Happy Hound from TriState Byproducts inc

[D.Schäferhund]

Hello
Well we moved now and i was looking arround for new meatsources.
In the local Greyhoundstore I found Happy hound products.
They have Farm meat, Race meat and Puppy meats.
But The store didn't have the information about what is all in the different bags, it is fresh comes frozen , looks and smells very good.

Only thing i know, Race meat is leaner than farm meat. but what is in the puppymeat? looks much different darker... but good...

....but I like to know what is in it so i can adjust the rawfood menu.

Does anybody else feed Happy Hound from tristate byproducts inc?
Does anybody know the ingrediens list?
Googled them but nothing really came up. But a phonenumber,i may call next week!
But still any experience with this raw food?

[D.Schäferhund]

Ok I got them on the phone

Here is what is in the meatbags:

Race: 100%beef
Fat 4%

Farm:100%beef
Fat 12%

Puppymix:
100%beef
33% liver
33%tripe
33%farm

Oknow i was wondering how i best put a raw diet together using these Products, I can get beefbones.
But Since i am still learning what do i need to add?
I was planing on keeping purreed veggies with it, cottagechese,yoghurt (=Milkproducts) Cod liver oil


What do you think about this product as a supplement?

Vitalize Raw Max™

BioZyme® Inc.

Description:

Vitalize Raw Max™ is formulated to help maintain your dog`s long-term health and vigor. A rich blend of vitamins, minerals, amino acids, omega fatty acids and Amaferm®

Ingredients:

Animal Pork Liver Meal, Dried Whey, Calcium Carbonate, Soybean Oil, Fish Meal, Magnesium Oxide, Dried Alfalfa Powder, Wheat Germ, Yeast Culture, Dextrose, Canola Oil, Monocalcium Phosphate Product, Diacalcium Phosphate, Rice Bran, Dried Aspergillus oryzae Fermentation Product, Zinc Sulfate, Potassium Chloride, Poultry Digest, Ferrous Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Garlic Flavor, Copper Sulfate, Tocopherols (a preservative), Calcium Iodate, Choline Vitamin A supplement, Niacin Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin b-12 Supplelment, Ribflavin Supplement.

Guaranteed Analysis per Teaspoon:

Calcium (Ca)
6.5% Min to 7.8% Max
Ascorbic Acid (Vit C)
0.9 mg Min

Phosphorus (P)
3.8% Min
Vitamin B-12
0.009 mg Min

Magnesium (Mg)
2.0% Min
Riboflavin (B2)
0.9 mg Min

Potassium (K)
1.0% Min
d-Pnatothenic Acid
2.3mg Min

Copper (Cu)
0.45% mg
Thiamine
0.8 mg Min

Iodine
0.45% mg
Niacin
9.0 mg Min

Manganese (Min)
2.9% mg
Folic Acid
0.06 mg Min

Selenium (Se)
0.003 mg
Pyridoxine (Vitamin B-6)
0.4 mg Min

Zinc (Zn)
9.5 mg
Choline (B4)
33.0 mg Min

Vitamin A
2,800.0 IU
Biotin
0.3 mg Min

Vitamin D-3
270.0IU
Iron
8.0 mg Min

Vitamin E
23.0IU
Omega 3 Fatty Acids

Omega a6 Fatty Acids
31.0 mg Min

124.0 mg Min


Directions:

One-quarter (1/4) teaspoon for each nearest 10 pounds of body weight


Does anybody use this supplement?

[dogs4life]

About your meat source...is it meat or is it meat and byproducts? I guess I'm not clear on what the meat really is and what's really in the bag.

From what I understand about raw feeding...I'm new too, so bear with me, is that beef is a little more difficult to transition from kibble to a 100% raw diet. Your dogs might get upset tummies, stress on might. The puppy meat content is a little alarming to me...that's a lot of tripe and liver for such little meat content. If I were to feed the puppy meat mix, I would use it as a minor component of the diet not the main protein.

Are you feeding kibble?

Are you feeding raw now?

Some people with large dogs, like yours, start with whole chickens w/all extras like liver, heart, neck and giblets (some dogs like them cut into 4 large pieces) and no supplements. Theory behind no supplements is if you pick good meat, then you don't need to supplement. Chicken naturally raised on range with vegetarian diet will have good fat profiles so fat supplements are overkill.

Dairy - I only feed "real" cow and goat yogurt for probiotic content and it's prebiotic properties. I also add a probiotic powder called Primal Defense from Garden of Life to suppliment the strains of bacteria not found in yogurt. I'm looking for a canine specific probiotic. I don't really count yogurt as a fat or protein when looking at my pet's diet as a whole.

Veggies - After doing more research on veggies and fruits, I'm limiting them to medicinal uses not nutritional purposes. I tend to feed more anti-inflammatory type herbs and veggies, like cilantro. I also look at antioxidant values when selecting fruits. I'm not confident that dogs "need" carbs, BUT they do tolerate them

Fish oils - I would only feed fish oils if the meat you get is not grass-fed or free-range and then I would get the leaner meats or trim them (beef or chicken) so you don't over load your dogs with fats and cause pancreas or other digestive problems.

Those are just my thoughts....I hope others will have suggestions too.

[calgal]

Since I home cook for my guys and am able to select exactly what I want them to have, this list scares me quite a bit. For instance, what do they mean by their name Tristate "Byproducts"? Byproducts are a big no-no in pet food, so does this mean that their meats are all derived from "unfit for human consumption" parts of the carcass?
I like knowing exactly what mine are eating and if there are any allergy reactions, I don't have to search very hard to find the cause. I keep things really plain and simple for them. I don't want to take a chance of overloading their vital organs and end up with medical problems. Anyway, this is my take on this and I'm sure everyone will have their own as well.

[D.Schäferhund]

Ok
Well i used to feed raw meats before, just for the time of the move I fed kibble, they are good on meats.

The byproduct is not actually byproduct like you are thinking of, they don't throw everything in there, it is a meat factory that produces meat for human consumption and some of the rest goes to the dogs.
I got meat from a meatlocker before and it was looking similar, they use the stuff they cut off the nice cuts and this is what goes to the dog, you can see the big chunks of meat in the ground up stuff. good amounts of blood in it , too.
comes frozen.no additives.

As regarding the puppymeat, i am glad to have found a meatsource that includes tribe. eventhought it is the washed tripe, but atleast tribe....

If i would find some fresh tribe with all grassy gew in it i would freeze it in portions, but haven't found one that gives it away, yet!
That would be the veggie part in my diet, but untill then I have to supplement with real veggies...
I can't feed animals whole , like rabbits, but it is the healthiest, but i just can't....

the puppymeat further is thought of like a meat that i give in between like i would have bought liver extra.

i started out with chicken and still give it occationally but they are getting the itchy feet and skin from them, so i may give turkey occationally but mainly it was and will stay beef.

As to the herbs, can you fit me in the antiinflamatory ones? That sounds interesting and probably good to know.

[dogs4life]

Originally Posted by D.Schäferhund

The byproduct is not actually byproduct like you are thinking of, they don't throw everything in there, it is a meat factory that produces meat for human consumption and some of the rest goes to the dogs.

That sounds good to me, as long as it's meat There are tons of muscles on the cow that are not marketable for one reason or the other.

As regarding the puppymeat, i am glad to have found a meatsource that includes tribe. eventhought it is the washed tripe, but atleast tribe....

If i would find some fresh tribe with all grassy gew in it i would freeze it in portions, but haven't found one that gives it away, yet!
That would be the veggie part in my diet, but untill then I have to supplement with real veggies...
I can't feed animals whole , like rabbits, but it is the healthiest, but i just can't....

We have a supplier here in our town, maybe it's worth making a bulk buy if you have the extra cash. It starts at $1.45/lb for a 5 lb tube. GreenTripe.Com Main Index

About the chicken, I meant whole chicken from the grocery store, sorry Sometimes we can get them for $0.99/lb around here. Not feathers and all....although feathers are probably good for the dogs digestive system

the puppymeat further is thought of like a meat that i give in between like i would have bought liver extra.

i started out with chicken and still give it occationally but they are getting the itchy feet and skin from them, so i may give turkey occationally but mainly it was and will stay beef.

Itchy feet, do you think they are allergic to chicken? I hear it's common. I personally don't have that issue with my dogs.

As to the herbs, can you fit me in the antiinflamatory ones? That sounds interesting and probably good to know.

I use parsley, cilantro and ginger. I like to think of wild rabbit diets, deer diets, poultry diets and such when I'm considering fruits and veggies since I feed non-wild meats and I feel there's lots of goodness we are missing by feeding non-wild meats. JMO.

I use Nutrition Data's site to investigate food items, it's the most comprehensive FREE database I've found on nutrition. They use the Inflammatory Factor Index from Monica Reinagel's research and books. Here's a link to the Inflammation bit. Inflammation and the IF Rating™ – NutritionData.com

Also Monica Segel might have more info on herbs in her materials. Here's a link to her site and her working dog diet seminar on CD. Working Dogs CDs

I'm still new and still feeling things out for my dogs and my meat sources so I'm pretty limited but I'll share as much as I know or believe to be true. Some of my decisions are based on human nutrition, my experiences with diet and foods, and what I've hear or read so not all is "hard facts" based or scientifically proven through rigorous food trails for dogs or breeds.

[dogs4life]

I just googled "greyhound food race meat" just because I was curious.... I found this article, not sure about it's validity but it was interesting talking about 4-D meats and their use in race diets of greyhounds.

4-D Meat: A Deadly Meal

[D.Schäferhund]

Thank you dogs4life...

That helps..
you know I was secure with my old diet, but when something changes I get doubts and have to reevaluate everything... wich throws me bach to square one...

My husband always says i worry too much!!!
Guess he is right but i like to know for sure...

about the ginger and such, do you feed it raw, do you shred it? just mix it in the meat? Do they like it?

Yeah they get itchy feet if I feed it too much, but they love eating it, so I resort to turkey, they are fairly cheap after Thanksgiving and then i buy a couple three and put them in the freezer....

Hmmm not sure if it is allergic, but there is sure something in it that they have troubles with, especially Aika, she has some troubles with the skin and so far nothing really helped, but adding Oil to the food, thats why the Codliver oil.

I had a hairanalysis done and some treatment but it wasn't the biggest success, so i hope with trying to eliminate food sources that might cause it is ok.
I have one food, that they really do not like, ok they eat it, but there is something in it, wich guarantees my dogs to become hot spots and itchy skin and feet in the fall, and this is what set me off and I tried ssytematically what might cause the itch and so far if I keep the chicken down and the oil in we are getting much better.
with chicken even the ears are more prone to infections.

what i found out about my dogs that their digestive system is pretty good, they get alot out of food. I had the Timberwolf that was so highly digestible for my dogs that i felt bad feeding them, because they didn't get hardly anything in their tummies, and if i fed more they got fat and depending on the food itchyfeet and skin,too.

Well i am sure somebody regular wouldn't notice so much but i am sensitive to things like that.
And not all the dogs react the same, but certain food cause a change in behaviour , besides Brisa she eats everything no troubles and Anka is like that,too.
But Brisa pukes when she eats chickenliver.... and i think it is more the taste she hates it!
Since she puked a couple times after eating it, i don't buy it anymore and resort to Calves liver...hehehe

Ok back to the tripe, is that tripe that is unwashed, including all the green predigested stuff?
If so it might be worth buying it, just needs to be including everything.Smells pretty bad but the dogs love it.and it is healthy dieting.....

[D.Schäferhund]

just read that article, that sounds scary.... might want to double check my source, but they sounded like a meatplant... uahh....

Edit:
well i called the plant, he was very open to my questions, he siad it is classified as 4-D meat, but he siad too that it is safe to feed, they never had any troubles with any medication or trnasfered deseases that in short version.
Theyexclusivly use beef so meds from euthanisation etc are excluded since with cattle uthanisation is not the comon practice...

Ok i am better now....

Edit again:

Well That looks very nice at the green tripe page, but the shipping cost are way to high to get it here...

so back to square one. i like to get it fresh because this is what i am used to still trying to find it, but accidently stumbled over the Solid Gold caned tribe, anyone knows if this is any good?
they even have it in petco

or the tripett green tripe???

[dogs4life]

Originally Posted by D.Schäferhund

Thank you dogs4life...

about the ginger and such, do you feed it raw, do you shred it? just mix it in the meat? Do they like it?

Ok back to the tripe, is that tripe that is unwashed, including all the green predigested stuff?
If so it might be worth buying it, just needs to be including everything.Smells pretty bad but the dogs love it.and it is healthy dieting.....

You're welcome, I have lots to learn and I'm sure you'll teach me tons too

The ginger I feed is raw finely grated ginger root from the regular grocery store. The dogs did not mind it, not sure if they liked it. I just mixed it with food whenever I have fresh ginger in the house. I don't give it everyday or on a schedule. My cat eats it too, she doesn't pick it out like the cilantro or parsley.

The tripe is "green" not sure if it's rinsed though. You might want to call them as they seem to be Afghan breeders and they might know of a network of distributers you can tap into.

Another great meat source is 4-H groups and FFA groups in your area. My nephews raise pigs for 4-H and not all pigs are of "showing" quality. Sometimes you can buy the livestock off the kids just before fair time so they can recoup the cost of raising the animals, feed is expensive as you know. I'm sure you can get a variety like rabbit, chicken, duck, goose, goat, pig, and cow. Sometimes the kids will butcher animals for projects in their local chapters so you don't need to cut, just be willing to pack and store.

I also came across these cool forums, it's for raw feeders. rawfeeding : Raw Feeding for dogs and cats!
CarnivoreFeed-Supplier : Carnivore feeders and feed suppliers

I'm on the raw feeding group, just lurking right now.....

[D.Schäferhund]

I know ginger is healthy i used to make me hot water and put a ginger slice in there... kinda like a tea... that is good for the immune system...
good to know dogs can have it, too.

I still struggle between all the different sources... Some have so different opinions... on the same subject.
I do think though that dogs eat everything naturally, fruit veggies and meat.
But I am a huge fan of tripe, in Germany the butchers often just give it away, here it seems harder to find.
In oklahoma i had the trouble with the meatplants that they weren't allowed to give up the innerds.
but it may be different here.

just for the blue i bought a couple cans of the tripplet, see how that works...

I want tripe!!!;o)

[calgal]

One last question from me. Why not just buy fresh meat at your local grocery store instead of buying thru a company making dog food? I would rather my guys get a nice lean cut of meat rather than all the fat and things trimmed off of it. Anyway, I don't understand yet.

[D.Schäferhund]

good question Calgal, but I feed three dogs with it, my German shepherds, and the meat in the Grocery store is too expencive in the long run for three full size dogs, i often get beef bones there...Or meat that is frozen on clearance...

but yeah this is why i try to avoid buying in a grocery store, although sometimes i take the meatleftovers from them, the slittle slices they cut of before they pack it.