Apparantly what's good for the Gander isn't good for the Goose!

[Tiffany0204]

Anyone else tired of people refusing to get their males neutured for fear of taking away the dog's "manhood"? Yet compleatly don't care about a female getting spayed?

A friend of mine is going through this right now. Her other half doesn't want to get the dog neutured, for fear of his masculinity being taken away. She's been arguing that it's better so they don't have to watch him like a hawk around other dogs and whatever.

I mentioned the reduced risk of cancer, the less chance of the dog running away, less agressive tendancies, how when it's done young the dog doesn't even realize what he's missing, but her other half still won't budge.

Also... her going and doing it behind his back isn't an option either. Can anyone else mention some good reasons as to why it's a good idea to possibly change his mind? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[RIo&Nickysmommy]

I would suggest to your friend to take him up to a dog shelter and let him see the dogs that our going to be put to sleep because they were born from other dogs not being fixed. Sounds harsh but if what you have already told him hasn't worked maybe the thought of his manly dog possible impregnanting another female might once he realizes that the off spring could end up with such a sad fate as the dogs all in shelters. I think he has to rethink his thoughts on whats manly. I wish you friend good luck.
Rio&Nickysmommy

[Cassiepeia]

I'd ask him if he thinks a guy who had testicular cancer or some hideous accident and had to have his testicles removed is less of a man because of it? Is he suddenly not worth anything because he has no testicles?
Of course not! He's as much of a man as he always was, he's just a little lighter lighter. lol And less burdoned by the possibility of children.

"Manhood" has nothing to do with what's 'downstairs' it's who you are as a person and IMO that's true for dogs too.
If he's so worried about the dog losing it's 'manhood' I think it's more of a reflection on his lack of masculinity than it is on the dog. A real man could handle having his dog fixed.

Cass.

[linnie]

I absolutely agree Cas
A real man is not measured by his testicles
This person must have issues with his own masculinity.
having said that I would approach him with all the information to show him that neutering is the responsible thing and also the healthiest thing for the dog.
personally if he wouldnt agree I would go ahead and do it anyway.
Someone has to be the adult in this situation and if he isnt prepared to be then I would.
He wont be able to sew them back on lol

[poodlesmom]

Ask him if he thinks male dogs who work in search & rescue, police work and guard work are less masculine. I am sure they are neutered.

I'd also try to have him meet other male dogs who have been neutered to set his mind at ease that it will not lose his masculinity.

I hope your friend is successful in convincing him that this is the best thing for their dog.

[shandoggy1]

I used to tell my "male" grooming clients that it takes a real man to neuter there dogs and not feel like they are doing more harm than good . I wish more men would get a female because they would fix them after going through a heat cycle or before then. I have met more men that own two dogs 1male & 1 female and will fix the female without hesitation and won't budge to fix their male . I just think men act ridiculous about neutering . I know this guy that I always seem to bump into on my walks who has three french bulldogs. Two males and one female and he wasn't going to get any of them fixed just because until the brother got the sister pregnant and he took her right into be spayed before she even had the pups. Then his 6 year old male just the other day had to get fixed because of an enlarged prostrate which was causing him problems. So now he only has the one intact male and you know what he said when I asked him about getting his other boy neutered "oh I'll just wait until he has a problem before I get him done This is after his pitbull/shepard at the age of 13 got prostrate cancer and he neutered him then and then the dog died at 15 and now his 6 year old was diagnosed with prostrate problems and he still won't fix his other male. I just can't believe he hasn't learned his lesson and that having his dogs testicles is more important than there health

[shandoggy1]

Originally Posted by poodlesmom

Ask him if he thinks male dogs who work in search & rescue, police work and guard work are less masculine. I am sure they are neutered.

I'd also try to have him meet other male dogs who have been neutered to set his mind at ease that it will not lose his masculinity.

I hope your friend is successful in convincing him that this is the best thing for their dog.

Actually Poodles mom, the majority of K9 dogs are intact even the females. Supposedly they need the "testosterone" and hormones to do their jobs. *rolls eyes*.

[Tiffany0204]

Unfortunatly I don't think those ideas would work. The one time their dog got outside, he didn't run from the yard, so he's convinced that the dog won't run at all. LOL! The dog is still a puppy, and Gizmo stuck to me like glue outside as well, but once he got past the 6/7 month mark, he wanted to run on his own!

I mentioned the cancer, but their vet mentioned that their breed doesn't have alot of chances on getting cancer. Can you imagine? lol. They want to get another dog, but I'm not familiar enough with Yorkies to know how they are. She says then if they're not going to get the one fixed, that they can't get a female (but apparantly it's okay by him to get the female fixed lol!) but where could I find stuff about male/male dominance. I think it'd be bad and stressful for the two dogs, trying to be the alpha. Neuturing would take care of that problem, or allow them to get a female if need be.

I dunno, I'm not trying to bash the guy, I just think it'd be better if I had actual evidence and/or websites that he could look at to better understand why it's a good thing.

[poodlesmom]

Originally Posted by shandoggy1

Actually Poodles mom, the majority of K9 dogs are intact even the females. Supposedly they need the "testosterone" and hormones to do their jobs. *rolls eyes*.

I never knew that - goes to show what happens when you "assume". I just figured they'd have better control & concentration on their job if they had been spayed/neutered.

[shandoggy1]

Originally Posted by poodlesmom

I never knew that - goes to show what happens when you "assume". I just figured they'd have better control & concentration on their job if they had been spayed/neutered.

Notice how I said the "majority" I have seen some drug dogs that were fixed and some search and rescue dogs so it is okay to assume, I used to to at one time but unfortunately it isn't all true. Now, I was at a K9 demonstration given by the state police dept and they said that the majority of our dogs in Massachusetts are males and they are left intact. Across the board though I do believe they favor male K9's as opposed to females everywhere. Tiffany, tell your friend to do some research on line about neutering and to talk to the vet about it. Most vets educate people on spay and neuter although I have met a few people whose vets don't say anything about it at all

[Shadowkins]

An appendage does not a man or dog make . Neutering is the responsible thing to do .... no "oops" litters and far healthier for the dog in the end.
This poor fellow has a very poor view of manhood,or should I say maleness, if he thinks neutering will bother the dog, good grief! they don't even know the difference. JMO

[Ritz459]

Oh, what were those things you could buy for dogs who had been neutered that made them look like they still had their, um, "man hood"....gosh, I can't remember what they were! Nuticles? Is that right? She could always buy some of those and then her husband wouldn't even know the difference!

[gsp4619]

Well maybe they would like to know what happens and I was a perfect and stupid example. I never got bear fixed due to my husband being a you know what and me should of just told him to go jump off a bridge and yes we are getting him fixed. And I ended up loseing him to prostate problems that led into kidney failure. So I had to learn the hard and terrible way what results from not getting your animal fixed. This was a sucky learn from your mistakes example. So please let your friend know that getting their dog fixed will benfit in the long run as the dog gets older. I wish I would of been wise and had a jumping around, beautiful big strong boy, with less his doghood.

Tiffany I sure hope this helps your friends, keep us posted.