Libby's first night after a bad day and spay!

calgal · 10-10-2006, 08:57 AM

I'm still VERY upset and angry, and even called the animal shelter here in town to let them know what happen. I'm going to make a few more calls and hopefully they will pay more attention regardless of how busy they are..........after all, were talking about lives!!!
Libby and I spent the night together so I could take care of her just in case she got worse. She whimpered off and on all night and even though I kept her in a blanket, she still shivered all night and I'm sure it was from pain. What hell this little baby went thru. First I find her in the shelter with a broken foot, then this. She does NOT deserve all that has happen to her.
Anyway, she did finally eat a little food around 6 am, so it's a start and a very big relief!! She's in her little crate with a heating pad under the bedding to keep her from being cold and she's sleeping more peaceful.
I do hope non of your babies ever have to suffer like she did. Ask questions right up front before you leave your baby for surgery. If it's a really young pup going for a spay or neuter, make sure they take it into surgery right away, and not left in a cage for 6 hours first then sent home as soon as it's out of surgery.

mrsgrubby · 10-10-2006, 09:17 AM

Calgal,
I am sorry you and Libby had such a bad day. That was a long time to make her wait for surgery. Kinda odd in fact.

I do want to tell you this though, she was probably shivering due to the anesthetic they used. Actually it is really common for both people and animals to be cold and shivery after a surgery where they were "put under". It's one of the side effect just like throwing up.

I am sorry though things were so rough for you and her, hope all goes better today.

Novel · 10-10-2006, 10:15 AM

Just to second what Mrs Grubby said, the anesthetic was responsible for the shivering and the whining. All of the dogs I've ever had to put under for surgery have whined, howled, cried, barked and carried on as they woke up. I do as you did, cuddle up with them, turn all the lights off and just stay with them until they are fully awake, with many potty breaks, because they have very little bowel and bladder function until they are fully awake.
I'm sorry she had to wait for surgery, and that seems to be somewhat excessive, but, it is pretty commonplace to drop the dogs off at the surgery in the morning and work on them throughout the day as time allows. That is why I always schedule my dogs for a day and tell them I will be staying through the surgery.
calgal, please take a breath, and calm down a bit. Had you asked, you would have been told this is pretty normal. I understand your dogs are your life, as are mine, but, honestly, you are getting more and more fanatical recently, and I'm a bit worried and concerned.

TinyAlbinoDancer · 10-10-2006, 10:43 AM

I hope the after-effects of surgery wear off quickly and she's able to return to her normal little self! You can ask about when to bring them in so they go into surgery more quickly. My vet does it like Novel mentioned-- drop 'em off in the morning, and pick them up later (I think Missie went in at 8:30 and I picked her up somewhere between 3 and 5. She was still a little groggy at that point, but doing fine).

I'm sure Libby will recover quickly! It's always an experience having surgery, poor little babe. Give her lots of hugs and kisses from us!

calgal · 10-10-2006, 11:06 AM

I think that when they are young pups, they should be taken in first, and not kept in a cage for 6 hours without a potty break first. She peed on her bed that I took in with her, and I'm sure she was miserable.
"Fanatical"? I'm sorry that my concern for the dogs has now been diagnosed as "fanatical". I must have been "fanatical" ever since I had my first son and my first dog, because I've always had their well being above all else. I totally resent that implication!

IceyBlueSibes · 10-10-2006, 01:15 PM

So sorry Libby had a rough time. I took my 3 girls to a shelter to be fixed, only to find out why Sheiba had staples instead of stitches. They ended up hitting a "bleeder" (artery) and had to make a larger incision to stop the bleeding. We were not told anything about this, and we were very furious.

But I have to agree with Novel. This is very normal for a shelter. They get tons of dogs and cats everyday, and if they did your baby first only because you asked, then they would have to do it for everyone else. I'm sure there were many babies there, too. And they may have let her go to you only an hour after because of how upset you were. Would you have been still upset if they made you wait longer after the surgery was over?

I'm glad she's home with you now. She can snuggle up and stay warm with Mommy. It was hard with the others because after the first day or two, they were wanting to play, and we had to keep them in their crates for most of the day.

I'm sure she'll be better in no time!

calgal · 10-10-2006, 01:51 PM

It wasn't until they said she was just taken into surgery, and to come back at 4:45 because they close at 5:00 that I started questioning things.
When I take them to my Vet. he likes to get the youngest first and he doesn't let them go home for 5 ot 6 hours after surgery. They are usually in good shape and even manage to keep food down when they get home. Libby had not eaten for 26 hours before she was able to eat. That is just way too long.
Anyway it's done and over with.

IceyBlueSibes · 10-10-2006, 07:47 PM

Where we took ours, they stayed over night, and the surgery was scheduled for the morning. We were able to pick them up later that evening. We ended up taking them to our normal vet about 4 days after to have the incision checked. We got antibiotics for Lilly because she was having a reaction to the self dissolving stitches. But they were shocked that they atleast didn't prescribe pain reliever for Sheiba.

It's so scary having them go through a spay/neuter! They come home all out of it and sleepy. Rosie (our kitty) was fixed about 2 weeks ago. She came home so groggy. She wanted to stand, but didn't have the energy. It just makes you want to snuggle with them all night.

I bet Libby has been getting lots of extra lovin

calgal · 10-11-2006, 01:44 PM

I keep her in the little doggie fence with her chews, toys, bed and wee-wee pad. She's feeling so good today that she's tried to climb out. She never cries though, which is a blessing. I think I should put her harness on her and start taking her out in the back yard to walk around a little bit once in awhile. I don't even know if her stitches are the desolving type. I wasn't told. I called to find out, but no one knew and the Vet. that operated left for vacation right after Libby's spay.

mrsgrubby · 10-11-2006, 02:05 PM

Yes, she can begin walking around now, just don't let her play rough with the other dogs. You will be surprised how quickly she will heal. Puppies heal way faster than older dogs do.

I am sure the stitches will disolve, very few vets do the kind that need removing anymore. Just keep the area clean and dry.

Pondwader · 10-11-2006, 02:23 PM

I'm glad she's doing better.....

I'm a worrier too... but having worked with vets, and having had some bad experiences with vets, I know they are not the be-all and end-all they lead people to believe.
I've finally found a vet who I think really genuinely cares for my dogs, cares what I think, and will talk for hours if need be

calgal · 10-11-2006, 03:41 PM

Since I adopted Libby at our local animal shelter, her spay was free, but had to take her 18 miles to Santa Maria. I never got to see the Vet. who operated on Libby. My regular Vet. is 23 miles from me, but he is so well worth the trips.
When Zada had the desolving stitches on her knees, they were on the inside where you couldn't see them. Libby's are on the outside, so are those desolving ones also?
Both my Yorkie girls were spayed by the breeder before I even adopted them, (because I wasn't showing them) so I wasn't sure how much activity she should have. I did walk her around outside awhile ago. The two Yorkies just sniffed her from end to end but didn't try to play with her.
How long should she be this confined before she can actually be outside running around on her own?

10-10-2006, 08:57 AM	#1 (permalink)
calgal My Yorkster kids! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: central ca. coast Posts: 6,665 Rep Power: 225	Libby's first night after a bad day and spay! I'm still VERY upset and angry, and even called the animal shelter here in town to let them know what happen. I'm going to make a few more calls and hopefully they will pay more attention regardless of how busy they are..........after all, were talking about lives!!! Libby and I spent the night together so I could take care of her just in case she got worse. She whimpered off and on all night and even though I kept her in a blanket, she still shivered all night and I'm sure it was from pain. What hell this little baby went thru. First I find her in the shelter with a broken foot, then this. She does NOT deserve all that has happen to her. Anyway, she did finally eat a little food around 6 am, so it's a start and a very big relief!! She's in her little crate with a heating pad under the bedding to keep her from being cold and she's sleeping more peaceful. I do hope non of your babies ever have to suffer like she did. Ask questions right up front before you leave your baby for surgery. If it's a really young pup going for a spay or neuter, make sure they take it into surgery right away, and not left in a cage for 6 hours first then sent home as soon as it's out of surgery.

10-10-2006, 10:43 AM	#4 (permalink)
TinyAlbinoDancer Always room for one more Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: CA Posts: 2,536 Rep Power: 162	I hope the after-effects of surgery wear off quickly and she's able to return to her normal little self! You can ask about when to bring them in so they go into surgery more quickly. My vet does it like Novel mentioned-- drop 'em off in the morning, and pick them up later (I think Missie went in at 8:30 and I picked her up somewhere between 3 and 5. She was still a little groggy at that point, but doing fine). I'm sure Libby will recover quickly! It's always an experience having surgery, poor little babe. Give her lots of hugs and kisses from us!
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10-10-2006, 01:15 PM	#6 (permalink)
IceyBlueSibes Eyes = Mirror to the soul Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Jupiter, Fla. Posts: 7,668 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 268	So sorry Libby had a rough time. I took my 3 girls to a shelter to be fixed, only to find out why Sheiba had staples instead of stitches. They ended up hitting a "bleeder" (artery) and had to make a larger incision to stop the bleeding. We were not told anything about this, and we were very furious. But I have to agree with Novel. This is very normal for a shelter. They get tons of dogs and cats everyday, and if they did your baby first only because you asked, then they would have to do it for everyone else. I'm sure there were many babies there, too. And they may have let her go to you only an hour after because of how upset you were. Would you have been still upset if they made you wait longer after the surgery was over? I'm glad she's home with you now. She can snuggle up and stay warm with Mommy. It was hard with the others because after the first day or two, they were wanting to play, and we had to keep them in their crates for most of the day. I'm sure she'll be better in no time!
	__________________ Sheiba, Denali, Ike, Nitro (Siberian Husky), Kelso (GSD x), Lugar (Boxer/Pit x), Willah (Shepherd/Husky x), Tibby, Cheech, Chong (Chihuahua), and any foster we have in the house! 9 Kitty cats!

10-10-2006, 07:47 PM	#8 (permalink)
IceyBlueSibes Eyes = Mirror to the soul Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Jupiter, Fla. Posts: 7,668 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 268	Where we took ours, they stayed over night, and the surgery was scheduled for the morning. We were able to pick them up later that evening. We ended up taking them to our normal vet about 4 days after to have the incision checked. We got antibiotics for Lilly because she was having a reaction to the self dissolving stitches. But they were shocked that they atleast didn't prescribe pain reliever for Sheiba. It's so scary having them go through a spay/neuter! They come home all out of it and sleepy. Rosie (our kitty) was fixed about 2 weeks ago. She came home so groggy. She wanted to stand, but didn't have the energy. It just makes you want to snuggle with them all night. I bet Libby has been getting lots of extra lovin
	__________________ Sheiba, Denali, Ike, Nitro (Siberian Husky), Kelso (GSD x), Lugar (Boxer/Pit x), Willah (Shepherd/Husky x), Tibby, Cheech, Chong (Chihuahua), and any foster we have in the house! 9 Kitty cats!

10-11-2006, 02:23 PM	#11 (permalink)
Pondwader Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ontario, Canda Posts: 335 Rep Power: 78	I'm glad she's doing better..... I'm a worrier too... but having worked with vets, and having had some bad experiences with vets, I know they are not the be-all and end-all they lead people to believe. I've finally found a vet who I think really genuinely cares for my dogs, cares what I think, and will talk for hours if need be
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10-10-2006, 09:17 AM	#2 (permalink)
mrsgrubby Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,476 Rep Power: 141	Calgal, I am sorry you and Libby had such a bad day. That was a long time to make her wait for surgery. Kinda odd in fact. I do want to tell you this though, she was probably shivering due to the anesthetic they used. Actually it is really common for both people and animals to be cold and shivery after a surgery where they were "put under". It's one of the side effect just like throwing up. I am sorry though things were so rough for you and her, hope all goes better today.

10-10-2006, 10:15 AM	#3 (permalink)
Novel Boxer Mom Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 4,884 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 215	Just to second what Mrs Grubby said, the anesthetic was responsible for the shivering and the whining. All of the dogs I've ever had to put under for surgery have whined, howled, cried, barked and carried on as they woke up. I do as you did, cuddle up with them, turn all the lights off and just stay with them until they are fully awake, with many potty breaks, because they have very little bowel and bladder function until they are fully awake. I'm sorry she had to wait for surgery, and that seems to be somewhat excessive, but, it is pretty commonplace to drop the dogs off at the surgery in the morning and work on them throughout the day as time allows. That is why I always schedule my dogs for a day and tell them I will be staying through the surgery. calgal, please take a breath, and calm down a bit. Had you asked, you would have been told this is pretty normal. I understand your dogs are your life, as are mine, but, honestly, you are getting more and more fanatical recently, and I'm a bit worried and concerned.

10-10-2006, 11:06 AM	#5 (permalink)
calgal My Yorkster kids! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: central ca. coast Posts: 6,665 Rep Power: 225	I think that when they are young pups, they should be taken in first, and not kept in a cage for 6 hours without a potty break first. She peed on her bed that I took in with her, and I'm sure she was miserable. "Fanatical"? I'm sorry that my concern for the dogs has now been diagnosed as "fanatical". I must have been "fanatical" ever since I had my first son and my first dog, because I've always had their well being above all else. I totally resent that implication!

10-10-2006, 01:51 PM	#7 (permalink)
calgal My Yorkster kids! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: central ca. coast Posts: 6,665 Rep Power: 225	It wasn't until they said she was just taken into surgery, and to come back at 4:45 because they close at 5:00 that I started questioning things. When I take them to my Vet. he likes to get the youngest first and he doesn't let them go home for 5 ot 6 hours after surgery. They are usually in good shape and even manage to keep food down when they get home. Libby had not eaten for 26 hours before she was able to eat. That is just way too long. Anyway it's done and over with.

10-11-2006, 01:44 PM	#9 (permalink)
calgal My Yorkster kids! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: central ca. coast Posts: 6,665 Rep Power: 225	I keep her in the little doggie fence with her chews, toys, bed and wee-wee pad. She's feeling so good today that she's tried to climb out. She never cries though, which is a blessing. I think I should put her harness on her and start taking her out in the back yard to walk around a little bit once in awhile. I don't even know if her stitches are the desolving type. I wasn't told. I called to find out, but no one knew and the Vet. that operated left for vacation right after Libby's spay.

10-11-2006, 02:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
mrsgrubby Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,476 Rep Power: 141	Yes, she can begin walking around now, just don't let her play rough with the other dogs. You will be surprised how quickly she will heal. Puppies heal way faster than older dogs do. I am sure the stitches will disolve, very few vets do the kind that need removing anymore. Just keep the area clean and dry.

10-11-2006, 03:41 PM	#12 (permalink)
calgal My Yorkster kids! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: central ca. coast Posts: 6,665 Rep Power: 225	Since I adopted Libby at our local animal shelter, her spay was free, but had to take her 18 miles to Santa Maria. I never got to see the Vet. who operated on Libby. My regular Vet. is 23 miles from me, but he is so well worth the trips. When Zada had the desolving stitches on her knees, they were on the inside where you couldn't see them. Libby's are on the outside, so are those desolving ones also? Both my Yorkie girls were spayed by the breeder before I even adopted them, (because I wasn't showing them) so I wasn't sure how much activity she should have. I did walk her around outside awhile ago. The two Yorkies just sniffed her from end to end but didn't try to play with her. How long should she be this confined before she can actually be outside running around on her own?

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