what would you do?

Shelties · 10-24-2006, 08:23 AM

If you were in a sitsuation where your dog tries to "challenge" another dog, and you couldn't get to your dog in time, someone who owns that other dog comes over and bats your dog in the muzzle scolding him "no"!, it is ok for someone to discipline YOUR dog if you couldn't get to him/her in time?.

That's what exactly happend to me, Casey tried to challenge one of my parent's dogs for the alpha role ( im living here for the time being until spring). I didn't catch Casey in time to pull him away, but he was trying to challenge my parent's dog, and my step mom just bats casey on the nose. I was fuming inside, but i KNEW if i said something it would turn into a ugly debate of what she did was the right thing to do otherwise there would have been a dog fight.

What would you do?

britishbandit · 10-24-2006, 09:04 AM

Well it depends on what you mean by "challenge". If it was an outright attack, where the other dog was in danger, if it was my dog being attacked, I'd do whatever it took to get that other dog off. BUT....if it was simply a stand of....and my dog had done nothing to the other dog (even if it was "yet"), I'd be furious about someone hitting my dog with a bat (hitting my dog period would tick me off). It would take everything in me not to rip it out of their hands and smack em right back.
How did you step mom get the bat? Did she already have it in her hands? If not, I'd think it wasn't that urgent if she had time to go and get it. Nobody got hurt right?
An unfortunate circumstance.

KennelMom · 10-24-2006, 09:10 AM

I agree with britishbandit. Breaking up a fight is one thing. Hitting my dog to correct it in a situation like you decribed...uh...I don't THINK so!

p.s. I don't think she hit the dog with a bat, I think she batted the dog on the nose with her hand.

britishbandit · 10-24-2006, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by KennelMom

I agree with britishbandit. Breaking up a fight is one thing. Hitting my dog to correct it in a situation like you decribed...uh...I don't THINK so!

p.s. I don't think she hit the dog with a bat, I think she batted the dog on the nose with her hand.

Thanks kennelmom, read that wrong...my bad...LOL. Thought it said hit the dog with a bat on the nose. No matter, someone hitting my dog is still a big no no unless there really was cause to do so.

Kris · 10-24-2006, 10:01 AM

Did your stepmom try to verbally correct first and was she ignored? I've always thought & lived by the rule that any dog within a household should easily accept any person in the household correcting their bad behavior.

Kris

elegy · 10-24-2006, 10:10 AM

i agree it would depend on what "challenge" means. you better believe i'd get in the middle of it and "correct" somebody's dog if they got in my dog's face, because not getting rid of that "challenging" dog could mean that there's a huge freaking dog fight, and that's the absolute LAST thing i want.

usually a body block and a low-toned verbal "GIIIIIIT" will do it though.

the most important thing to me is protecting my dogs. i don't care if somebody else's feelings get hurt because i stepped in when they weren't controlling their dog. they'll be a lot more upset if their dog gets eaten.

i think you need to work on recalls with your dog.

Shelties · 10-24-2006, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by elegy

i think you need to work on recalls with your dog.

Casey is very good on recalls, I just was no where near by casey to even correct him or grab him when he did the "stand off" Casey only acts like this if the other dog goes into my bedroom where his ( Casey) food is, although his food was not out since he is only fed on schedual but he knows it's in there. This dog is a 50 pound dog and can hurt casey if he wanted to i'd be more worried about casey's safety than the other dog.

Ritz459 · 10-24-2006, 10:25 AM

If it had been me, I would have said, "Thank you for correcting my dog, but he didn't need to be hit." I would have been mad that someone hit my dog on the nose, but in the case of Blackie, if he was challenging another dog and a fight was coming on, I'd forgive. If it was just a challenge with no real threat to it, then I'd be mad.
A neighborhood Chow came up to our dogs while we were walking them and the Chow challenged Sadie. (He was staring and growling. I don't know if that qualifies as a challenge or an attack). I smacked that dog with the end of Blackie's leather leash to get him away. His owners were no where in site, Blackie was barking and growling and it was taking all of my strength to hold him back, Sadie was terrified and Rose was hiding in the bushes with my sister. After the smack the Chow backed off and nothing happened.
We had Sadie up at my Grandma's house the other day and my Grandma has a Schnauzer named Molly. Molly hates Sadie and Sadie is too big of an idiot to back off when Molly growls at her. Sadie was starting to crowd Molly so a scolding verbal, "Sadie, back off." was enough to stop a fight that could have happened. Sadie learned very quickly to not go near Molly just because every time she did, I'd jump on her case and tell her to back off. She will ignore a dog that is snarling and barking and biting, but she wises up when I tell her no. Dumb dog.

If it takes something physical to back a dog off from something that could turn deadly, so be it. But if there isn't a lot of chance that it will turn nasty, I'd prefer something else. It all depends on the dogs and the situation.

Shelties · 10-24-2006, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Kris

Did your stepmom try to verbally correct first and was she ignored? I've always thought & lived by the rule that any dog within a household should easily accept any person in the household correcting their bad behavior.

Kris

She just verbally said no and proceed to tap his muzzle. Right now there's 3 male dogs in the house Sammy is the top dog, so Casey's trying to take the alpha role in the pack by challenging Sammy as in just doing the standoffish. There's been alittle bit of scruffles before and i had to step in. I think he's used to be the only dog now Casey has to share everything with 2 other dogs. 80 percent of the time they get along fine and play, but when it is time to settle down he tries to go after Sammy.

fireworksinjuly · 10-24-2006, 03:47 PM

Twice, I’ve had people (who have absolutely NO business doing it) try to correct my dogs.
Both were family members. Both time I got seriously ticked off, and did not stay calm. Neither time any correction was even necessary. It was purely the two peoples misconceptions and idiocy. One apologized, and he knows never to do it again.
The other has been told she is never to be near another living thing in my care again...this includes my child once its born. She could have seriously hurt my dog.

Shadowkins · 10-24-2006, 07:13 PM

I wouldn't appreciate anyone correcting my dog,however, maybe you two should sit down and lay the cards on the table ...that way you can both work out what is acceptable for you as a correction should the situation arise again.
I imagine there are times when you may be absent and your step mom must intervene or vice versa. It's difficult because you are sharing their home so maybe by simply talking things through it would alleviate further problems...if your comfortable doing that. Just an idea.

linnie · 10-25-2006, 03:27 AM

I dont see any reason to hit a dog on the muzzle except if it was the only thing you could get to and it was trying to kill another dog.

Then again as I have only owned toy breeds I dont really understand the differences that must occur with large breeds and discipline.

personally if anyone hit any of my pets I would be infuriated and the person would be well aware never to do it again

fancychicken · 10-25-2006, 05:50 AM

I'm on both sides of the fence on this one. I sometimes take shamous up to my neighbors farm to play with her dogs. For some reason he LOVES to chase her chickens (he knows not to chase ours) its gotten to the point where he has the chickens cornered and lunges at them trying to do what I have no idea. He will not come , sit, wait, stop, anything. He gets blind with excitement and my neighbor has slapped him to get his attention. Now, my first instinct was "hey DON"T YOU EVER HIT MYYYYYYYYY DOOOOGGGG!!!! , but I stayed quiet, because well, he was VERY wrong and it seemed to be the only thing to break his excitement and get him to stop.

While I don't condone hitting an animal for 99.99% of things sometimes when you have a dog that has concrete for brains sometimes thats all you can do.when the situation is someone or something is going to get hurt or possibly killed...not hard to hurt, just enough to break the concentrationand remove from the situation.

mulroony · 10-25-2006, 10:00 AM

It would depend on the situation as I once had to choke a dog to subdue him from attacking my dog because the owner had no control and was in no hurry to assist me, but that was after an actual fight I had to break up. If I was not around and it is a matter of one person protecting their dog from ming (not that they would need to, but yo never know...) I would expect the same from them as I do from my self if I was protecting my dogs. If it took a hit to the nose to get the other dog to back down then I would do it to protect my dog.

I have to agree though I would not want people over stepping their bounds and correcting my dogs when they have no right to. If a child is being annoying and the parent is around I will aks them nicely to stop and if they don't I will not spank them (although I wish I could when I worked in a gym...) I will ask the parent to correct/stop the behavior. I ask the same from people with my dogs, but at the same time it seems like everyone thinks they are a dog expert (myself included although I do know a bit more then the next guy)

c0_re · 10-25-2006, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Shelties

If you were in a sitsuation where your dog tries to "challenge" another dog, and you couldn't get to your dog in time, someone who owns that other dog comes over and bats your dog in the muzzle scolding him "no"!, it is ok for someone to discipline YOUR dog if you couldn't get to him/her in time?.

That's what exactly happend to me, Casey tried to challenge one of my parent's dogs for the alpha role ( im living here for the time being until spring). I didn't catch Casey in time to pull him away, but he was trying to challenge my parent's dog, and my step mom just bats casey on the nose. I was fuming inside, but i KNEW if i said something it would turn into a ugly debate of what she did was the right thing to do otherwise there would have been a dog fight.

What would you do?

It depends on your definition of "challenge" to me any behavior like possessiveness (the example you give with food in the bedroom) or aggression towards people or any other pets\animals is unacceptable. In our house we own everything including the dog food and toys they are only on loan to our pets.

You and your parents should be the pack leaders with all the rest of the dogs as followers, this way you have minimum competition for domination\pack leadership between the family pets. Yes I know this is idealistic and not always 100% possible when not all participating parties are consistent.

Regaurdless hitting the dog shouldn't ever really be an option except unussaully extreme circumstances. You can ussaully just give them a nudge with your knee\hip along with kind of vocal command to get them back inline and let them know this is unwanted behavior.

IMO as always

10-24-2006, 08:23 AM	#1 (permalink)
Shelties Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 336 Rep Power: 63	what would you do? If you were in a sitsuation where your dog tries to "challenge" another dog, and you couldn't get to your dog in time, someone who owns that other dog comes over and bats your dog in the muzzle scolding him "no"!, it is ok for someone to discipline YOUR dog if you couldn't get to him/her in time?. That's what exactly happend to me, Casey tried to challenge one of my parent's dogs for the alpha role ( im living here for the time being until spring). I didn't catch Casey in time to pull him away, but he was trying to challenge my parent's dog, and my step mom just bats casey on the nose. I was fuming inside, but i KNEW if i said something it would turn into a ugly debate of what she did was the right thing to do otherwise there would have been a dog fight. What would you do?

10-24-2006, 09:04 AM	#2 (permalink)
britishbandit Rottweiler Mum Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Windsor, ON Posts: 4,122 Rep Power: 176	Well it depends on what you mean by "challenge". If it was an outright attack, where the other dog was in danger, if it was my dog being attacked, I'd do whatever it took to get that other dog off. BUT....if it was simply a stand of....and my dog had done nothing to the other dog (even if it was "yet"), I'd be furious about someone hitting my dog with a bat (hitting my dog period would tick me off). It would take everything in me not to rip it out of their hands and smack em right back. How did you step mom get the bat? Did she already have it in her hands? If not, I'd think it wasn't that urgent if she had time to go and get it. Nobody got hurt right? An unfortunate circumstance.
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10-24-2006, 09:10 AM	#3 (permalink)
KennelMom Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Piedmont, SC Posts: 658 Rep Power: 88	I agree with britishbandit. Breaking up a fight is one thing. Hitting my dog to correct it in a situation like you decribed...uh...I don't THINK so! p.s. I don't think she hit the dog with a bat, I think she batted the dog on the nose with her hand.
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10-24-2006, 10:01 AM	#5 (permalink)
Kris Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 283 Rep Power: 64	Did your stepmom try to verbally correct first and was she ignored? I've always thought & lived by the rule that any dog within a household should easily accept any person in the household correcting their bad behavior. Kris
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10-24-2006, 10:10 AM	#6 (permalink)
elegy Pit Bull Junky Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,073 Rep Power: 110	i agree it would depend on what "challenge" means. you better believe i'd get in the middle of it and "correct" somebody's dog if they got in my dog's face, because not getting rid of that "challenging" dog could mean that there's a huge freaking dog fight, and that's the absolute LAST thing i want. usually a body block and a low-toned verbal "GIIIIIIT" will do it though. the most important thing to me is protecting my dogs. i don't care if somebody else's feelings get hurt because i stepped in when they weren't controlling their dog. they'll be a lot more upset if their dog gets eaten. i think you need to work on recalls with your dog.
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10-24-2006, 10:25 AM	#8 (permalink)
Ritz459 "Nothing is ever easy" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 5,735 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 235	If it had been me, I would have said, "Thank you for correcting my dog, but he didn't need to be hit." I would have been mad that someone hit my dog on the nose, but in the case of Blackie, if he was challenging another dog and a fight was coming on, I'd forgive. If it was just a challenge with no real threat to it, then I'd be mad. A neighborhood Chow came up to our dogs while we were walking them and the Chow challenged Sadie. (He was staring and growling. I don't know if that qualifies as a challenge or an attack). I smacked that dog with the end of Blackie's leather leash to get him away. His owners were no where in site, Blackie was barking and growling and it was taking all of my strength to hold him back, Sadie was terrified and Rose was hiding in the bushes with my sister. After the smack the Chow backed off and nothing happened. We had Sadie up at my Grandma's house the other day and my Grandma has a Schnauzer named Molly. Molly hates Sadie and Sadie is too big of an idiot to back off when Molly growls at her. Sadie was starting to crowd Molly so a scolding verbal, "Sadie, back off." was enough to stop a fight that could have happened. Sadie learned very quickly to not go near Molly just because every time she did, I'd jump on her case and tell her to back off. She will ignore a dog that is snarling and barking and biting, but she wises up when I tell her no. Dumb dog. If it takes something physical to back a dog off from something that could turn deadly, so be it. But if there isn't a lot of chance that it will turn nasty, I'd prefer something else. It all depends on the dogs and the situation.
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10-24-2006, 03:47 PM	#10 (permalink)
fireworksinjuly Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 2,585 Rep Power: 143	Twice, I’ve had people (who have absolutely NO business doing it) try to correct my dogs. Both were family members. Both time I got seriously ticked off, and did not stay calm. Neither time any correction was even necessary. It was purely the two peoples misconceptions and idiocy. One apologized, and he knows never to do it again. The other has been told she is never to be near another living thing in my care again...this includes my child once its born. She could have seriously hurt my dog.
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10-24-2006, 07:13 PM	#11 (permalink)
Shadowkins Shadowkins Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Saskatchewan,Canada Posts: 2,726 Rep Power: 129	I wouldn't appreciate anyone correcting my dog,however, maybe you two should sit down and lay the cards on the table ...that way you can both work out what is acceptable for you as a correction should the situation arise again. I imagine there are times when you may be absent and your step mom must intervene or vice versa. It's difficult because you are sharing their home so maybe by simply talking things through it would alleviate further problems...if your comfortable doing that. Just an idea.
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10-25-2006, 03:27 AM	#12 (permalink)
linnie tibbie girl Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 3,051 Rep Power: 172	I dont see any reason to hit a dog on the muzzle except if it was the only thing you could get to and it was trying to kill another dog. Then again as I have only owned toy breeds I dont really understand the differences that must occur with large breeds and discipline. personally if anyone hit any of my pets I would be infuriated and the person would be well aware never to do it again
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10-25-2006, 05:50 AM	#13 (permalink)
fancychicken Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 823 Rep Power: 74	I'm on both sides of the fence on this one. I sometimes take shamous up to my neighbors farm to play with her dogs. For some reason he LOVES to chase her chickens (he knows not to chase ours) its gotten to the point where he has the chickens cornered and lunges at them trying to do what I have no idea. He will not come , sit, wait, stop, anything. He gets blind with excitement and my neighbor has slapped him to get his attention. Now, my first instinct was "hey DON"T YOU EVER HIT MYYYYYYYYY DOOOOGGGG!!!! , but I stayed quiet, because well, he was VERY wrong and it seemed to be the only thing to break his excitement and get him to stop. While I don't condone hitting an animal for 99.99% of things sometimes when you have a dog that has concrete for brains sometimes thats all you can do.when the situation is someone or something is going to get hurt or possibly killed...not hard to hurt, just enough to break the concentrationand remove from the situation.

10-25-2006, 10:00 AM	#14 (permalink)
mulroony Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 2,100 Rep Power: 119	It would depend on the situation as I once had to choke a dog to subdue him from attacking my dog because the owner had no control and was in no hurry to assist me, but that was after an actual fight I had to break up. If I was not around and it is a matter of one person protecting their dog from ming (not that they would need to, but yo never know...) I would expect the same from them as I do from my self if I was protecting my dogs. If it took a hit to the nose to get the other dog to back down then I would do it to protect my dog. I have to agree though I would not want people over stepping their bounds and correcting my dogs when they have no right to. If a child is being annoying and the parent is around I will aks them nicely to stop and if they don't I will not spank them (although I wish I could when I worked in a gym...) I will ask the parent to correct/stop the behavior. I ask the same from people with my dogs, but at the same time it seems like everyone thinks they are a dog expert (myself included although I do know a bit more then the next guy)
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