home cooked low protien diet

[linnie]

Recently Chloe was at the vet and he told me I needed to change her diet due to changes in her kidney function.
So I thought I would post it here for anyone who is looking for a low protien diet.

125grams (1/4 lb) hamburger beef ) no preservatives
1 hard cooked egg
3 slices crumbed white bread
2 cups cooked rice
5grams calcium carbonate.


Cook the meat and retain the fat add egg and bread and rice .
Also calcium
Mix well.
makes a dry mix which can be moistened with water ( not milk)
( I use warm water and Chloe actually likes it thank goodness)

[BellFounder]

OK first off - thats not low protein.
Secondly NEVER feed a dog bread.
Thirdly the nutrient balance in there is so off its just not funny the vitamins are where exactly?

[elegy]

linnie, you might want to look on yahoo for the k9kidneydiet group. there are a bunch of very knowledgeable people there and there's a ton of good information posted on how to feed a dog with compromised kidneys. they helped me a lot when i was trying to feed my little poodle girl.

low protein is not the key in feeding an animal with kidney problems. it's moderate amount of high quality protein and low phosphorus. it's not the easiest thing in the world, but i really don't like the hill's homemade diet.

[BellFounder]

also fourthly - forget calcium carbonate that will put the calcium-phosporous ratie WAY off. Try powdered bone meal instead.

[Crossfire Bulldogs]

Hi Linnie ~ This is something I can totally relate to, going through kidney issues with Ty brought about a ton of studying on my part and alot of trial and error. I agree with Elegy, joining up with K9Kidneys is an excellent idea but I'll give you a bit of what I do know on kidney diets.

One few of the really important things to remember when feeding dogs with kidney issues is that it be a diet low in protein, low in phosphrous and low in salt.

No grain foods are best, the reason is because grain foods in general are high in starch, a nasty carb high in phosphrous and their proteins are poorly digested. However, in dogs with healthy kidneys I see nothing wrong with giving bread as a treat once in awhile. Calcium Carbonate is also something very important to give to dogs with kidney issues. Dogs with kidney issues must have reduced levels of protein but the protein they do get should be high quality.

To give high protein at low levels feed small portions of chicken, beef, eggs, fish and offal such as liver, kidney, brains and heart. Remember, tiny bits and not large quantity....liver can be fed but should be fed less often with dogs well advanced in kidney failure.

A good kidney diet should be high on fats that are high in the essential fatty acids. You can use fat from egg, chicken and flax seed oil. It's also wise to add vitamin E to prevent rancidity of those fats within the body. The diet should also be high in water soluable vitamins, that is vitamins C and B complex because their lost at an abnormally high rate with continual urination. B complex also can assist in keeping the appetite going.

Do not use kelp ( very high in salt ) cod liver oil ( too high in vitamin A which is not tolerated in kidney dogs ) or Brewers Yeast because of it's high protein level. A basic kidney diet should consist of three quarters raw crushed veggies, plus one quarter raw meaty bones (or meat for those in more advanced stages of kidney failure ) crushed and mixed through the veggies, flax seed oil, vitamin E and B complex and some vitamin C.

I'd be happy to talk to you anytime about this and will help as much as I can.

[annie_so_pink]

My Theo had kidney failure so I can totally relate as well...Join the K9Kidneys yahoo group, they are very helpful. Our vet also told us low protein, but after more reseach I found out that what he needed was low phosphrous and low salt. Crossfire gave you excellent advice!

[TribalRats]

Excelling post Sonja very informative.

Good luck Linnie. Sounds like you are on the road to maintaining a Kidney.

Secondly NEVER feed a dog bread

While I have read studies that suggest it is not a good idea to let a dog gorge on bread as it expands in the stomach which may produce gas in the digestive system, causing pain and possibly rupture of the stomach and intestines. (source: MSNBC )
I have not seen in any of the studies where it says NEVER feed your dog bread simply to feed it in monitored amounts and to be aware of what you are feeding and possible symptoms if it causes an issue.
Maybe you have read something I have not? If so I would really like to see it so that we can help people having this uissue in the future.
Something tells me that Linnie's vet would not advise Linnie to do harm to her dog.
Granted I am not a vet however....Linnie's vet is.

[linnie]

Originally Posted by BellFounder

OK first off - thats not low protein.
Secondly NEVER feed a dog bread.
Thirdly the nutrient balance in there is so off its just not funny the vitamins are where exactly?

first off it is low protien (17% total )especially when that meal lasts my dog 6 days
Secondly while I can respect your oppinion as a concerned dog owner I trust my specialist vet who is considered a leading vet in the whole of Australia.
Thirdly the reason I didnt put vit suppliments is in the other post regarding recall of vit supp for animals.

So unless you are a qualified vet I think I will opt for his treatment as he has managed to keep my beautiful little dog alive for 2 years longer than expected so far.

[linnie]

Thanks everyone for the info on the kidney sight I will look into it today.
By the way Chloe had blood tests to also make sure as to which way her diet should go and my vet is looking into finding an australian based vit suppliment that wont harm her

[bigdoglover]

Bellfounder, have you been through this with one of your dogs? Just curious as to what you fed if indeed you did go through this.

[Crossfire Bulldogs]

Originally Posted by bigdoglover

Bellfounder, have you been through this with one of your dogs? Just curious as to what you fed if indeed you did go through this.

Kind of curious on that myself. I always like exchanging ideas / what has worked with others that have been through this.

[calgal]

CANINE DIET FOR KIDNEY PROBLEMS

1/2 cup (1/4 pound)regular-fat hamburger
2 3/4 cups cooked white rice, enriched
1 egg
2 tablespoons cold-pressed safflower, soy or corn oil
600 milligrams calcium
1/8 teaspoon iodized salt
2 tablespoons parsley, finely grated carrot or other vegetable (optional)
1/2-1 clove garlic, minced (for flavor)
Dog vitamins (as recommended on label for medium-size dog)
20-milligram-level B complex
5,000 IU vitamin A
1,000 milligrams vitamin C (1/4 teaspoon sodium ascorbate)

Mix all ingredients together and serve raw if the dog will accept it. Otherwise, mix all but the vitamins together, bake about 20 minutes in a moderate oven and then wait until it cools to mix in the vitamins. Occasionally, substitute 1 to 3 teaspoons of liver for part of the meat. Be sure to provide plenty of fresh, pure water (filtered or bottled) at all times.

YIELD: Generally, feed as much as your dog will eat, but, as a guideline, this recipe should feed a 10-pound toy for three days or a 40-pound dog for a day. By tripling it you can feed a 60-pound dog for two days. Multiply the recipe as needed for convenience.

[linnie]

Calgal I like your extra in the diet. I cant give her salt as she has mitral valve disease. I wonder how the b complex would be for her???
vit c she gets
She loves her brocolli I was going to ring the vet ands ee if she could still have veggies
Again thankyou for posting some positive information

Interestingly the local vet told me that the specialist I use.... eats sleeps and breaths vet science and that they went through vet school together and that he was so dedicated he spends a fortune making sure he has the most advanced and current information at his fingertips.

[BellFounder]

Originally Posted by bigdoglover

Bellfounder, have you been through this with one of your dogs? Just curious as to what you fed if indeed you did go through this.

Tisch is currently on a kidney diet - i refuse to feed the "prescription" diets from Hills or purina so have had to search hard for alternatives. I currently feed her a reduced protein kibble (only 15%) from a local company supplemented with rice, very small amounts of liver and egg (occasioanlly chicken), half a vitamin pill (human pill with no additives such as "extra iron") and her treats are carrots which, thankfully, she loves and several of the other dogs have also adopted. She had monthly blood profiles for kidney and liver function and to make sure the diet was balanced for the first year and now gets them every six months.

[BellFounder]

Originally Posted by TribalRats

While I have read studies that suggest it is not a good idea to let a dog gorge on bread as it expands in the stomach which may produce gas in the digestive system, causing pain and possibly rupture of the stomach and intestines.

For a dog "gorging" may be defined as as little as half a slice of bread. For a very small dog even less. Think of the size of a dogs stomach - even the large breeds it is only slightly bigger than your fist. For a very tiny dog its even less. You put half a slice of bread into that and it swells to three times its original size (as is perfectly possible) and you have BIG problems.