designer dogs

[stardust]

anyone watch the show today on National Geographic about designer dogs? dogs like labadoodles, wolf hybrids, and dogs bred specifically to do fly ball tournaments... like a cross between a Border Collie and a Pit.. or a Border and a JRT.... i thought people worked sooo hard and soooooo long to get a specific breed to be just perfect.. these designer dogs... well.. they arent uniform.. one cocka-poo looks completely different from the next. anyway.. did anyone else watch it or have any opinions on designer dogs?

[fireworksinjuly]

I had seen commercials for it but refused to watch it cuz I thought it would make me mad. I agree with what your saying about the dogs, and what I go from the commercial is that they are taking great dogs and screwing them up, so I didnt watch it.

the whole concept of poo dogs botheres me- THEY ARE MUTTS...why breed mutts when there are tons including puppies in shelters that need homes.

though one thing I missed is what the...a labadoodle is?

[Rip's Girl]

the whole concept of poo dogs botheres me- THEY ARE MUTTS...why breed mutts when there are tons including puppies in shelters that need homes.

My feelings exactly..

I didn't watch it either.. I know if I do I'll get po'ed.

[stardust]

i wasnt plannin on watching it..i was flipping through channels and saw dogs on tv and automatically stopped to watch. some of it was interesting.. there is this EXTREMELY protective dog... i reant remember the name now.. anyway it weighs like 180 pounds and is very aggressive... and it hasnt been changed since the begining (it is several hundred years old) anyway it is so strong it pulled a 150 pound man to his butt. and a labradoodle is a lab and poodle.. very strange looking dogs. although the alaskan klee klee was very cute..

i have contradicting feelings on new breeds of dogs. i feel they are messing up the established breeds.. BUT also the established breeds were once knew and experimenting and testing and breeding had to be done to get them. so i am not sure how i feel about it. maybe when and if these newer breeds get established and there is a standard it will make things easier to sort out.. but for now i am not sure how i feel.

[fireworksinjuly]

Isnt the Alaskin Klee Klee kinda like a mini Husky? well not like but it looks like it, but isnt.

new breeds might be ok in a few cases, but with poo's there is no commonalitys at all...if you want to start a new breed at least have some sort of standard to start with cuz none of them look alike or even resemble one another.

[Rip's Girl]

I don't see a problem with creating new breeds, but when EVERYONE breeds them because they are in demand, that's just wrong, and that's what sours me on 'designer breeds'.

The Alaskan Klee Kai is a breed that I can see with a future. The breed is showing some form and it is relatively predictable what the pups will be like.

The poodle breeds, however... uh-uh. I'd just as soon see the yorkie-poos and pommie-poos STOP being bred, because responsible breeders won't touch them, and BYB don't KNOW enough on the subject of how to create a breed to have reliable features, coat, size and temperament.

[Rip's Girl]

LOL fireworks we posted the same thing about the poodle breeds at the same time.

[fireworksinjuly]

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...dogs.html#main

and article I found on what were talking about....

this bugged me "If a bitch was in season and a male was interested, well, he just said, 'why not.'"

we both said the same thing Rip cuz its true...

[stardust]

yes the alaskan klee kai (or however its spelled) is supposed to look like a mini husky.. it is a mix of siberian husky, (another one i cant remember) breed of husky, american eskimo and schipperke(sp) and there are three different sizes of them. toy, up to 13 inches, mini up to 15 and above is standard. (im not positive i have the sizes completely right to the inch.. but it was pretty close to that) very gorgeous breed.

[stardust]

i also like the idea of the original labradoodle. a hypo allergenic guide dog. THAT is a good idea.. but just getting one because they are popular and designer is not a good idea.

[Pugdawg1]

I did watch that show awhile back, and yup, I got irked. I do not like all these "poo" breeds. People out to make a buck, producing mix breeds, and doing no good for either breed involved. It bothers me.

[Smooshie]

The way I see it, in the case of Labradoodles and Goldendoodles....they are mixes so they can't be 100% guaranteed to be 'hypoallergenic' So I don't see a real use for them being bred and sold...especially for such ridiculously high price tags! Besides if we need hypoallergenic service dogs, what is wrong with the purebred Standard Poodle?

From what I have read about the majority of these 'poo' breeds (and please...correct me if I'm wrong) Breeders prefer to breed mostly F1 crosses (poodle with lab...rather than doodle with doodle) because they claim these first generation crosses are less likely to inherit genetic deficiencies ('hybrid vigor' which I think is baloney...JMO) . So these dogs will never be an actual 'breed."

Like we don't have enough pound puppies already

[Rip's Girl]

Many of the hybrid dogs are part poodle—the rationale is to create dogs that don't shed. A Yorkipoo, cockapoo, and schnoodle are all part poodle and part Yorkshire terrier, cocker spaniel, and Schnauzer, respectively.

EXCUSE ME? I saw a lab/poodle cross several days ago with a LABRADOR COAT and poodle characteristics.

There is NO predictability to these breeds. If that's all the motive they have for making mixed poodle breeds, that they don't shed, then they need to look at the MANY less-than-desirable offspring that DO shed.

If they want a hypoallergenic guide dog, they should get a standard poodle. Those dogs are very intelligent and obedient and could do very well in guide work. If you don't need a hypoallergenic guide dog, get a different purebred or a SHELTER PUPPY!

Since these breeds have no guidelines for what to expect in temperament (For example, the schnoodle. The schnauzer & poodle have VERY different temperaments. If you want a Scnauz temperament, and get a schnoodle, you COULD wind up with the poodle temperament) they can't use the 'but these dogs are sooo sweet' card. Lots of dogs in shelters are sooo sweet too.

[lou3]

I think its a case of horses for courses. The best seeing eye dogs have in recnet years been proven to be first cross labrador/golden retriever, If these crosses are producing dogs that are excellent for a specific purpose then i see nothing wrong with it. As long as standards are maintained with the parent breeds as well then full steam ahead.
Lou

[dollface]

Originally Posted by stardust

i also like the idea of the original labradoodle. a hypo allergenic guide dog. THAT is a good idea.. but just getting one because they are popular and designer is not a good idea.

Actually the labradoodle they can not guarentee it to be hypo allergenic do to the fact the labs are not. So when you breed these two together you will get some that will shed and have alergies from ect where some you won't...