Goldendoodles, Labradoodles

[Kaiyah]

I know pretty much everyone is against selling mixed breeds as rare breeds and people trying to create "new breeds" so I figured I had to share this. I was looking at the animal ads in the local newspaper a few days ago. i found ads for Goldendoodles, Labradoodles, and even one that i am assuming was a mix of a Shipperke, pekapoo and something else. I forget what exactly they called it. All claimed to have "champion bloodlines, nonallergenic, nonshedding, and to be AKC and CKC registered." Oh and the prices were from $1200.00 up to $2500.00. Hard to believe.

[sheltiepups]

umm you can't show a mixed breed.. so unless the parents have champion way way back that does make sense.... some people

[fireworksinjuly]

I have no idea what that says due to the color.

[Coldnose]

This is what it says.

Originally Posted by Kaiyah

I know pretty much everyone is against selling mixed breeds as rare breeds and people trying to create "new breeds" so I figured I had to share this. I was looking at the animal ads in the local newspaper a few days ago. i found ads for Goldendoodles, Labradoodles, and even one that i am assuming was a mix of a Shipperke, pekapoo and something else. I forget what exactly they called it. All claimed to have "champion bloodlines, nonallergenic, nonshedding, and to be AKC and CKC registered." Oh and the prices were from $1200.00 up to $2500.00. Hard to believe.

[dogx3]

I've seen the same mixes for sale in pet stores, over priced. I read the classified ads in my local paper sometimes and there are so many ads for puppies of all breeds.

[Ritz459]

Yeh, my mom was in the mall today and she took my lil sis (Melanie, she's 4) to see the dogs at the petstore . Anyways, she said that they had Puggles (a mix between a Beagle and a Pug.) As soon as she told me that my older brother Jacob (he's 15) was like, "Oh, you shouldn't have told her that." and MAN was I about ready to blow. I was about ready to start ranting and raving about the 'designer breeds', but I decided againts it just for Jacob's sake. So I said that the breeders just being stupid idiotic people in it for the money and then I siad that I would just blow my steam by listening to loud screaming music (LiKin Park to be exact) with my CD player and headphones (we were in our van coming home from school at the time.) Oh, all of these 'breeds' make me sooo mad!!! If they had a purpose other than making money, I might be a little bit more tolorant.....

P.S. my mom was teasing me a bit and siad, "Oh, let's just cross it with a Poodle too!! Then Wesley, JeanAnne, and Melanie can all have their fave. breeds in one dog! I also told her we could call Blackie a Rottador (I was teasing) and she said, "Hm, that sounds really historic." Then she asked me what Rose would be and I was like, "a German Rottador Cattle Dog." What a name!

[DarknessDivine]

Not to start anything here so please don't attack me, but all of our dogs, purbred or not where at one time a "new breed"..I am not for mixing breeds to get a 1/2 lb pug or to get a short legged Great Daine or anything but my thing is that if the breed mxing is being done by qualified and I mean really qualified breeders then who's business it is? I agree petshops and puppy mills are completely off the wall but we cannot condem someone for doing the exact thing that got us the pure breds we have today.
Quote from AKC:
A breed is a "relatively homogeneous group of animals within a species, developed and maintained by man." All dogs, impure as well as pure-bred, and several wild cousins such as wolves and foxes, are one family. Each breed was created by man, using selective breeding to get desired qualities. The result is an almost unbelievable diversity of purebred dogs which will, when bred to others of their breed, produce their own kind. Through the ages, man designed dogs that could hunt, guard, or herd according to his needs. Admission of a new breed to AKC's Stud Book is determined by the Board of Directors. Today, new breeds admitted for registry must have been well established in other countries for a significant period of time by registry organizations in those countries.

[Carrie]

I agree. But it should be left to the breeders who are sincerely interested in creating a new breed for a very good purpose. As with most all the breeds there are unscrupulous people out there. It takes scientific know how and real care to fix a type, as it is called when it gets to the point where the pups all come out looking the same.

You're right. All of our dogs were put together by using various breeds at one time.

Take the Doberman for instance....not a very old breed. There are some differing views on what all went into the Dobe...records were apparently lost, different combinations are thought to have gone into them, but some things mentioned were the Rottweiler, Greyhound, Manchester Terrier, Great Dane, and old bob tiled German Shepherd, not the kind now, German Pinscher, Weimeraner, German Shorthaired pointer, the Beauceron. The Rott and the Beauceron both have those black and tan markings. And the way they started out was one thing and then things were changed or added along the way. But by golly, eventually all the pups came out the same every time and that's called fixing a type.

But this day and age where we have such a horrendous overpopulation of dogs and mixed breeds in shelters etc, etc, etc...this creation of new breeds should be seriously considered and needed before this is taken on. And only real breeders should mess with it. There are hundreds and hundreds of purebred dogs. There ought to be one out there for every person's whim.

[DarknessDivine]

And only real breeders should mess with it.

So true there are so many ppl out there doing it just for the money..

[GreenleafGreyhound]

Hey, I'm all for creating a new breed if you know what you're doing and you're doing it for a purpose (i.e. Silken Windhound)! Nowadays, the purpose of a Poomix is for the temperament of one breed and the coat of a Poodle. It sickens me to think that people are so superficial to expect that a Poodle will only lend its coat. Also, you'll notice that these Poo mixes never come in a consistent standard. For example, there was a website which took three "Labradoodles" and compared them. One back was slanted like a GSDs. One back was straight and parallel to the floor. One back was halfway there. One tail was high like a terrier's. One was low and pointed towards the floor. One was halfway, again. Their coats differed from one being curly and tight, one being loose and curly, one being wavy and loose. My point being that breeders of the "Labradoodle" are not trying to make a standard and the average "Labradoodle", today, has no other purpose than to be a "lovable dog with the temperament of a Lab and the coat of a Poodle". My motto is if it's too good to be true, then it probably is.

I agree that ALL breeds started somewhere. As time wore on, people began introducing new breeds and bloodlines to enhance a dog's performance and if the initial breeding was successful, they kept doing it. Take the Greyhound, for example. Lord Orford took a Bulldog (not the ones like today) and a Greyhound to produce a Greyhound with "courage" and a uniformly sleek, tight coat which had eluded breeders for centuries. The breeding worked and it produced top-notch Greys with the ability to fulfill their original duty.

[Barrett]

I was reading a magazine the other day and it had a huge article on the doodles. It was talking about being hypoallergenic and non shedding. I bet it helps create the hype on these mixed breeds and adds more demand for them. Sad.

[milo]

Hi yer,
I was just reading the threads you lot have done and i just wanted to say, What is a doodle? Sorry if that sounded silly but i just dont know what a doodle is!!

[Carrie]

"Also, you'll notice that these Poo mixes never come in a consistent standard."

Not yet, but.....

I saw a program on a breeder of Labradoodles and she looked like she was going about it in a serious, caring way. This getting to the point of having them come out the same consistently, or the "fixing of a type" (genotype/phenotype relationship) takes time. So, when it's a new breed, even at best, it will take many, many generations and "playing around with" to get to that stage. That's why it should be left to breeders who know what they're doing, aren't doing it just for the money, but are interested in creating a breed that like the Labradoodle, combines the bulkiness and strength of the Lab for busting through brush and the non shedding, non allergenic coat of a Poodle, the intelligence is there in both breeds and the temperaments are generally sweet in both, but perhaps more laid back with the Lab. They're both hunting/retriever/water dogs. So, I can almost see the benefit of that mix if they can ever get it right.

I mean a person can get a Poodle for hunting, retrieving from water and have that coat. But maybe they figure it's missing something the Lab has, the ability to bust through brush with that strength (gotten from the Newfie) and the calmer temperament. I don't know....

[Ritz459]

A 'doodle' is a poodle mix. Ex: Labradoodle=Lab/poodle mix.
I agree with you DarknessDivine. All purebred dogs came about by crossing diff. breeds. But there are two things diff. than what is going on today.
1. It was done by people who knew what they were doing.
2. It was done for a purpose other than money.
I wouldn't mind a poo mix if it was done for a purpose and/or it was done by breeder who knew what he/she was doing. It is just that the majority of the poo 'breeders' don't know squat and are in it for the money. A Labradoodle might have a purpose, but what in the heck is a Puggles purpose? None that I'm aware of.

[Kaiyah]

I agree darknessdivine and greenleaf. But, I also beleive that these ads i saw were NOT breeders but people only trying to make a quick buck.