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[Kaiyah]

Wasn't sure where to put this biut I thought it was pretty interesting. Last month I had Kai brought up to date on his. he got the DA2Pl+CPV initial. I will think twice about having them renewed next year. Not sure what to believe. Its long but has some fascinating points.

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http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates...Article&ID=485

Vaccination in Animals

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International Vaccination Newsletter


Let's start with a potpourri of opinion - a selection of vets who believe vaccines are damaging our dogs.

The April / May 1995 issue of the exellent Wolf Clan Magazine Collected a cacaphony:


Charles E Loops, DVM, Pittsboro, USA said: "The first thing that must change with routine vaccinations is the myth that vaccines are not harmful. Veterinarians and animal guardians have to come to realise that they are not protecting animals from disease by annual vaccinations, but in fact, are destroying the health and immune systems of these same animals they love and care for".

Russell Swift, DVM, Fort Lauderdale, USA, said: "I believe that poor diet and vaccinations are responsible for most chronic diseases. Acute 'diseases' are discharges of toxins and energy from the body. The 'causative' germs assist by breaking down toxins and stumulating cleansing. By preventing these discharges, vaccines result in chronic disorders. Injected vaccines preservatives. They implant mutated microörganisms, preservatives, foreign animal proteins and other compounds directly into the system. This is done in the name of 'preventing' a few syndromes. If an animal is in an optimal state of health, he or she will produce the strongest immune response possible. This response offers protection against all NATURAL challenges. The irony is that vaccine labels say they are to be given only to healthy animals. If they were truly healthy, they would not need them. Those who are not healthy are the most severely damaged".

Pedro Rivera, DVM, Sturtevant, USA, said: "Vaccinosis is the reaction from common innoculations (vaccines) against the body's immune system and general well-being. These reactions might take months or years to show up and will cause undue harm to future generations. In our practice, we have seen hypothyroidism, chronic yeast, ear infections, immune-mediated diseases and worsening of them, joint maladies, and behavioural prolems as secondary reactions to over-vaccination."

Pat Bradley, DVM, Conway, USA, said: "The most common problems I see that are directly related to vaccines on a day to day basis are ear or skin conditions, such as chronic discharges and itching. I also see behaviour problems such as fearfulness or aggression. Often guardians will report that these begin shortly after vaccination, and are exacerbated with every vaccine.

"In a more general and frightening context, I see the overall health and longevity of animals deteriorating. The bodies of most animals have a tremendous capacity to detoxify poisons, but they do have a limit. I think we often exceed that limit and over-whelm the body's immune system function with toxins from vaccines, poor quality foods, insecticides, environmental toxins, etc. This is why we've seen such a dramatic increase in allergies, organ failures, and behaviour problems."

Christina Chambreau, DVM, Madison,USA, said: "Routine vaccinations are probably the worst thing that we do for our animals. They cause all types of illnesses but not directly to where we would relate them definitely to be caused by the vaccine. Repeating vaccinations on a yearly basis undermines the whole energetic well-being of our animals. Animals do not seem to be decimated by one or two vaccines when they are young and veterinary immunologists tell us that viral vaccines need only be given once or twice in an animal's life. First, there is no need for annual vaccinations and, second, they definitely cause chronic disease. As a homoeopath, it is almost impossible to cure an animal without first addressing the problems that vaccines have caused to the animal, no matter what the species."

Mike Kohn, DVM, Madison, USA, said: "Unfortunately our society is in the grasp of a health panacea and this panacea is fuelled by the biomedical and pharmaceutical industries. Vaccinations have become the modern day equivalent of leeching. First of all, introducing foreign material via subcutaneous or intramuscular injection is upsetting to the body's defense system. In response to this violation, there have been increased autoimmune disease (allergies being one component), epilepsy, neoplasia, as well as behavioural problems in small animals.

"Even though man and animals have been around for thousands of years, formal vaccines were introduced within the last century. Interestingly, the increase in cancer, respiratory disorders (most air quality standards are higher today than in decades past), and autoimmune problems have likewise escalated alarmingly during the previous decade. Vaccines are not the only culprit for these increases; however, I feel they are one of the primary offenders."

Kristine Severyn, R. PH., PH.D., Director, Ohio Parents for Vaccine Safety said: "Vaccines are not always effective, safety is unproven, and long-term consequences are unknown. Despite this the government requires their use, resulting in a lack of incentive for drug companies to produce better products. Additionally, mandatory vaccine laws make it impossible to conduct properly controlled studies, so we'll never know if vaccines are truly safe, as is claimed by the government and medical profession.

Similar to other medical procedures, the right of informed consent. i.e., the right to say 'no', should apply to vaccines."

Norman C Ralston, DVM, Mesquite, USA, said: " I think we eventually have to take a look at what is happening to animals because of repeated vaccinations. If you have an animal that within 10 days from the time he received vaccines falls back into a condition that you'd been trying to clean up for some time, you know what happened. We're seeing a condition that is being described by some of my colleagues and myself as vaccinosis.We have to recognise it as being there."

Stephen R Blake, DVM, San Diego, USA, said: "The idea of annual vaccines is really questionable. There is no scientific basis from what I've been able to read. There was a good article in Current Veterinary Therapy a couple of years ago. They did a literature search and the two authors were not 'alternative' veterinarians, and they could find no scientific basis for annual vaccines. So it's just being done; there is no real basis for the practice. There are a lot of chronic conditions that develop some time after vaccinating. Some of these conditions that I see are chronic ear infections, digestive problems, seizures, skin problems, and behavioural problems".

Nancy Scanlon, DVM, Chino Hills, USA, said: "For those who don't believe in the concept of long-term vaccinosis, there is plenty of evidence of short term problems. Every time a dog is vaccinated for Parvo, the number of white blood cells in the circulation decreases for a while. This means their immune system won't work as well during that time. Every veterinarian who has been in practice long enough has seen reactions to vaccines, ranging from lethargy, mild fever, sore neck to vomiting and sleeping for 24 hours, to total collapse and shock. In cats we now recognise that vaccinating with too many vaccines in the same place all the time can cause fibrosarcoma, a nasty cancer. This is officially recognised by the allopathic veterinary community, and if this isn't a form of vaccinosis, I don't know what is".

Finally, Driston Sherman, DVM, Colombus, USA, was quoted in Wolf Clan Magazine as saying: " When I was doing primary allopathic medicine, I saw two things. One is that within an hour after the vaccination was given, the animal was having trouble breathing or may have had redness of the skin. The other thing I saw quite often was usually about twelve to twenty-four hours after being vaccinated, animals with fever, loss of appetite, sleeping a lot, sometimes vomitting or diarrhea. Most of those cases usually took care of themselves without any intervention within twenty-four hours.

"Now that I'm doing holistic medicine, it's really intriguing to look at the medical histories of animals. One case that comes to mind is a cat with a history of these horrible-looking sores that occurred exactly 30 days after being vaccinated - two years in a row. You may want to call that coincidence. I have my suspicions but I can't say , for sure, what caused these conditions, which is very frustrating."

Gary Seymour FBIH DIHom wrote : "Under Israeli law every dog has to receive an anti-rabies vaccination once a year. Within seconds of receiving his first rabies shot, my dog had an adverse reaction and has been ill ever since (a distemper type illness).

"I am convinced that his illness is a direct result of the vaccination he has been given, and deeply fear the results of his vaccination. I see on an almost daily basis in my practice the adverse effects of vaccine poisoning to both childeren and adults. I am a protagonist of the total abolishment of vaccination in both humans and animals. If this short-sighted practice can be curtailed, or even slowed down by your Census, then I offer you my whole hearted support".





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Letterbox

There is a great deal of evidence concerning the adverse effects of vaccines on dogs. This information is generally hidden, and is not easy to find. The Canine Health Census was first started after I lost two young Golden Retrievers. We thought it was time we dog owners gathered evidence, independent of drug company money.

Shortly after our two beautiful dogs died, we received articles and information from other dog lovers whose dogs were suffering from terrible illnesses or dying years before their time. A major authority in vaccine reactions in dogs is Jean Dodds DVM, an American vet and researcher. Ms Dodds contends that Multiple Live Virus vaccines (MLV vaccines) are responsible for many diseases of the immune system in today's dogs. She includes arthritis, epilepsy, thyroid disease, diabetes, allergies and other conditions as those linked to vaccine regime.

I, personally, have many, many letters from dog owners whose dogs reacted violently to their vaccines - within minutes, hours, months. Many say that their dog started limping shortly after vaccination, and the vet diagnosed arthritis. Others say that their dog started having epileptic fits shortly after being vaccinated. When you see letter after letter after letter saying these things, you soon realise that this is not coincidence. However, vets rarely tell their clients that a vaccine is the cause of their dogs' ill health. Is this because they don't think it is? Is it because they don't realise? Or is it because they are all frightened of telling the truth?

A vet typically pays about £5 in England for a vaccine shot. He will charge his client anywhere between £15 and £35. Some people in England - typically the people whose dogs have died, they believe, as a result of the vaccination - say that vaccines are big business for vets: they represent the profitability of a veterinary practice. Also, vets make a lot of money ‘treating' the illnesses that arise from vaccines.

All this, of course, is opinion. So how about some facts: Intervet, a vaccine manufacturer, states in its own veterinary data sheets:

Only healthy dogs should be vaccinated. Following initial vaccination, dogs should not be exposed to infection for at least 14 days. Generalised hypersensitivity reactions following administration may occasionally occur. In this event, administration of Adrenaline BP by the subcutaneous route may be indicated.

A good immune response is reliant on the reaction of an immunogenic agent and a fully competent immune system. Immunocompetence of the animal may be compromised by a variety of factors including poor health, nutritional status, genetic factors, concurrent drug therapy and stress.

I ask these questions:

What is Adrenaline used for? Is it not used for life and death situations? What "generalised hypersensitivity" reactions are they talking about? They don't tell us.

How do you know if your dog is healthy enough to be vaccinated? Can he tell you if he feels ill?

How do you know if your dog's immune system is fully competent? If you feed your dog commercial pet food (containing ‘ash', animal ‘byproducts', vegetable ‘derivatives',) how good is your dog's nutritional status? If they don't tell us, precisely, what is in the dog's food, how do we know? In England, the Pet Food Manufacturers Association states in its own literature that the ingredients of dog food would be thrown away if we didn't give it to dogs!!

How do you know if your dog has ‘genetic factors' that mean he shouldn't be vaccinated? Does your vet ask you whether any of the dog's relatives have epilepsy, thyroid disease, allergies, and so on? Does the vet even take your dog's temperature?

Stress: isn't it stressful for a puppy to be taken away from his littermates and mother, and placed in a completely strange environment, and then jabbed with an assortment of live virus vaccines?

Further, Ronald D. Schultz, a top American veterinary immunologist, conducted a search of all available veterinary literature, trying to find the scientific basis for annual revaccination for dogs. He could find none. This fact was reported in Kirk's Veterinary Therapy, a leading publication for vets. At a seminar in America, Dr. Schultz is reported as having said that distemper would have died out years ago if we hadn't vaccinated our dogs. The vaccine regime is keeping the virus in the ecosystem.

Further, the canine distemper vaccine is actually the measles virus (cfr Black's Veterinary Dictionary). Compare vaccine reactions in children who have been given the measles virus: epilepsy, bowel disorders, allergies, autism, etc... all the same reactions can be seen in dogs.

Except, of course, poor dog owners are never told this by their vets. So when their dog becomes ill, they are confused and grieving, and they don't think to speak with their friends and share information. There is not, to my knowledge, one single consumer protection body of dogs (or cats). We have listened to the ‘experts' as if they were gods. Having seen hundreds of letters from dog owners, and having conducted a great deal of research, I know for a fact that vaccines can be extremely damaging to our pets. We are not told of the risks, so we must inform ourselves.

I would be grateful if any of your readers who own dogs would take part in the Canine Health Census. We are seeking to gather case histories of 16,577 dogs. This will give us the statistical evidence to prove (or disprove) whether vaccines, commercial pet food, drugs, chemicals (including flea treatments and agricultural chemicals), stress and other factors are creating death and disease in the modern dog. We have refused sponsorship from companies selling into the multi-billion £ pet market - so dog lovers are funding the Census themselves. So far, over 2,000 dogs are taking part.

Yours sincerely,
Catherine O'Driscoll
The Canine Health Census
P.O. Box 1, Longnor, Derbyshire, SK17 0JD, England Tel +44 1298 84737
Fax 84739



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Dear Editor,
In response to Sabine Hansske's query in the last IVN issue, a year or two ago a programme on New Zealand television reported on the devastating effects of vaccination in kittens whose development became stunted after vaccination. I was told by a cat breeder that it was so bad that cat breeders falsified documents to testify their (unvaccinated) animals were vaccinated to ensure their animals were admitted to show competitions , simply because they could no longer bear to see their valuable animals ruined by vaccination.

Dr. Gerhard Buchwald MD in his book Impfen - Das Geschäft mit der Angst (Vaccination - A Business Based on Fear) reports that there were many more outbreaks of foot-and-mouth disease in European countries where cattle was vaccinated against the disease than in the European countries which didn't vaccinate. It was only when the use of the vaccine was prohibited in the European Union that there were no further outbreaks (similar to smallpox which only disappeared once mass vaccination programmes were replaced by strict quarantine and disinfection measures).

The vaccine against the swinepest was prohibited in the European Union for similar reasons. Veterinarian Dr. K. Strohmaier from Tubingen-Germany commented:

"The experience of the last few years has shown that vaccinations only suppress the disease, which can soon return... Vaccinations prevent the establishment of healthy pig-populations."

Paediatricians could learn a lot from veterinarians. Whether they want to is another matter.

Erwin Alber, Vaccination Information Network
New Zealand

[clraymond]

Okay, so to be honest with you, I didn't read the whole thing. I know that I probably shouldn't comment considering I DIDN'T read the entire thing, but... I know that there are a lot of studies and debate over children getting proper vaccinations, but for me- the pros outweigh the cons.

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Lori

[Owned by Lucy]

While I did not read the above article in its entireity I have done vast amounts of research on the benefits and detriments of vaccinations.

First thing, once you have formed an immunity for a virus it does not go away and exposure to that same substance again does NOT make you more immune. The titers that they draw measure circulating antibodies which is an indicator of recent exposure but even if those are not present there is still immunity in the form of memory cells which can not be tested for. Titers are a useful in determining if exposure to a vaccine has resulted in a "sero-converted" by making antibodies and by default memory cells. Often this does not occur with young puppies becuase of the presence of maternal antibodies still circulating in the blood.

I only have few quams about vaccinating in general but what I do have a problem with is over vaccination. There is no reason to give the same vaccine over and over every year or even every three years becuase it offers absolutely no additional protection.

The two other things that I have found is that many of the vaccinations that we are giving are useless becuase they are for bacteria. Bacteria are rapidly changing and within a single species there can be millions of strains and a single vaccine cannot protect against all of them. So if you get the Lyme Disease vaccine it will be ineffective unless infected with that particular strain covered in the vaccine. Second, many of the vaccines that are given to adult animals are for disease that are only seen in young or infantile animals. Things like Parvo are only a mild annoyance in adult animals which rarely show symptoms while in puppies and kittens can be fatal. So why continue to vaccinate adults when it is not a threat.

[BellFounder]

Originally Posted by Owned by Lucy

First thing, once you have formed an immunity for a virus it does not go away and exposure to that same substance again does NOT make you more immune. The titers that they draw measure circulating antibodies which is an indicator of recent exposure but even if those are not present there is still immunity in the form of memory cells which can not be tested for.

You're almost right but even memory cells have a finite life span and once they run out ... well you need to boost every so often to get new memory cells.
The most current thinking is that once a dog has had its puppy vaccinations it requires only its first yearly booster, another one, three years after that and then another when the dog is ten years old should it live that long.
The total abolition of vaccinations is a very dangerous thought. The recent dip in uptake of childhood vaccines because of the worries over multiple vaccines has proved that beyond a doubt. For the first time in many years in the UK there have been serious outbreaks of measles and mumps, with every unvaccinated person exaserbating the problem by providing a reservoir of infectable people.
I am 100% in favour of vaccination, over vaccination is a different concern altogether and research is ongoing.

[GSD]

Originally Posted by BellFounder

The total abolition of vaccinations is a very dangerous thought. The recent dip in uptake of childhood vaccines because of the worries over multiple vaccines has proved that beyond a doubt. For the first time in many years in the UK there have been serious outbreaks of measles and mumps, with every unvaccinated person exaserbating the problem by providing a reservoir of infectable people.
I am 100% in favour of vaccination, over vaccination is a different concern altogether and research is ongoing.

Get past the news reports and find me the real numbers that tell the real story of who exactly was and wasn't vaccinated, and I'll be my life there were as many,(probably more) vaccinated people that came down with it. They never tell you the numbers in the news report because it would never be favorable to confirming the desperate need for vaccines. We had a serious outbreak of whooping cough, and on the news they stressed the importance of vaccines. Every single kid I knew was vaccinated, in fact I was never made aware of a single unvaccinated kid having been diagnosed with it. I'm sure there were some but please try and look past the propaganda. Fear is a great motivator, and Fear is what they push in every vaccine story, and this of course generates billion and billions of easy money every year for those who make it. One article that I especially liked was feb of last year in the new york times. If I had my home computer online I would post the article verbatim, but I'll just summerize. Its about parents not getting their children a flu vaccine, and 30+ children had died as a result. Can you believe the audacity of those parents not getting their child a life saving shot, what %$#%^%^ they must be. Well in the same article they point out that 100+ kids had died from the flu so far that year. Once anyone got past the shock that anyone would be so foolish as to not vaccinate their kids, they might have realized that well over 2X's as many died that were vaccinated. almost every outbreak in measle in the US in the past 10 years has been in vaccinated populations. Its hard to find the numbers, but then again, its not something they want the public to know. I suppose i'm getting way off topic, I'll try and get back to dogs if I can. So basically researchers have told us that yearly vaccines aren't necessary in our pets and can be harmful, and now its jut going to take some time for the money machine to accept it and allow the guidlines to be changed.

[Owned by Lucy]

There is absolutely no proff that memory cells diminish over time. There is no way to detect them, even on autopsy. If the memory cells deminished overtime hwo would you account for the millions of people who have lifetime immunity to contracted diseases like chickenpocs, measles, mumps and many others. GSD is right on with his ascertion about people getting sick even after being vaccinated. I have worked in healthcare for the last 10 years and I am currently in Medical School and of all the cases I have seen of Measles and Mumps in that time were in vaccinated people most of which allowed themselves to be exposed to infected individuals becuase they beleived they were immune.

The tests they uses to determine immunity and how long each vaccine provides immunity is the titer. This ONLY tells about circulating antibodies and in general they are not accurate for determining actual immunity. The fact is that vaccines can sometimes causes problems that are more detrimental than the actually disease it is supposed to prevent. I have had three cats dies from vaccine injection site tumors, my two current dogs are very sensitive to one or more of the additives in the vaccines and have reactions ranging from severe injection site reactions, vomiting and diarrhea to anaphalxis. For me it's a no-brainer, the reaction my pets have to this vaccines is potentially fatal and it is a risk I am not willing to take for diseases that are either rare or exhibit only mild symptoms in a otherwise healthy animal.

I hold myslef to these same standards and only get vaccines when the benefits outweigh the risks. In my profession there are many vaccines that we are required to receive and most are required to be boostered every so often. They test immunity by titer and I can avoid excess vacciniations by having titers done. So take Hep B for example which I received nearly 18 years ago. They say "immunity" only lasts for 7 years so you are supposed to get boostered every 5. I have had my titers done every five years and still have a large number of circulating antibodies so I have not had to be re-vaccinnated. The same for tetanus which is required every ten. Each of these I had early in childhood and there protection has not waned. My titer for M, M and R are due soon but I am fairly confident the result will be the same.

In the end this is a decision that each person, parent and dog owner must make for themselves and those that depend on them For me the possible risks and consequeces of annual vaccines (or even regular boosters) is too much for me. For someothers it may not. All I ask is for people to be informed, not buy into all the hype and propaganda, and make the decision that is best for them. For the record I do not beleive in the abolition of all vaccines. There are some that are true lifesavers when used and administered properly. THe trap that we have fallen into is beleiving that "more is better."


As a side note you can decrease the risk associated with vaccines by not giving multiple injections on the same day and not giving the vaccines that contain multiple vaccines in one shot.

[GSD]

Originally Posted by Owned by Lucy

As a side note you can decrease the risk associated with vaccines by not giving multiple injections on the same day and not giving the vaccines that contain multiple vaccines in one shot.

I believe this is the way all vaccines should be given, human and animal alike. There is a lot of research that shows these to be much safer, and much more effective. Less contaminants and they allow the body to adapt a certain infectious agent, not multiple ones at once. But they aren't as profitable to those making them, insurance won't pay for single dose injections that haven't been preserved with contaminating agents, and another reason they don't push them is that they bank on the fact that they can get a parent to bring the child in a few times over the course of a coule years for multiple dose shots, rather than multiple times for one at a time. Nobody likes to hear their child cry.

[Pugdawg1]

My pugs will be going in for titers this summer sometime. Two have not had vaccinations in 3 yrs. One had vaccinations, one big nasty cocktail I'm sure, at the local animal shelter, and the other is UTD on his.. he just turned a year old. Previous owners did all shots with him. I called on prices.. 74.50 for the first dog, and 10 bucks less each additional dog. Fine by me, gives me peace of mind. I want my boys healthy. Annual vaccinations make me cringe. All that can't be healthy....

[calgal]

I use three Vets. and none will give annual shots unless they have the titers test and it shows they need it. Anyway, my 13 year old Chihuahua nearly died from shots and even after 8 years, her titers are normal. Zada, my 6 month old Yorkie has had her initial shots and wont get any more unless in 3 years when I take her for her titers it shows she's low.

[adahen]

I believe you should have your pets checked by doing a titers
/www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/chang_vac.htm. They have discovered adverse reactions in pets who are bombarded with vaccinations

[shandoggy1]

Here is my two cents My boy just turned a year old and is due for his rabies in August which will then be good for 3 years. What ever else he might need will get done and then no more until 3 more years. After lots of research and talking to people on the animal forums I am on, it just seems like alls the vets do it every year for is to make $$$ and we don't realise the harm we are causing to our beloved pets

[bigdoglover]

Not that anyone cares, but I have to say this....the first doctor listed in the very beginning of the post, Charles Loops, owns one of my pups. I knew he was holistic, and don't have a problem with it. I saw the pup in March of this year, and, she was in perfect health. Shiney coat, clear eyes, etc. She was exhuberant and loving.

That being said, I had a GSD once that had only been vaccinated one time, and that was for Rabies. He died when he was 12 years old, and never had an illness...ever.

I vaccinate my litters. First round, and boosters if they are still here. I leave it up to the owners to make that decision. Living out in the country, I consider Rabies a mandatory vaccine, every 3 years. As for the others? I have yet to decide. The information points to vaccines after the first year being dangerous, and not needed. I think it is definitely something to think about.

Thank you for posting that article!

[shandoggy1]

Just for the record to I met a guy who had a pitbull for 17 years who NEVER went to the vet other than when he was a small pup for all his shots. After he was a year old he only had to go back at the mid point of his life for a split open paw, but that was it! I found it incredible but it was true. Until I found out that getting shots every year is not necessary I thought the guy was crazy, but now that I know more it kind of makes me wonder what we are doing to our babies by over vaccinating. I have two cats that are indoors that get all there shots as kittens and get spayed and then they don't get any shots for the rest of there lives. My last two cats lived until they were 18 and 19 so that says something

[nitag]

How do you handle the mandatory rabies? i haven't figured out how to get out of that. i will not be vaccinating again for the adult dogs except for rabies which is required by law yearly. i don't agree that it should be done yearly and i have the link of someone to contact about changing hte laws but people react to rabies with fear and we seem to have a lot of ignorance here about vaccines in this country. too much buying into propaganda.

i don't vax my human kids and i will not vax my fur kids anymore either.

[shandoggy1]

Originally Posted by nitag

How do you handle the mandatory rabies? i haven't figured out how to get out of that. i will not be vaccinating again for the adult dogs except for rabies which is required by law yearly. i don't agree that it should be done yearly and i have the link of someone to contact about changing hte laws but people react to rabies with fear and we seem to have a lot of ignorance here about vaccines in this country. too much buying into propaganda.

i don't vax my human kids and i will not vax my fur kids anymore either.

Rabies are supposed to be good for 3 years so unless your laws are different in Alabama than in Massachusetts it shouldn't be every year. I would look into it further. Let me give you an example, my boy got his rabies at 4 months old and now he is a year old and is due for more shots in August when he will receive another rabies shot that will then be good for 3 years as long as his current shots are up to date and haven't lapsed.