Pet Stores..... - Page 2

fireworksinjuly · 10-03-2004, 06:22 PM

i know for a fact my dog was from a breeder...she may not be the most responsible person in the world to be selling at a pet store but she is NOT a Mill. I have met her, seen her breeding area and she is very nice. I agree with flyndog, NOT ALL are puppy mill, while some are...NOT ALL ARE.

***Carrie*** · 10-03-2004, 09:26 PM

(is there such a thing as a 'better' store that supports puppy mills?)

Rip, you probably know my answer anyway....to that. NO. I think someone should write something in the newspaper for all to read explaining about responsible breeders, how they health check, how they promote their dogs and earn titles to show that the dogs can measure up to what they were bred for, about their breeding carefully for temperament, how their pups are being cared for as their own children until ready for their new homes going straight to a family and NOT to a place like a pet store where they're not being raised correctly at their most impressionable stage. I am still of the opinion from experience with buying purebred dogs and talking to lots of reputable breeders that they would never, ever put their dogs in a pet shop to sell. They wouldn't have to. Those breeder's dogs are sold before they're born and sometimes before they're conceived. The ones I've known and talked to would no sooner put their dogs in a place like that than their own children. So there are different levels I guess of breeders. I'm sure some are better than others and some are caring for their dogs pretty well, but they are most likely back yard breeders.

Fireworks, your breeder may be the nicest person in the world. But she's unknowing and jumping in and breeding with too little knowledge. You got lucky I guess. I'm sure some dogs are better than others but IMO, this is still the wrong way to go about dog breeding and selling. Puppy mill or not, the breeders who put their dogs in a pet store are not proper breeders.

Maybe if the word got out, people would stop patronizing pet stores if they only got educated about it. If people refuse to buy from these pet stores, it will put these sellers out of business, leaving breeding up to breeders who breed top notch dogs and don't need to sell them that way. If someone doesn't care about having a purebred dog, then they can choose one from a shelter. They can even go to purebred rescues if they want a purebred but don't care so much about quality or knowledge of their history. It is soooooo important for breeders to breed ONLY because they want to improve upon the last generation of their breed.

flyndog · 10-03-2004, 10:13 PM

But, if there are no more pet shop dogs, and only responsible breeders (who don't let their pups go until 12 weeks) , there won't be nearly enough work for all the dog trainers and behaviorists!

(Wouldn't that be nice?)
Kit

***Carrie*** · 10-03-2004, 10:25 PM

OMG Kit! I'm laughing so hard. You have such a great sense of humor sometimes. You're right! And don't forget the veterinarians. They might go broke.

All my purebred dogs were available at 8 weeks. Well....if I remember correctly, (doubtful) 13 years ago I couldn't get Bonnie till she was 10 weeks. I think Lyric was 9 weeks. Almost every last remnent of his scabs on his ears had to be healed and gone before she'd let him go. Yeah...I would have a problem getting a dog at 12 weeks or later. I'm always in such a rush to get with the program with my pups.

fireworksinjuly · 10-04-2004, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrie

Fireworks, your breeder may be the nicest person in the world. But she's unknowing and jumping in and breeding with too little knowledge. You got lucky I guess. I'm sure some dogs are better than others but IMO, this is still the wrong way to go about dog breeding and selling. Puppy mill or not, the breeders who put their dogs in a pet store are not proper breeders.

oh I agree...I never said I didnt...I do strongly believe its very irresponsible of her. I was just trying to prove Flyndogs point that not all puppys come from mills. Some are breeders that exicuted it very wrong.

I did get lucky and I know that.

***Carrie*** · 10-04-2004, 08:16 AM

Yes, Kino is lovely. I went to a byb for my Chi's. And I even knew better. I was being very impulsive. I got lucky with Chulita...at least so far, although I don't think she has the best conformation. Jose has had patella luxation surgery in one leg and will probably need it in the other. He was suppose to be a purebred and she insists that he is, but if you saw his picture you would have your doubts too. I call him a mix. He's way big for a Chi, has floppy ears. But both of them have wonderful temperaments. So, I suppose all things considered, I got lucky too.

The breeder I think tried to consider pedigrees and do sort of the right thing that way. But she didn't show her dogs I don't think so who knows what she had. She had too many dogs. She bred a few mini Poodles, some yorkies and Chi's ...way too many dogs. They were well cared for, she seemed loving toward them and she was very cautioning about the diet and hypoglycemia. So, there are varying degrees I guess of byb. But she wasn't really improving the breeds I don't think. It looked like she was just trying to make money with all those dogs. I never asked about anything concerning health testing. I didn't know much about all that. So it was quite an impulsive buying on my part with the Chi's.

When I got my Lab and GSD before the Chi's...way back, I asked about hip dysplasia and eye diseases and so on. And when I got my Dobe, I had really really researched and that's when I found out all the questions to ask and how to find a reputable breeder.

So.....we live and learn. I think it is good to hold the breeders responsible and support the ones who improve the breed.

gaddylovesdogs · 10-04-2004, 11:55 AM

Oh yes, I know not all puppies/kittens in pet shops come from puppy mills. A ton come from BYB, who often work for the pet store.

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Yeah, I agree. I feel sorry for the poor pups, but not sorry enough to buy one and support the puppy mill industry!

LOL, me too. Probably the only pet store CLOSE to me that I know of is one called "Happiness is PETS". They've got "The finest puppies" printed on their windows.....psh

. I'd be happy to love puppies and give them some medical care...........but no buying

.

dollface · 10-04-2004, 12:18 PM

Most puppies in the petsore are a result from puppy mills or bad back yard breeders

Petland here says that all their puppies/kittens are from reputible breeders, my butt cause reputible breeder would never put there puppies/kittens in the window

gaddylovesdogs · 10-04-2004, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dollface

Petland here says that all their puppies/kittens are from reputible breeders, my butt cause reputible breeder would never put there puppies/kittens in the window

Yes, many BYBS (a.k.a. bad breeders), puppy mills and pet shops say their pups and kittens are "high-quality" and that they're from a "reputable" breeder. Check out wizardofclaws.com--"we breed and work with other reputable breeders." (They need

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PitBullie09 · 10-04-2004, 03:51 PM

Awe my goodness. That is so sad. One day I went into a pet shop and they had 8 pomeranisns in a small little cage. 3 weim's in a small cage. A pit bull Terrier in a LITTLE cage and all that. I wanted to get that little pittie bc I felt so sorry for him. He was 200$. The pom's were 650$ each. I thought it was wrong. The also had a dapple dachsund marked "rare" for like 800.

Ritz459 · 10-04-2004, 05:59 PM

Yeh, As soon as I saw that American Bulldog and the Weimaraner stuck in that really small cage I was about ready to go and yell at the PetStore owners. I felt soooooooooooooooooo sorry for them

. I've seen the WOC website and it is HORRIBLE!!!! I feel soooooooooo sorry for those dogs they are breeding. Anybody like that just makes me SICK

! THey really P*** me off. One time I saw two Akitas in a small cage in the PetStore and these two Collage age boys were looking at them and were thinking about buying them. Now, nothing agianst these boys, but they looked like the kind of people who would take the Akita, not socialize it, and have it turn out to be REALLY aggressive and dangerous. And that isn't good considering they already are a 'aggresive breed.' I wish selling dogs in PetStores was illegal.

gaddylovesdogs · 10-05-2004, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by southern_girl09

A pit bull Terrier in a LITTLE cage and all that.

Gosh!

I was at a vets office today and saw two pits.....one was a pup, and so sweet! She was just adorable.....started kissing me

. But her owners said they bred her at eleven months

! And now, about 4 months later they bred her AGAIN and they say she has abandoned her previous pups etc..

milo · 10-05-2004, 10:41 AM

In england they are not to seel puppies or kitterns in the pets shops only..
Rats,
Mice,
Birds ect.....
So really im quite lucky anyway what is "millers" or was it "puppy millers"?

gaddylovesdogs · 10-05-2004, 12:54 PM

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So really im quite lucky anyway what is "millers" or was it "puppy millers"?

Puppy- and Kitten Mills are places were cats and/or dogs are bred in horrible conditions. Many times, the animals will live in groups, covered in urine and feces. Many of the dogs go "cage crazy," meaning they run in circles. The animals are not treated with respect, they are unhealthy and unhappy, rarely do they receive food or water. They get no veterinarian care, and many live outside, with little or no shelter.
And quite a few times dogs or cats are bred at extremely young ages......when they're puppies/kittens themselves!

PitBullie09 · 10-05-2004, 01:15 PM

Awe I hate what people do to pups. I really dont think they should sell ANY puppies. BUT EXPESSIALLY not Pittie's,and Bullie's or any boxer or bulldog. Because they sell them to anyone. It is just a easy way for fighters to get them.UGH.

10-03-2004, 06:22 PM	#16 (permalink)
fireworksinjuly Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 2,585 Rep Power: 144	i know for a fact my dog was from a breeder...she may not be the most responsible person in the world to be selling at a pet store but she is NOT a Mill. I have met her, seen her breeding area and she is very nice. I agree with flyndog, NOT ALL are puppy mill, while some are...NOT ALL ARE.
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10-03-2004, 09:26 PM	#17 (permalink)
*Carrie* Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: north panhandle of Idaho Posts: 7,545 Rep Power: 291	(is there such a thing as a 'better' store that supports puppy mills?) Rip, you probably know my answer anyway....to that. NO. I think someone should write something in the newspaper for all to read explaining about responsible breeders, how they health check, how they promote their dogs and earn titles to show that the dogs can measure up to what they were bred for, about their breeding carefully for temperament, how their pups are being cared for as their own children until ready for their new homes going straight to a family and NOT to a place like a pet store where they're not being raised correctly at their most impressionable stage. I am still of the opinion from experience with buying purebred dogs and talking to lots of reputable breeders that they would never, ever put their dogs in a pet shop to sell. They wouldn't have to. Those breeder's dogs are sold before they're born and sometimes before they're conceived. The ones I've known and talked to would no sooner put their dogs in a place like that than their own children. So there are different levels I guess of breeders. I'm sure some are better than others and some are caring for their dogs pretty well, but they are most likely back yard breeders. Fireworks, your breeder may be the nicest person in the world. But she's unknowing and jumping in and breeding with too little knowledge. You got lucky I guess. I'm sure some dogs are better than others but IMO, this is still the wrong way to go about dog breeding and selling. Puppy mill or not, the breeders who put their dogs in a pet store are not proper breeders. Maybe if the word got out, people would stop patronizing pet stores if they only got educated about it. If people refuse to buy from these pet stores, it will put these sellers out of business, leaving breeding up to breeders who breed top notch dogs and don't need to sell them that way. If someone doesn't care about having a purebred dog, then they can choose one from a shelter. They can even go to purebred rescues if they want a purebred but don't care so much about quality or knowledge of their history. It is soooooo important for breeders to breed ONLY because they want to improve upon the last generation of their breed.
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10-03-2004, 10:13 PM	#18 (permalink)
flyndog Unleash The Possibilities Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Marfa, TX Posts: 3,969 Rep Power: 185	But, if there are no more pet shop dogs, and only responsible breeders (who don't let their pups go until 12 weeks) , there won't be nearly enough work for all the dog trainers and behaviorists! (Wouldn't that be nice?) Kit
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10-04-2004, 08:16 AM	#21 (permalink)
*Carrie* Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: north panhandle of Idaho Posts: 7,545 Rep Power: 291	Yes, Kino is lovely. I went to a byb for my Chi's. And I even knew better. I was being very impulsive. I got lucky with Chulita...at least so far, although I don't think she has the best conformation. Jose has had patella luxation surgery in one leg and will probably need it in the other. He was suppose to be a purebred and she insists that he is, but if you saw his picture you would have your doubts too. I call him a mix. He's way big for a Chi, has floppy ears. But both of them have wonderful temperaments. So, I suppose all things considered, I got lucky too. The breeder I think tried to consider pedigrees and do sort of the right thing that way. But she didn't show her dogs I don't think so who knows what she had. She had too many dogs. She bred a few mini Poodles, some yorkies and Chi's ...way too many dogs. They were well cared for, she seemed loving toward them and she was very cautioning about the diet and hypoglycemia. So, there are varying degrees I guess of byb. But she wasn't really improving the breeds I don't think. It looked like she was just trying to make money with all those dogs. I never asked about anything concerning health testing. I didn't know much about all that. So it was quite an impulsive buying on my part with the Chi's. When I got my Lab and GSD before the Chi's...way back, I asked about hip dysplasia and eye diseases and so on. And when I got my Dobe, I had really really researched and that's when I found out all the questions to ask and how to find a reputable breeder. So.....we live and learn. I think it is good to hold the breeders responsible and support the ones who improve the breed.
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10-04-2004, 12:18 PM	#23 (permalink)
dollface 4 Boston Terriers Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canada Saskatchewan Posts: 903 Rep Power: 103	Most puppies in the petsore are a result from puppy mills or bad back yard breeders Petland here says that all their puppies/kittens are from reputible breeders, my butt cause reputible breeder would never put there puppies/kittens in the window
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10-03-2004, 10:25 PM	#19 (permalink)
*Carrie* Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: north panhandle of Idaho Posts: 7,545 Rep Power: 291	OMG Kit! I'm laughing so hard. You have such a great sense of humor sometimes. You're right! And don't forget the veterinarians. They might go broke. All my purebred dogs were available at 8 weeks. Well....if I remember correctly, (doubtful) 13 years ago I couldn't get Bonnie till she was 10 weeks. I think Lyric was 9 weeks. Almost every last remnent of his scabs on his ears had to be healed and gone before she'd let him go. Yeah...I would have a problem getting a dog at 12 weeks or later. I'm always in such a rush to get with the program with my pups.

10-04-2004, 03:51 PM	#25 (permalink)
PitBullie09 ACD/Pit Bull Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,477 Rep Power: 132	Awe my goodness. That is so sad. One day I went into a pet shop and they had 8 pomeranisns in a small little cage. 3 weim's in a small cage. A pit bull Terrier in a LITTLE cage and all that. I wanted to get that little pittie bc I felt so sorry for him. He was 200$. The pom's were 650$ each. I thought it was wrong. The also had a dapple dachsund marked "rare" for like 800.
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10-04-2004, 05:59 PM	#26 (permalink)
Ritz459 "Nothing is ever easy" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 5,898 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 240	Yeh, As soon as I saw that American Bulldog and the Weimaraner stuck in that really small cage I was about ready to go and yell at the PetStore owners. I felt soooooooooooooooooo sorry for them . I've seen the WOC website and it is HORRIBLE!!!! I feel soooooooooo sorry for those dogs they are breeding. Anybody like that just makes me SICK ! THey really P*** me off. One time I saw two Akitas in a small cage in the PetStore and these two Collage age boys were looking at them and were thinking about buying them. Now, nothing agianst these boys, but they looked like the kind of people who would take the Akita, not socialize it, and have it turn out to be REALLY aggressive and dangerous. And that isn't good considering they already are a 'aggresive breed.' I wish selling dogs in PetStores was illegal.

10-05-2004, 10:41 AM	#28 (permalink)
milo Labrador lover!!!! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: England, Portsmouth Posts: 858 Rep Power: 98	In england... In england they are not to seel puppies or kitterns in the pets shops only.. Rats, Mice, Birds ect..... So really im quite lucky anyway what is "millers" or was it "puppy millers"?
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10-05-2004, 01:15 PM	#30 (permalink)
PitBullie09 ACD/Pit Bull Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,477 Rep Power: 132	Awe I hate what people do to pups. I really dont think they should sell ANY puppies. BUT EXPESSIALLY not Pittie's,and Bullie's or any boxer or bulldog. Because they sell them to anyone. It is just a easy way for fighters to get them.UGH.
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