Alternative to PitBull ban

[DaxAriel's toy]

We've heard all the pitt lovers say it's not the breed BLAH BLAH, etc. and there is a thread for that. HOWEVER, if you don't want a ban then it is up to you pit lovers to come up with an alternative to the law makers. Something that can be enforced, protects public safety, and is fair to pit owners as well as the owners of other dogs.

Let's use this thread to find alternatives and then someone could type it as a proposal and submitt it to the powers that be.

I'll start....

1) Unaltered males & females are most likely to have aggression problems in all breeds. I propose that the annual license fees for intact males be raised to $300/year and $300/year for females. Fines for not having a license to be raised to $1500. per incident with 3 incidents resulting in the seizure of the animal in question. Fees for de-sexed animals to be $25 for either male or female for dogs under 40 lbs and $35 for dogs over 40lbs.

For legitimate breeders this is a small price to pay but for the person who is too lazy or cheap to fix their males makes it worth their while. The intent is to reduce the number of un-neutered males in the community. Also bigger dogs should pay slightly more as they have the potential for bigger messes, etc.

2) Dogs of any breed who attack another animal or human where the teeth penatrate the skin, to be classified as aggressive. The animal in question must undergo a full vet examination to determine the following issues; general health, general disposition, and disease potential. The vet has full authority to recommend the animal be humanely put down or released back to the owners. Owners of such dogs must sign a contract with the community on what precautions they must take in order to get the dog back. IE, dog kennel or muzzles in dog parks, etc. The owner to agree that failure to abide by the terms of the contract will result in the animal being seized and destroyed.

This would target the offenders vs the breed. It wouldn't matter if it was a pit or jack russel - a certified vet would make the determination if the animal has problems that can't be resolved thru training, etc.

That's two for you. I believe these would be enforceable within the existing animal control guidelines. The extra money generated from licensing could help off set some of the "policeing costs"

[pittiegurl]

Dax-I have 1 question.

What about those people who have like 10+ dogs that are altered?

Say as:Rescues!

Are they supposed to spend $35 on every dog?

That wouldn't be fair to the Dally rescue that I volunteer at,because they have 40+ dogs. Would they have to spend $35 on every dog?

[fireworksinjuly]

Most rescues dont have to license their dogs. Same with like SPCA's and other humain societies. They are not intending to keep them.

[pittiegurl]

Oh,okay,that was what I was wondering about,because that wouldn't be fair to rescue groups who have 20+ dogs.

[fireworksinjuly]

No it woudlnt, they are considered non profit groups who often are excempt from many types of things like that. So untill they are in a "permintant" home they dont have to be licensed.

Breeders would only have to pay for the parents, cuz most places dont require a License untill they are a year old.

[DaxAriel's toy]

Originally Posted by pittiegurl

Dax-I have 1 question.

What about those people who have like 10+ dogs that are altered?

Say as:Rescues!

Are they supposed to spend $35 on every dog?

That wouldn't be fair to the Dally rescue that I volunteer at,because they have 40+ dogs. Would they have to spend $35 on every dog?

How do they work now? Here in Edmonton if you have more than 2 dogs you need to apply for a special license & it is in effect for dogs over 6 months of age (so breeders won't have to register puppies). Not only that but isn't the idea of rescues to save the dogs & put them in foster homes as soon as possible.

SO... Pittgurl - if we can make this thing a proposal - ADD in what should happen for Rescue groups.

Come on people --- let's make this a workable solution. ADD - Clarifiy - Modify.

[pittiegurl]

I Do Not think that rescue groups should have to apply for a liscense,because-as Fire said-They are not keeping the dogs.

[dogx3]

With regards to dog bites, by any breed, in my city the dog is seized by the authorities, even for first time biters, and quaranteened for ten days during which time its fate is decided. Most often the dog is put down, especially when someone is seriously injured.

The city I live in offers a break to dog owners. If your dog is spayed or nutered and chipped you only pay a one time fee of $25 per dog for a lifetime liscense.

[DaxAriel's toy]

1) Unaltered males & females are most likely to have aggression problems in all breeds. I propose that the annual license fees for intact males be raised to $300/year and $300/year for females. Fines for not having a license to be raised to $1500. per incident with 3 incidents resulting in the seizure of the animal in question. Fees for de-sexed animals to be $25 for either male or female for dogs under 40 lbs and $35 for dogs over 40lbs. Charitable societies such as rescue groups, aids to living assist groups, and Societies for the Prevention of Cruelty to animals are exempted from obtaining licenses for dogs to be adopted out.


2) Dogs of any breed who attack another animal or human where the teeth penatrate the skin, to be classified as aggressive. The animal in question must undergo a full vet examination to determine the following issues; general health, general disposition, and disease potential. The vet has full authority to recommend the animal be humanely put down or released back to the owners. Owners of such dogs must sign a contract with the community on what precautions they must take in order to get the dog back. IE, dog kennel or muzzles in dog parks, etc. The owner to agree that failure to abide by the terms of the contract will result in the animal being seized and destroyed.

[fireworksinjuly]

my city you pay $14 for an under year old dog, un neutered, no rabies...

over a year un neutered no rabies can not be licensed and you have 10 days to get rabies shots before the dog is siesed.

1+ un neutered w/ rabies is $14..

1+ neutered w/ rabies is $6..

the un neutered 1+ I think should be raised.

[fireworksinjuly]

you cant rewrite something with out understanding what is in place now so do not yell at us for discussing this, when it is more then pertinent.

[DaxAriel's toy]

Laws are different everywhere so it's not relevant. What we need it is to make a new bylaws to keep Pitti's & rotti's from being banned. IF what existed worked - we wouldn't have the problems we do now.

[fireworksinjuly]

and by talking about local laws that don’t work we can discuss what might work on a federal scale. it is relevant whether you think so or not.

[DaxAriel's toy]

Again.. this is the internet and there are several countries here not just the US of A. And it is unlikely to be a federal law anyway. What we should be concentrating on is not this debate & discussion of what is but writing something that anyone can take to thier local government and say ... "Try this instead - it's manageable & will work"

So far you've added nothing to this cause. Where are all the pitt lovers. I guess it's easier just to boo whoo about the bad rep. vs do something constructive about it.

I am trying to get some input here about how we can make it better (the operative word being BETTER).

Do you want to give them something besides banning to protect the public safety? Or should we just throw up our hands and let others make the rules - believe me the people who want them banned have no problems writing down the laws that will see dog ownership of Pitt bulls a thing of the past.

It's your choice - will we discuss your right to tell us what laws you have or will you just incorporate the ones that work into this document & be done with it?

The clock is ticking on the pitt problem..... TICK TOCK

[dollface]

Just because a dog is intact does not mean it will be aggressive. Fixed dogs can be aggressive to...It all comes down to how well the owners socialized the dog...A better thing would be to make owners who get dogs from a shelter of some sort in the fee you get a puppy class (if puppy) and also an obedience class so you as a owner can learn how to properly train your dog and to have a well socialized dog. That should also be enforced for banned breeds as well. Also the dog should be evaluated once a year to twice a year for the rest of its lives....I personally do not agree with paying that fee for an intact bitch or dog, gonna end up with alot more in the pound and PTS.

I happen to know alot of intact dogs and not one is aggressive, if that was a case I'm sure there would be alot of dog fights at shows. Sometimes when a dog/bitch is fixed they can become more aggressive because their harmones/testosterome is outta wak, kinda like when a person gets a histerectomy and needs meds because her body is all outta wak.