OMG did anyone watch pedigree dogs exposed

[luna_17]

Hello all and welcome i just wanted to now all your opinions and queries on pedigree dogs exposed
do you think it is crufts that re-inforce breeding?
What do you think about pedigrees now?
what do you think about cross breeds?
i was watching this and i have to agree with what Mark evans was stating,
The programme shows spaniels with brains too big for their skulls and boxers suffering from epilepsy. The Kennel Club says it works tirelessly to improve the health of pedigree dogs. Pedigree animals make up 75% of the seven million dogs in the UK and cost their owners over £10m in vets' fees each week. its remarkable to think that their are soo many pedigrees out their with magnificant lines but the cross breeds are better off health wise.
I also thought it was wrong when the owners of king charles spaniel was still studing/breeding their dog with syringomyelia, it is even hereditary and passed onto their litters so they have spoilt those puppies lives already.
thanks for listening and i owuld love to hear your views on this subject as it made me very angry, and very much sad for those dogs watching this also putting rhodesian ridgebacks down that are perfectly healthy because they have no ridge that is outrageous
many thanks and kind regards
jessica
im sorry if this has made people angry i really dso apologise for that

[Swiftwind]

Do you know if this show can be found on YouTube? It sounds very interesting..

[luna_17]

Hang on i will look for the link now here you go i think this is it
]BBC iPlayer - Pedigree Dogs Exposed
enjoy and please give comments
many thanks
jessica

[c0_re]

Shoot can't watch from the USA

The fact is mutt's are healthier than pure breeds and always will be, lack of genitic deversity is going to be a major problem with pure breed dogs a 100 years from now and already is for some breeds.

[Dangels]

That sounds very interesting.... would really be worth a watch. I wonder if it can be found somewhere in the US?

[luna_17]

hello yes you could watch it in the uk you can go through you tube and watch it, it enlightend me to what goes on behind clsed doors

[luna_17]

i agree with some of the opinions you have posted but after watching that it just shows how crufts only want the best dog because take the rhodesian ridgeback that they showed the breeder pts some of the healtheir puppie because they didnt have the ridge and she stated if they havent got the ridge they aint a ridgeback but they come from the same champion lines it isnt the puppies fault the puppies lives are ruined beofre they had begun it is sickingin about the extent that people will go to, to get the perfect show dog, any person would of taken thoughs dogs on she also stated that she would rather them pts than go to a person who will fight them, but she could of sold them half the price she was selling though puppies with the ridge but no she would rather put them to sleep.
many thanks for reading
kindest regards
jessica and Luna
p.s i am not just picking on rhodesian ridge back breeders it is accuring in all breeds not happy until the perfect dog is born
i am not suggesting all breeders are like this.

[Cassiepeia]

I'd like to watch this. I find it hard to believe that those breeders (like the Ridgy breeder) are in the majority though.

Cass.

[King Pup]

I think most of today's breeds have been over-bred to some extent. Just look at American labs for instance, nearly all of them have something going on with their back legs and hips...and Wheaten terriers are getting crazier and crazier in temperament. I was talking to a lifelong Wheaten owner about this not so long ago, he said he had Wheatens in the 70s before they became a popular breed, and they were totally different to the ones you get now.

[PawNclaws]

Originally Posted by King Pup

I think most of today's breeds have been over-bred to some extent. Just look at American labs for instance, nearly all of them have something going on with their back legs and hips...and Wheaten terriers are getting crazier and crazier in temperament. I was talking to a lifelong Wheaten owner about this not so long ago, he said he had Wheatens in the 70s before they became a popular breed, and they were totally different to the ones you get now.

Are you talking about their back legs giving out ? If so, that would be EIC. They now have a DNA test for it . It's still getting the kinks worked out. I believe they have not found the single mutated gene that causes EIC, just one/s that is associated with EIC. It's a big step in the right direction, and from what I have heard/read it will not be long for the test to be 99% accurate. CHD is not a huge problem in Labs that are bred responsibly. It is , like any problem , a big issue when dealing with Labs who come from typical BYBs. If people screen their dogs, breed to only Studs/Bitches that are compatible, and the breeders research the Dog/Bitches Pedigree to make sure not only the dogs , but their pedigrees are compatible, then we would have fewer problems. Yes, we can't get rid of many of the problems, but at least we can maintain and try to breed away from.The last thing a breeder wants, is to double on a know problem. It's like PRA in Labs, the numbers of affected are lower (to my understanding anyway) because breeders who are responsible, test their Labs and breed only Clear and Carriers (carefully !). I do not agree with breeders killing health pups due to a fault, I find that extreme. I am also shocked about the Peke. He has a KNOWN defect that can be serious, and he was STILL bred.. that really ticks me off...

[c0_re]

Originally Posted by King Pup

I think most of today's breeds have been over-bred to some extent. Just look at American labs for instance, nearly all of them have something going on with their back legs and hips...and Wheaten terriers are getting crazier and crazier in temperament. I was talking to a lifelong Wheaten owner about this not so long ago, he said he had Wheatens in the 70s before they became a popular breed, and they were totally different to the ones you get now.

The damage done to labs and goldens by bad breeding over the years breaks my heart, seeing a 3-5 year old dog that can barely walk makes me want to cry because I know it didn't have to be that way.

[Doglover1988]

I am currently watching it right now. If anyone wants to see it here are the youtube videos. Warning some parts are very sad and disturbing...I will share my opinion when I finish watching.

YouTube - Pedigree Dogs Exposed Part 1 of 6


YouTube - Pedigree Dogs Exposed Part 2 of 6


YouTube - Pedigree Dogs Exposed Part 3 of 6


YouTube - Pedigree Dogs Exposed Part 4 of 6


YouTube - Pedigree Dogs Exposed Part 5 of 6


YouTube - Pedigree Dogs Exposed Part 6 of 6

[Swiftwind]

I just watched the documentary... I'm so surprised the lady with the cavalier who had the neurological disorder (the brain too big for the skull) didn't have the dog put down earlier, especially after what the vet said - that even a collar on the dog could cause it pain! She clearly had the dog for at least 18 months after the dog started showing signs of something wrong.

I think one of the most depressing purebreds is the German Shepherd. I actually cringe when I see the ones who have been bred with such a sloped back and shorter hind legs. It looks (and is) incredibly unnatural. I can't believe that judge said the show German Shepherd is anatomically correct (compared to the working GSD). He must be totally blind and completely oblivious!!

Seeing the Boxer Dog have an epileptic fit nearly brought me to tears.. it's so sad seeing dogs suffering, let alone YOUNG dogs. I'm a bit baffled though, I didn't think anyone had proven that mixed breed dogs were "healthier" and "lived longer" than purebred dogs. I'd be interested to know their sources.

The way the breeders disregard or deny the faults of their dogs is hideous.. they should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.

[Novel]

I don't think that there is any proof that a limited gene pool necessarily means unhealthy specimens of the breed.

Although the Pennsylvania Dutch have one of the most closed gene pools among the human species and they do suffer from some genetic diseases because of the lack of diversity, the majority also go on to live long healthy lives.

I do not think it is very good science to make a statement that cross-breeds, mixed breeds, etc are "healthier" simply because of a more diverse gene pool. Nor do I think you can say pedigree dogs are "healthier" because of a less diverse gene pool. It is more accurate to say that there are poorly bred dogs and there are well-bred dogs. Some are the product of carefully planned and chosen breedings, others are the product of random and haphazard pairings. The actual pairing of the genes determines the "health" of the pup and as of yet we have no control to that degree.

[Kris]

I watched both the BBC program and the counter-argument by Cahill. Both went to great lengths to exagerrate their viewpoints.

A similar debate is currently going on within the IW community because the breed is being 'typed' as either athletic or show. It is a ridiculous argument in my view because the athletic 'type' is too close to a Deerhound and the show 'type' is incapable of the speed necessary to bring down a wolf or elk. A balance is required.

I would hope that the kennel clubs would shortly begin looking at health as a requirement for showing. They claim to be about improving the breeds or they should simply change their mission to say they are about improving the looks of the breed. Both form and function should be considered. When one is valued over the other all breeds suffer.