Breeding Rules to far fetched??

Dogsareme · 02-03-2006, 03:02 PM

Hi,

I want to hear what everyone has to say about breeding rules.

Personally in my opinion, I think as long as the dog is healthy,(OFA certified) and well tempermented thats perfect.(both parents)
I don't think they should have to come from a showline. They don't need titles or certificates. It does not define the dog.

I know a lot of people who want to buy a dog for a companion, not to show. It's all fine a dandy to sell dogs at a high price to weed out the baddies, that's not a problem, but to sell a dog for $2000 I think that's getting to be a bit ridiculous, and expecially when it's because it's SHOW QUALITY.

*note*I have nothing against people who like to show, that's fine. I'm not trying to offend anyone, just want to state my opinion. Also this is not a personal issue. I'm not interested in breeding

What about the things they disqualify for (once again this is refering to the breeding because they don't want to breed these disqualification) like a pink nose, or a grey patch, - if the dog has the perfect health (OFA Certified) and perfect temperment, but a pink nose/grey patch, why can't they be breed? It is still breeding to better the breed isn't? There is just no point for this disqualification. They do not make a dog not sound in health and temperment.
And a PERFECT (no disqualifacations) looking dogs had this dog..... so what is the problem?? Should that dog be breed again??
How does that ruin the breed if in every other important way, they are perfect???

I really think the rules are out of hand, it's like racism toward dogs.
These so called disqualification are all superficial.
They are man made opinions with no real reason behind them.

rutylr · 02-03-2006, 03:39 PM

I think there should be stricter rules for breeding .
Dogs should have titles at both ends before being bred,not after.
Dogs need to prove they are worthy of being bred.Working dogs need working titles to prove they can do the job the breed was bred to do.Work.
Too many people breed to win.Just because dogs are winning does not mean they meet the standard.A handler can finish any thing.
OFA means nothing in Rottweilers because if they don't pass ,but are still winning you can breed them anyway.The other good parts out weight the one.
All breeders should be breeding to improve what they have not breed to win or make a name for them selves.
Breeders owe it to the people who founded the breed and the future owners of the breed to only breed the best.
Donna

Dogsareme · 02-03-2006, 03:52 PM

I think too that dogs should be breed for working qualities not, show qualities. Show qualities do not prove or define the dog.

Rule should be stricter for breeding. But I think piddly little disqualifications such as a pink nose are non-sense when the dog is perfect in all the important ways.

Dogs were originally used for work. How do you know a show dog could prove it's self in the work it was originally breed for?

Husky for example, an easy one - Sled dog. A Husky dog in the show ring, is he going to be able to pull? Has he ever been put to the test? Is he to easily distracted that he would veer off course, etc???Should he really be breed if he can't pull??
Now the pink nose husky, he can pull. He has proven himself. He is OFA certified and has the perfect temperment. Who should be breed??

Is that not what breeding should be based on? Dogs are ment to work. Herding, gaurding, sledding, tracking, hunting, seeing eye dogs, dog's for the physically disabled.... that is what breeding should be based on... who cares about the pink nose... or the titles.....

I think the rules of breeding need to be re-thought. They are losing site of why dogs where breed in the first place....

elegy · 02-03-2006, 03:56 PM

disagree.

i think showing is important and it has nothing to do with being showring pretty. it has everything to do with correct structure. structure is so important to the dog. it affects their health. it also shows that the owner is committed enough to making sure that their dogs fit the breed standard, which is there for a reason, as well as comitted to the complete package.

i think performance titles are just as important, especially in working and sporting breeds.

and last but not least, health certs, but health certs are only part of the whole picture.

there are so many problems with dogs today healthwise and temperament wise, that i can't understand why anybody would want less proving and less testing to be the norm. personally i don't think it's happening enough! there are far too many dogs being bred already, at least in the us, and even if they were all perfect specimins of their breeds, there are too many dogs out there already. we don't need more.

shandoggy1 · 02-03-2006, 04:00 PM

If you want to read more on Breeding and showing then go to the thread that I started about 2 weeks ago. It is in the breeding concerns section and is titled Breeding vs. Breeding & Showing

Raised By Wolves · 02-03-2006, 04:01 PM

I know very little about showing and/or breeding. But, although I love GSDs, I would not want a show line dog.

I really have to wonder how athletically functional their ultra sloping hindquarters and pastern walking, is in real life. It's all I can do to watch them in the ring.

If I ever owned another GSD, it would be from a working line. I wouldn't care at all if it had show ring winners in it's history. In fact, that would be a mark against the line, for me.

shandoggy1 · 02-03-2006, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raised By Wolves

I know very little about showing and/or breeding. But, although I love GSDs, I would not want a show line dog.

I really have to wonder how athletically functional their ultra sloping hindquarters and pastern walking, is in real life. It's all I can do to watch them in the ring.

If I ever owned another GSD, it would be from a working line. I wouldn't care at all if it had show ring winners in it's history. In fact, that would be a mark against the line, for me.

I agree with you. I hate the AKC looking GSD's I prefer the German Bred ones and not the american lines there back end looks to deformed for me. Just my two cents

Dogsareme · 02-03-2006, 04:17 PM

Just so everyone knows I don't think just any dog should be breed. I already put in the previous posts what I think it should be based on.
The breeding rules should be tightened, but more so leaning towards a dogs work ethics/health/temperment. Structure, yes, is important (have to agree about the GSD structure mention above) but is a pink nose really all that bad??? To not breed????
We need less breeders. Alot of show people breed there dogs regardless of titles and championships, just to try produce a better show dog. That's not the way it should be either.

TribalRats · 02-03-2006, 04:20 PM

Here a few more threads o this issue.

http://www.globalpaw.com/thread5370.html
http://www.globalpaw.com/thread2016.html
http://www.globalpaw.com/thread9653.html
http://www.globalpaw.com/thread13569.html

bigdoglover · 02-03-2006, 04:21 PM

*Disclaimer--I have a slew of thoughts on this topic, and they are like a tornado in my head, so I apologize if this post jumps randomly, without any order....*
The show ring was originally designed by breeders to show the best specimen of their breed. It still has that basic premis. Schutzhund was designed by breeders to prove the courage, temperment, and control of their breed. Again, it still has this basic background. With the media and the world being so advanced, we get to see more than we ever did. Buyers today don't have to worry about what breeds are local, since they can look through the internet and find whatever they want. Before TV and internet, you had to rely on what was close. I think this made breeders more accountable, due to the fact that if a person was interested, yet didn't feel it was a good specimen, then they simply wouldn't buy the dog.

Now, a pink nose, or grey spot, is a sign of a recessive gene from somewhere in the pool. Could be grandparents, or 5xgreat grandparents. The reason for such strict breed standards is because somewhere in the past, this trait was a problem. Something caused it to happen, and the breeders didn't want it. So they worked hard to breed it out. Yes, occassionaly it will pop up, and that is why good breeders today work so hard to keep their lines as "perfect" as possible.

My other thought on this is, yes, working dogs should have some proof of their heritage. I think if you have a BC in the show ring, I also want to see them work. Prove to me the total package is there. I'm not talking Westminster show, but something even through a local club that says "Yes, this dog meets the standard in conformation". Granted, some dogs cannot prove their ability, as it has been outlawed (bullbaiting, etc) however they do excel in other areas...pulling, carting, agility, etc.

As for price....being as I have working dogs, (and I'm sure the show people will agree) the training and trials/shows are expensive. Do we expect to retrieve any of that cost through the sale of our pups? No. But we do believe that you get what you pay for. Our dogs have proven themselves in one area or another, and those of us that have taken the time to do our homework, can atest to the hours of work it takes to get just what we were looking for. Isn't our time worth something?

Now, I'm going to present an analogy, and will probably get flammed for it *puts on suit* but this is one way you can look at it....

What is the price difference between a small economy car with no extras and no warranty vs. a Mazarati? Time, effort, research, and attention to detail are what make the Mazarati more expensive. You are paying for quality, reliability, and a lifetime of service. (I was going to put 'Yugo' instead of small car, but realized some folks don't know what that is...lol) I know, dogs are not cars...they are living, breathing members of our family. But do you want one that has an unreliable temperment, loaded with issues both mentally and physically, or one that is guaranteed to bring you a lifetime of happiness?

As confusing as it may sound, that is my view on it. I'm sure I left out several thoughts, but in a nutshell, that's about it. JMO

D.Schäferhund · 02-03-2006, 06:19 PM

Well
Yeah i truly believe there should be tighter standards!!!Last years Westminster GSD wasn't too bad, well still bad enough, but this years Eucanuba GSD oh my gosh....
I felt ashamed!!!
But there is hope atleast for the GSDs there is the USCA that works tightly with the SV to get the breedstandars recognized. i hope all the other dogclubs will start following and include these standards in thier shows.
I really hope they help to better the breed. Because even the showlines in Germany for the GSDs have to have a working title....

I don't know much about the other breedclubs, and how they try to preserve the breedstandard. but I hop they try their best and help getting the workabilities back in their showlines.
I know that there are a lot of dogs in the ring that still do their work, and I thank the owners for it that they keep them working, Titles or not. But it prooves that they still can.
Maybe it will get mandatory and a set rule to most of the dogsbreeds.
I teally hope so anyways.
And I tottally agree with bigdoglover, yeah it is a interesting comparison "Dog -Car" but it hits the point.
(Eventhough the Yugo was very endurent.... well a basic model, but not bad....;-))

Novel · 02-03-2006, 07:29 PM

Right there with ya BDL.... I want the best, and that's what I am willing to pay for.

mrsgrubby · 02-03-2006, 07:41 PM

Not all breeders charge $2000 for their dogs. But I'll tell you two things and then shut up.

My first rottie was from a byb who had georgous dogs with fantastic temperments and at the age they were bred (2 years and 4 years) they were very healthy, and AKC registered.

Well the rottie ended up costing me over $10,000 in vet bills. She was just as georgous and friendly as her parents, but NOT as healthy, ...and who knows, maybe as they go older they were not healthy either..... But at the time I bought the pup, they had vet records proving the health of the parents. The pup ended up with thyroid problems and on meds twice a day for 6 years. She also had horrible anal gland issues and after $2,000 in meds and vet calls, we had to have them removed. She also had a shoulder problem, chronic ear infections, a jaw operation, and numerous other issues..... Do I wish I would have bought a $2,000 dog? Yes!!!! It would have been cheaper in the long run.

My other thought is this....BDL saw a "poo mix" in the pet store the other day for $2,500. Now if people are paying that kind of money for "poo mixes" why shouldn't good breeders receive the same kind of money for their well bred dogs?

J_A_IT · 02-03-2006, 08:19 PM

If a dog is able to prove it can work, such as the Sporting or Herding breeds, they should have titles on both ends of their name. It would be great if other breeds had them too.

BUT-- some things that sound superficial are actually there for a reason. Take the white boxer for an example. Not all white boxers are blind or deaf, but they may pass down that gene and its progeny could be blind/deaf. Or, the albino or "white" doberman. They can't be shown, and it and it's relatives now have the "Z" factor. It's just a "superficial" rule, right? WRONG. How can albino dobermans work when they are sensitive to sunlight?

As for the husky analogy, if that is the case, hopefully neither one will be bred. They aren't a rare breed by any means, and I'm sure there are plenty of dogs out there that can do both. ALTHOUGH, some breeds have both working and show "strains." In that case, for the working strains, function comes before form. I don't have a problem if those people breed their dogs, given they can ACTUALLY do their job, and their progeny will as well. But, if you aren't planning on working your dog, you probably want a dog that looks like their breed. If I want a doberman, I want a doberman, not a dog that looks like a rottweiler.

You may think that I'm saying a dog should only bred if it's "pretty" (and healthy and good temperment, etc.) and working only if they're going to work, but with all the huskies, dobies, etc. in shelters, "just pets" shouldn't be bred. I mean, what's wrong with the poor dogs in shelters that just aren't "pretty enough"?

Dogsareme · 02-03-2006, 09:17 PM

I am saying that to breed a dog that yes they have to be healthy(OFA certified) and well tempered.
I just have to mention that again, because I think some missed it. I would never by any means say breed a dog because it looks good and can do it's job right.
The Husky situation was only hypothetical.
I bought my Shih-tzu/Lhasa Apso from a BYB, and he has never had a single problem with his health. He has never had to be brought to the vet for anything, other then routine shots.
My Akita I bought from a breeder (he's 10 months), with champion lines and OFA certification. Well something is wrong with his back left leg and we are unsure right now what it is.
My Alaskan Malamute/Pitbull is a rescue from a careless dog owner. She is young right now but no problems at all.

I just think standards to breed do need to be tightened. I can understand why you don't want to breed white boxers, dobermanns and german shephards, I've read up on that. I would not want those passed down either.

I just think a few of the other things are superficial. Like a grey spot. I just think it the dog is proven in every other way it would be okay.

There are so many breeders out there right now, that I would never want to go into it anyway. I don't want to contribute, even if it is to better.

I will stick with helping rescues and abandoned dogs.

I just think the standards do need to be tightened and just see different means of tightening.

02-03-2006, 03:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
Dogsareme Kaede, Mudd & Kyrel Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 584 Rep Power: 67	Breeding Rules to far fetched?? Hi, I want to hear what everyone has to say about breeding rules. Personally in my opinion, I think as long as the dog is healthy,(OFA certified) and well tempermented thats perfect.(both parents) I don't think they should have to come from a showline. They don't need titles or certificates. It does not define the dog. I know a lot of people who want to buy a dog for a companion, not to show. It's all fine a dandy to sell dogs at a high price to weed out the baddies, that's not a problem, but to sell a dog for $2000 I think that's getting to be a bit ridiculous, and expecially when it's because it's SHOW QUALITY. noteI have nothing against people who like to show, that's fine. I'm not trying to offend anyone, just want to state my opinion. Also this is not a personal issue. I'm not interested in breeding What about the things they disqualify for (once again this is refering to the breeding because they don't want to breed these disqualification) like a pink nose, or a grey patch, - if the dog has the perfect health (OFA Certified) and perfect temperment, but a pink nose/grey patch, why can't they be breed? It is still breeding to better the breed isn't? There is just no point for this disqualification. They do not make a dog not sound in health and temperment. And a PERFECT (no disqualifacations) looking dogs had this dog..... so what is the problem?? Should that dog be breed again?? How does that ruin the breed if in every other important way, they are perfect??? I really think the rules are out of hand, it's like racism toward dogs. These so called disqualification are all superficial. They are man made opinions with no real reason behind them.

02-03-2006, 03:39 PM	#2 (permalink)
rutylr Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sheboygan,WI Posts: 205 Rep Power: 60	I think there should be stricter rules for breeding . Dogs should have titles at both ends before being bred,not after. Dogs need to prove they are worthy of being bred.Working dogs need working titles to prove they can do the job the breed was bred to do.Work. Too many people breed to win.Just because dogs are winning does not mean they meet the standard.A handler can finish any thing. OFA means nothing in Rottweilers because if they don't pass ,but are still winning you can breed them anyway.The other good parts out weight the one. All breeders should be breeding to improve what they have not breed to win or make a name for them selves. Breeders owe it to the people who founded the breed and the future owners of the breed to only breed the best. Donna
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02-03-2006, 03:56 PM	#4 (permalink)
elegy American Pit Bull Terrier Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,073 Rep Power: 105	disagree. i think showing is important and it has nothing to do with being showring pretty. it has everything to do with correct structure. structure is so important to the dog. it affects their health. it also shows that the owner is committed enough to making sure that their dogs fit the breed standard, which is there for a reason, as well as comitted to the complete package. i think performance titles are just as important, especially in working and sporting breeds. and last but not least, health certs, but health certs are only part of the whole picture. there are so many problems with dogs today healthwise and temperament wise, that i can't understand why anybody would want less proving and less testing to be the norm. personally i don't think it's happening enough! there are far too many dogs being bred already, at least in the us, and even if they were all perfect specimins of their breeds, there are too many dogs out there already. we don't need more.
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02-03-2006, 04:00 PM	#5 (permalink)
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02-03-2006, 04:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
Raised By Wolves Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,523 Rep Power: 123	I know very little about showing and/or breeding. But, although I love GSDs, I would not want a show line dog. I really have to wonder how athletically functional their ultra sloping hindquarters and pastern walking, is in real life. It's all I can do to watch them in the ring. If I ever owned another GSD, it would be from a working line. I wouldn't care at all if it had show ring winners in it's history. In fact, that would be a mark against the line, for me.
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02-03-2006, 03:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
Dogsareme Kaede, Mudd & Kyrel Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 584 Rep Power: 67	I think too that dogs should be breed for working qualities not, show qualities. Show qualities do not prove or define the dog. Rule should be stricter for breeding. But I think piddly little disqualifications such as a pink nose are non-sense when the dog is perfect in all the important ways. Dogs were originally used for work. How do you know a show dog could prove it's self in the work it was originally breed for? Husky for example, an easy one - Sled dog. A Husky dog in the show ring, is he going to be able to pull? Has he ever been put to the test? Is he to easily distracted that he would veer off course, etc???Should he really be breed if he can't pull?? Now the pink nose husky, he can pull. He has proven himself. He is OFA certified and has the perfect temperment. Who should be breed?? Is that not what breeding should be based on? Dogs are ment to work. Herding, gaurding, sledding, tracking, hunting, seeing eye dogs, dog's for the physically disabled.... that is what breeding should be based on... who cares about the pink nose... or the titles..... I think the rules of breeding need to be re-thought. They are losing site of why dogs where breed in the first place....

02-03-2006, 04:17 PM	#8 (permalink)
Dogsareme Kaede, Mudd & Kyrel Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 584 Rep Power: 67	Just so everyone knows I don't think just any dog should be breed. I already put in the previous posts what I think it should be based on. The breeding rules should be tightened, but more so leaning towards a dogs work ethics/health/temperment. Structure, yes, is important (have to agree about the GSD structure mention above) but is a pink nose really all that bad??? To not breed???? We need less breeders. Alot of show people breed there dogs regardless of titles and championships, just to try produce a better show dog. That's not the way it should be either.

02-03-2006, 04:20 PM	#9 (permalink)
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02-03-2006, 04:21 PM	#10 (permalink)
bigdoglover Giant Schnauzers Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: West-Central Illinois Posts: 3,624 Rep Power: 172	Disclaimer--I have a slew of thoughts on this topic, and they are like a tornado in my head, so I apologize if this post jumps randomly, without any order.... The show ring was originally designed by breeders to show the best specimen of their breed. It still has that basic premis. Schutzhund was designed by breeders to prove the courage, temperment, and control of their breed. Again, it still has this basic background. With the media and the world being so advanced, we get to see more than we ever did. Buyers today don't have to worry about what breeds are local, since they can look through the internet and find whatever they want. Before TV and internet, you had to rely on what was close. I think this made breeders more accountable, due to the fact that if a person was interested, yet didn't feel it was a good specimen, then they simply wouldn't buy the dog. Now, a pink nose, or grey spot, is a sign of a recessive gene from somewhere in the pool. Could be grandparents, or 5xgreat grandparents. The reason for such strict breed standards is because somewhere in the past, this trait was a problem. Something caused it to happen, and the breeders didn't want it. So they worked hard to breed it out. Yes, occassionaly it will pop up, and that is why good breeders today work so hard to keep their lines as "perfect" as possible. My other thought on this is, yes, working dogs should have some proof of their heritage. I think if you have a BC in the show ring, I also want to see them work. Prove to me the total package is there. I'm not talking Westminster show, but something even through a local club that says "Yes, this dog meets the standard in conformation". Granted, some dogs cannot prove their ability, as it has been outlawed (bullbaiting, etc) however they do excel in other areas...pulling, carting, agility, etc. As for price....being as I have working dogs, (and I'm sure the show people will agree) the training and trials/shows are expensive. Do we expect to retrieve any of that cost through the sale of our pups? No. But we do believe that you get what you pay for. Our dogs have proven themselves in one area or another, and those of us that have taken the time to do our homework, can atest to the hours of work it takes to get just what we were looking for. Isn't our time worth something? Now, I'm going to present an analogy, and will probably get flammed for it puts on suit but this is one way you can look at it.... What is the price difference between a small economy car with no extras and no warranty vs. a Mazarati? Time, effort, research, and attention to detail are what make the Mazarati more expensive. You are paying for quality, reliability, and a lifetime of service. (I was going to put 'Yugo' instead of small car, but realized some folks don't know what that is...lol) I know, dogs are not cars...they are living, breathing members of our family. But do you want one that has an unreliable temperment, loaded with issues both mentally and physically, or one that is guaranteed to bring you a lifetime of happiness? As confusing as it may sound, that is my view on it. I'm sure I left out several thoughts, but in a nutshell, that's about it. JMO
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02-03-2006, 06:19 PM	#11 (permalink)
D.Schäferhund let's work Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Kansas Posts: 1,747 Rep Power: 107	Well Yeah i truly believe there should be tighter standards!!!Last years Westminster GSD wasn't too bad, well still bad enough, but this years Eucanuba GSD oh my gosh.... I felt ashamed!!! But there is hope atleast for the GSDs there is the USCA that works tightly with the SV to get the breedstandars recognized. i hope all the other dogclubs will start following and include these standards in thier shows. I really hope they help to better the breed. Because even the showlines in Germany for the GSDs have to have a working title.... I don't know much about the other breedclubs, and how they try to preserve the breedstandard. but I hop they try their best and help getting the workabilities back in their showlines. I know that there are a lot of dogs in the ring that still do their work, and I thank the owners for it that they keep them working, Titles or not. But it prooves that they still can. Maybe it will get mandatory and a set rule to most of the dogsbreeds. I teally hope so anyways. And I tottally agree with bigdoglover, yeah it is a interesting comparison "Dog -Car" but it hits the point. (Eventhough the Yugo was very endurent.... well a basic model, but not bad....;-))

02-03-2006, 07:29 PM	#12 (permalink)
Novel Boxer Mom Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 4,852 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 213	Right there with ya BDL.... I want the best, and that's what I am willing to pay for.

02-03-2006, 07:41 PM	#13 (permalink)
mrsgrubby Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,476 Rep Power: 140	Not all breeders charge $2000 for their dogs. But I'll tell you two things and then shut up. My first rottie was from a byb who had georgous dogs with fantastic temperments and at the age they were bred (2 years and 4 years) they were very healthy, and AKC registered. Well the rottie ended up costing me over $10,000 in vet bills. She was just as georgous and friendly as her parents, but NOT as healthy, ...and who knows, maybe as they go older they were not healthy either..... But at the time I bought the pup, they had vet records proving the health of the parents. The pup ended up with thyroid problems and on meds twice a day for 6 years. She also had horrible anal gland issues and after $2,000 in meds and vet calls, we had to have them removed. She also had a shoulder problem, chronic ear infections, a jaw operation, and numerous other issues..... Do I wish I would have bought a $2,000 dog? Yes!!!! It would have been cheaper in the long run. My other thought is this....BDL saw a "poo mix" in the pet store the other day for $2,500. Now if people are paying that kind of money for "poo mixes" why shouldn't good breeders receive the same kind of money for their well bred dogs?

02-03-2006, 08:19 PM	#14 (permalink)
J_A_IT Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 35 Rep Power: 0	If a dog is able to prove it can work, such as the Sporting or Herding breeds, they should have titles on both ends of their name. It would be great if other breeds had them too. BUT-- some things that sound superficial are actually there for a reason. Take the white boxer for an example. Not all white boxers are blind or deaf, but they may pass down that gene and its progeny could be blind/deaf. Or, the albino or "white" doberman. They can't be shown, and it and it's relatives now have the "Z" factor. It's just a "superficial" rule, right? WRONG. How can albino dobermans work when they are sensitive to sunlight? As for the husky analogy, if that is the case, hopefully neither one will be bred. They aren't a rare breed by any means, and I'm sure there are plenty of dogs out there that can do both. ALTHOUGH, some breeds have both working and show "strains." In that case, for the working strains, function comes before form. I don't have a problem if those people breed their dogs, given they can ACTUALLY do their job, and their progeny will as well. But, if you aren't planning on working your dog, you probably want a dog that looks like their breed. If I want a doberman, I want a doberman, not a dog that looks like a rottweiler. You may think that I'm saying a dog should only bred if it's "pretty" (and healthy and good temperment, etc.) and working only if they're going to work, but with all the huskies, dobies, etc. in shelters, "just pets" shouldn't be bred. I mean, what's wrong with the poor dogs in shelters that just aren't "pretty enough"?
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02-03-2006, 09:17 PM	#15 (permalink)
Dogsareme Kaede, Mudd & Kyrel Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 584 Rep Power: 67	I am saying that to breed a dog that yes they have to be healthy(OFA certified) and well tempered. I just have to mention that again, because I think some missed it. I would never by any means say breed a dog because it looks good and can do it's job right. The Husky situation was only hypothetical. I bought my Shih-tzu/Lhasa Apso from a BYB, and he has never had a single problem with his health. He has never had to be brought to the vet for anything, other then routine shots. My Akita I bought from a breeder (he's 10 months), with champion lines and OFA certification. Well something is wrong with his back left leg and we are unsure right now what it is. My Alaskan Malamute/Pitbull is a rescue from a careless dog owner. She is young right now but no problems at all. I just think standards to breed do need to be tightened. I can understand why you don't want to breed white boxers, dobermanns and german shephards, I've read up on that. I would not want those passed down either. I just think a few of the other things are superficial. Like a grey spot. I just think it the dog is proven in every other way it would be okay. There are so many breeders out there right now, that I would never want to go into it anyway. I don't want to contribute, even if it is to better. I will stick with helping rescues and abandoned dogs. I just think the standards do need to be tightened and just see different means of tightening.

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