dog population solution????

linnie · 05-24-2006, 08:20 PM

Do you think that if responsible dog owners and breeders selectively allowed certain breeds to die out ( not be culled but by spayng/neutering)
getting back to some basic breeds without all the choices that this would be a positive or negative step??
i wondered if it might lessen the majority of unwanted dogs by making them not as easily available.
Or do you think it mught just encourage bybs??

Dogsareme · 05-24-2006, 10:35 PM

That is a good question.

Back in the beginning of time we sure were not able to be selective about the breeds that we wanted.
I think if the 'tough' breeds were harder for just anyone to get that it would be great. Then we would not have that over population of Pitbulls and Rotti's. Actually there are also alot of Labs too.

In some senses it would be a positive step.
Most dogs are no longer used for what they use to be breed for. So it might actually be a positive if all people wanted was a house companion. Then hopefully most of those dogs would be welled tempered and no one would have pitbulls and such because they are working dogs.
Of course though, there are still a few dogs that are used for what they were intended for. Farmers for example still need herding dogs. People still use hunting dogs, and sled dogs, etc.

But if select breeds were only given to the everyday general people I really do think it would encourage BYB's, even from farmers and hunters themselves.

To the dog over population I dont' know if there is anyone solutions except education and caring.

I'm just kind of thinking out loud on this post

I hope it makes a bit of sense.

calgal · 05-24-2006, 11:00 PM

It's the millers and byb that we are trying to get a law passed that would put a stop to the number of dogs you can own. Anyway we can cut down on the numbers would be so worth it.

Dogsareme · 05-24-2006, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by calgal

Anyway we can cut down on the numbers would be so worth it.

Absolutly

Raised By Wolves · 05-25-2006, 06:46 AM

It would be nice if taking personal responsibility and pride in doing our part as individuals, could reduce the pet population. But unfortunately, very few people are motivated or rewarded, by personal responsibility.

IMO, many people are motivated by money, ego, and self-fulfillment.

Sometimes folks bypass personal responsibility in favor of finding "fulfillment" by becoming part of a "holy crusade", where they can feel part of a greater "good", and do battle against the "evil doers", no matter which emotionally extreme cause they choose to attach themselves to. It is not the nature of these groups, IMO, to promote personal responsibility, "truthful" education, or independent thought outside of the "group" mind. PETA comes to mind here.

Education is always a good thing, as long as people are willing to be educated, or are started out young with correct, unbiased information.

And then there are always laws and government control, when personal responsibility and education don't work.

This is a people issue, not a dog issue.

TribalRats · 05-25-2006, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised By Wolves

This is a people issue, not a dog issue.

I agree.

I persoanlly think that letting certain breeds die out would only fuel the fire for the "designer dog" of the moment.

This has also given me another idea for a debate...heated as it may get.

rmci · 05-25-2006, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by linnie

Do you think that if responsible dog owners and breeders selectively allowed certain breeds to die out ( not be culled but by spayng/neutering)
getting back to some basic breeds without all the choices that this would be a positive or negative step??

Who's to say which breeds stay and which ones go?

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Originally Posted by Dogsareme

Then hopefully most of those dogs would be welled tempered and no one would have pitbulls and such because they are working dogs.
Of course though, there are still a few dogs that are used for what they were intended for. Farmers for example still need herding dogs. People still use hunting dogs, and sled dogs, etc.

Pitbulls can also be well tempered and great housepets, just like any other dog.

elegy · 05-25-2006, 09:44 AM

the pet overpopulation has nothing to do with the number of breeds out there. it has to do with the irresponsibility of people creating more and more dogs, whether intentionally or not, with no clue as to what to do with them, and people acquiring dogs on whims just to dump them ten months later for x reason and getting a new one.

some days it'd be nice to beat some common sense into people. it's all money money money or "i have a nice dog and she needs to make puppies!!" or "i didn't have the money to spay her and now she's pregnant" or whatever.

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Originally Posted by dogsareme

Then hopefully most of those dogs would be welled tempered and no one would have pitbulls and such because they are working dogs.

my pit bulls are both well tempered AND working dogs. some people WANT working dogs. they want a dog with a sharp enough temperament to compete in a wide variety of jobs and sports. there is absolutely nothing wrong with this, and these breeds should not be penalized or discriminated against because they're not dumbed down slobbering idiots.

princessjodi · 05-25-2006, 10:08 AM

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Then hopefully most of those dogs would be welled tempered and no one would have pitbulls and such because they are working dogs.

I agree with Elegy...my pitties have ALWAYS been well tempered and GREAT housepets. To tell you the truth...I have personally had more aggression problems with dogs such as Cocker Spaniels and Chis...in my personal experience only.

I don't think we necessarily have to let certain breeds 'die out'...just stop irresponisble breeding and the creation of mutts. Don't get me wrong...I love my mutts, but they are essentially the result in irresponsible breeding.

But...as long as there are people willing to pay for something there will be people willing to supply it. Whether or not it is a good idea. Like the dude from Jurassic Park said 'We are so worried about whether or not we could...we didn't stop to think about whether or not we should.'

***Carrie*** · 05-25-2006, 12:46 PM

I agree with Elegy. It's no ones business what kind of dog someone chooses to have or whether they intend to capitalize on what they were bred to do or not. It should not the governments business to dictate how many dogs a person can own other than when it comes down to mistreatment and neglect of an animal. Lessening the number of breeds wouldn't be the answer. Education about spaying and neutering pet dogs and encouraging adoption when practical for someone is the only way, as inadequate as it seems to be so far. Euthanizing dogs which don't get adopted quickly is kinder than keeping them locked up in lousy shelters with no family. That would cut down on some of the surplus population, as horrible as that sounds.

Leon · 05-25-2006, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by elegy

the pet overpopulation has nothing to do with the number of breeds out there.

I agree. It's possible to have just one breed and still too many dogs to find homes for, or a thousand breeds and not enough dogs.

Dogsareme · 05-25-2006, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rmci

Pitbulls can also be well tempered and great housepets, just like any other dog.

Oh I would never say anything bad against pitbulls. All I ment by that is that certain people should not own them if they were doing the selective breed thing... that's all. I know their are great tempered pits, and I think they are a great breed.

Dogsareme · 05-25-2006, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by elegy

my pit bulls are both well tempered AND working dogs. some people WANT working dogs. they want a dog with a sharp enough temperament to compete in a wide variety of jobs and sports. there is absolutely nothing wrong with this, and these breeds should not be penalized or discriminated against because they're not dumbed down slobbering idiots.

Once again, not what I was saying. Just saying the not everyone should own a pit. Most don't know how to raise them. We had a pitbulls ourselves when I was young. He was the best dog. All I was saying is that if people that want a companions dog IF they were doing this selective breeding thing is that pitbulls should not be an option not because they are bad dogs, but because alot of people dont' know how to raise them right...

Also I have done alot of writing and posts arguing against others that it is unfair to think of the pitbull this way... so believe me that is not what I ment at all.

And anywho I was just kind of thinking out loud when I was writing, so I really dont' have alot of deep thought going into it all, so please don't be reading to deeply into it. And really how would you even start selective breeding??

elegy · 05-25-2006, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dogsareme

Once again, not what I was saying. Just saying the not everyone should own a pit. Most don't know how to raise them.

most people don't know how to raise a dog, period. and a poorly bred, poorly socialized lab can be just as scary. i can't imagine either of my dogs were well-raised given that they were both picked up as strays by animal control, and yet they're good-tempered, friendly, happy dogs.

sorry if i overreacted. i get a little touchy about that particular subject, if you hadn't noticed

dogma · 05-25-2006, 06:10 PM

Couldn't agree more Raised by Wolves. Agree it's a people issue where dogs pay for the ego and money. The wolf hybrids frighten me the most.

05-24-2006, 08:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
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05-24-2006, 10:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
Dogsareme Kaede, Mudd & Kyrel Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 584 Rep Power: 67	That is a good question. Back in the beginning of time we sure were not able to be selective about the breeds that we wanted. I think if the 'tough' breeds were harder for just anyone to get that it would be great. Then we would not have that over population of Pitbulls and Rotti's. Actually there are also alot of Labs too. In some senses it would be a positive step. Most dogs are no longer used for what they use to be breed for. So it might actually be a positive if all people wanted was a house companion. Then hopefully most of those dogs would be welled tempered and no one would have pitbulls and such because they are working dogs. Of course though, there are still a few dogs that are used for what they were intended for. Farmers for example still need herding dogs. People still use hunting dogs, and sled dogs, etc. But if select breeds were only given to the everyday general people I really do think it would encourage BYB's, even from farmers and hunters themselves. To the dog over population I dont' know if there is anyone solutions except education and caring. I'm just kind of thinking out loud on this post I hope it makes a bit of sense.
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05-25-2006, 06:46 AM	#5 (permalink)
Raised By Wolves Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,523 Rep Power: 123	It would be nice if taking personal responsibility and pride in doing our part as individuals, could reduce the pet population. But unfortunately, very few people are motivated or rewarded, by personal responsibility. IMO, many people are motivated by money, ego, and self-fulfillment. Sometimes folks bypass personal responsibility in favor of finding "fulfillment" by becoming part of a "holy crusade", where they can feel part of a greater "good", and do battle against the "evil doers", no matter which emotionally extreme cause they choose to attach themselves to. It is not the nature of these groups, IMO, to promote personal responsibility, "truthful" education, or independent thought outside of the "group" mind. PETA comes to mind here. Education is always a good thing, as long as people are willing to be educated, or are started out young with correct, unbiased information. And then there are always laws and government control, when personal responsibility and education don't work. This is a people issue, not a dog issue.
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*Carrie* Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: north panhandle of Idaho Posts: 7,382 Rep Power: 278	I agree with Elegy. It's no ones business what kind of dog someone chooses to have or whether they intend to capitalize on what they were bred to do or not. It should not the governments business to dictate how many dogs a person can own other than when it comes down to mistreatment and neglect of an animal. Lessening the number of breeds wouldn't be the answer. Education about spaying and neutering pet dogs and encouraging adoption when practical for someone is the only way, as inadequate as it seems to be so far. Euthanizing dogs which don't get adopted quickly is kinder than keeping them locked up in lousy shelters with no family. That would cut down on some of the surplus population, as horrible as that sounds.
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