I don't mind the grunting and snoring in fact I kind of secretly like it. the only time he ever barks is during extreme play when he's bouncing off the walls and playing with the neighbors dogs.

Like I said GSD’s are my favorite hands down but I don’t feel I have the time\space to properly train a GSD to my liking(or that he\she would deserve) and they don’t fit into my current requirements, if they were 1\3 of the size I’d be in line to get one even though they don’t fit ALL my needs I’d be willing to forget about the barking thing and just make the neighbors deal with it. I won't be in a town house forever but for atleast the next 5 years I'll have to limit the type and # of dogs I own not my choice.

[rottnpagan]

How is making a smaller bulldog going to eliminate health issues? I would think compressing the body would make things worse, not better.