I can't take this anymore! - Page 3

Ritz459 · 11-21-2004, 05:11 PM

I saw this show on TV and it was telling about the importance about getting the right breed for your lifestyle, trianing it, and buying from a good breeder.
They showed this family that went to look at BC puppies and they breeder was saying, "If you want a dog that will sit and watch TV with your kids, get a different breed. You see how that puppy over there is chasing that 'whatever' (can't remember what he siad.)? That is what he will be doing to your kids, cars, etc."
The people ended up getting a book and was going through and looking at the different breeds, but they ended up going to their shelter and getting a pointer/lab mix. I think anybody getting a puppy should watch that show. It might make them change their mind about what kind of dog to get if any at all.
The petstore in out mall is ugh. One time I went in there and I saw these two Akita puppies (that didn't even look like Akitas) in a really small cage playing and these two guys (they looked to be about collage age and the 'gang' types) were looking at them and I think they bought them. Poor dogs....they are probably now used for dogfighting, or an aggresive guard dog.
I hate people who buy a dog just because the think it is cute or mean looking....ugh. Next to my paino teachers house these people have probably went through at least 4 dogs all ready in the 6 years I've been taking paion lessons. They had this really cute chocolate lab puppy that always pushed his ball through the fence wanting me to throw it for him. They don't have it any more though. I think once it got bigger they just got rid of it.

stupid people......

gaddylovesdogs · 11-22-2004, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Ritz459

I saw this show on TV and it was telling about the importance about getting the right breed for your lifestyle, trianing it, and buying from a good breeder.
They showed this family that went to look at BC puppies and they breeder was saying, "If you want a dog that will sit and watch TV with your kids, get a different breed. You see how that puppy over there is chasing that 'whatever' (can't remember what he siad.)? That is what he will be doing to your kids, cars, etc."
The people ended up getting a book and was going through and looking at the different breeds, but they ended up going to their shelter and getting a pointer/lab mix. I think anybody getting a puppy should watch that show. It might make them change their mind about what kind of dog to get if any at all.

Oh, I saw that too

! On PBS.... Yeah, the mother wanted a Border Collie because her uncle or somebody had had one when she was a kid, and he was "so sweet" so she wanted the same breed. I was happy when they decided not to get a BC...there was no way at ALL they'd have been able to handle one of these dogs' energy!

I saw it a couple of times, actually...at first I didn't know a bunch about BC, but the next time I was full of info and relieved even more they didn't get the dog!

Ritz459 · 11-22-2004, 09:33 AM

Yep! I think I would die if I saw a Border Coolie pup in the petstore. It is bad enough seeing Rotties, American Bulldogs, and Akitas in there but if I saw a BC, I think the petstore owner would have to run for cover.

Sayuri · 11-22-2004, 03:40 PM

Greenleaf,
I'm fairly certain that I'll be feeling your pain in the near, near future. Petstores are just now discovering the cache that is a litter of adorable Shiba puppies. The problem is that Shibas make striking, gorgeous puppies no matter what the pedigree is behind them (it is sadly a different story when they grow up...you can pretty much tell a Shiba of good breeding by just looking at it...even my oversized boy posesses the strength of features, masculinity, and soboku required of the breed). They also have that whole "oh - it's so exotic and different" factor playing against them.

The local he11hole - sorry - petstore has just begun carrying Shibas. I took a look at them, though I knew it would only infuriate me. Way too young to be separated from the dam, first of all, and poor-coated, snipy muzzled, lacking in cheek padding, light eyes, sorry tails...you name it.

Even more disgusting is Wizard of Claws, which offers toy and teacup white Shibas. Excuse me? These *aren't* Shibas then. White is an unacceptable color (as mandated by Nippo, JKC, AKC, FCI, UKC), and TOY AND TEACUP? Just think a little people, c'mon! What chance in he11 would a toy or teacup sized Shiba have against a wild boar? Does that make any sense at all? And how is the standard size not small enough? Males are 14.5-16, females 13.5-15.5. How is that too big? These dogs make fine apartment dogs, if given proper exercise and stimulation. But again...this is all about fads and cuteness, not about maintaining the strength, beauty, and integrity of the breed...or even what MAKES the Shiba a Shiba at all.

Greenleaf, I agree with the others. Go and get your show Peke or Tibbie. If people do see your striking dog and hope to get a similar one, chances are they're going to ask you about him/her. That's when you can explain that dogs such as this do not come from petstores. I've had this experience with my two - people always stop me to ask about Kimi and Tai...and the proselytization begins...

GreenleafGreyhound · 11-22-2004, 07:14 PM

Sayuri and others,

I've been having a dilemma about whether or not I should continue my Pekingese fancy or start fresh with Tibbies. After a night or so of troubled sleep, I fear that guilt would bite me in the arse if I betrayed my Peke and went for the Tibbie. Much as I love their facial expressions and their eyes, I would have a hole in my heart without a Peke. In the next decade or so, I'll be keeping in touch with the kennel in OR and I'll be joining handling classes. Soon, but not now, I hope to acquire a white show prospect.

I can't believe they've begun to stock Shibas in petstores. They, Dobies, and Akitas are probably the last breeds you want in an industry held up by impulse and money. I can't even begin to imagine the multitude of health problems that has plagued popular breeds, especially Labradors. Not to mention, poor genetic backgrounds and neuroticism. Pekes have a little weak side...Though they are hard to miniaturize (pear-shaped and bulky), there are occasionally "sleeve Pekes". These dogs are usually 3-6 pounds and they appear in an otherwise normal, Champion-bred litter. To my knowledge, I don't think any sleeve Peke has done well in the show ring, but I know bybs and pup millers will take advantage of them. Lucky for Pekes, they are an otherwise difficult breed to breed pure. Meaning, purebreds have unusally large heads (breed standard) and females usually require C-section. However, this also leaves an opening for bybs and pup millers to introduce new breeds for easier delivery and a "new breed". It just seems like my breed is doomed somehow.

Ritz459 · 11-23-2004, 09:54 AM

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It just seems like my breed is doomed somehow.

Well, maybe with a little luck, they won't be doomed. I'm feeling almost that way with the Pitties. With all of these BSL laws going around, it kinda makes you wonder if it will just squash out all of the good dogs and have the byb and dogfighters take over. I'm hoping sooner or later the breed targeting will stop or will never become effective where I live, but you never know......I'm glad you decided to stay with the Pekes. You might be heartbroken every time you see one in a PetStore window but you will have your Peke to cheer you up agian.

Dobiekiss · 11-23-2004, 02:07 PM

www.dogster.com/pix/dogs/34/21334/1.jpg
They called THIS a Doberman!! Maybe they made a mistake??

sheltiepups · 11-23-2004, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dobiekiss

www.dogster.com/pix/dogs/34/21334/1.jpg
They called THIS a Doberman!! Maybe they made a mistake??

thats either a mistake or a joke.. no way is anyone going to think thats a doberman.

Sayuri · 11-23-2004, 04:32 PM

Greenleaf and Ritz - I think our breeds will always have some hope when there are caring individuals such as yourselves that are willing to fight for those breeds.

I definitely agree Greenleaf - Shibas are *bad* news in pet stores - one of the most horrible impulse buys I can possibly imagine. Whenever someone admits that, having seen my dogs, they are thinking of acquiring a Shiba pup, I always tell them to be prepared to "bring a little piece of the Devil into their home." Yes, it's all said in fun, and I can say it because I love the breed so much...but anyone expecting typical dog behavior just shouldn't get a Shiba, and I'm fairly certain that people purchasing from pet stores are assuming that "a dog is a dog is a dog." Most of these people don't expect a dog that's more interested in their own agenda, a dog that behaves more like a cat, a dog that needs excessive socialization and will likely treat small animals as beasts of prey. Typical under-educated first time puppy buyers want a dog that can run off leash and exhibit impeccable recall, a dog that LOVES getting baths and playing in the ocean, a dog that will play fetch. They expect this, see an adorable Shiba, plunk out that credit card...and the Shiba pays the price.

Rip's Girl · 11-23-2004, 05:34 PM

Another breed I am seeing more and more in pet stores is the Chow Chow. Along with Shibas, Border Collies and Akitas being sold in pet stores, Chows are bad news as well. I also hate seeing poorly bred examples of this wonderful breed. I know a lot of people don't like chows, but to me they are some of the best dogs there are. (I imagine it's somewhat like some people's passion for Pit Bulls) I love this breed so much and I hate to see a family with a bunch of little kids and cats go and buy a chow at the pet store, a breed known for its lack of patience with strangers and pesky kids. Things like that are what make people say that Chows are bad dogs - Bad breeding, and an insuitable home.

Ritz459 · 11-23-2004, 05:43 PM

Ya, I've met a lot of wonderful Chow mixes. Never met a pure bred chow though.....but anyways, all of the mixes have been wonderful. My friend found a Chow/Rottie mix and dubed it Moe and it was the sweetest thing alive. It had been abused (you could tell that by the way every time you moved it would cower in terror) and it wanted pet so bad but it was scared to come up to you. I was over at her house the first time Moe decided to come up to us and all she wanted was her belly rubed sooooooooo bad! lol The eventually got rid of the dog because everybody was telling them that a Chow would turn on their kids......yesh......
I was talking to this girl that is a freind of my mom's daughter (I think her name is Avery? We are the same age and both like dogs and ferrets! lol) and we got on the topic of what our favorite breeds were and I siad I liked Boxers, Pitties, and Chows and she said she liked Chows and that when her Mom used to work with this vet this lady brought in her Chow to be PTS because it had attacked her child nine times. I was like, "Well, she shouldn't have had a Chow with a kid! NOT the dogs fault...."
Everybody thinks that Chows are the evilest thing alive when really they can be one of the most loyal breeds out there. (Stubborn, but loyal. lol)

Rip's Girl · 11-23-2004, 05:52 PM

I will always be loyal to the breed after having my sweet Shiner. She preferred to be left alone by strangers, but she was the most fiercely loyal dog I've ever had and I don't think I will ever have a better bond with a dog than I did with her. She was 100% chow in temperament, completely identical to how a good chow should be IMO.. A little impatient with strangers and rude kids (good and tolerant with gentle, calm kids) and fairly stubborn. I think the only reason she obeyed me was because she loved me so much and also knew that she couldn't get away with NOT obeying me. (Wouldn't give anyone else the time of day if they begged her.) Chows are wonderfully loyal dogs, but they are definitely not for an inexperienced owner. They do need a lot of socialization and they also need someone who understands the breed and won't put them into positions that make them horribly uncomfortable. (Like, being laid on by strange kids)

Judging from the dogs I've met, I think Chows are good with 'their' kids. Shiner would tolerate any amount of rough handling from me when I was 5 or 6. I could sit on her, play wrestle with her, anything. She was fine with it. But, she wouldn't allow a strange kid to do that to her. My friends had to learn not to mess with her (or me, if she was in the same room) when they came over.

GreenleafGreyhound · 11-24-2004, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Sayuri

Greenleaf and Ritz - I think our breeds will always have some hope when there are caring individuals such as yourselves that are willing to fight for those breeds.

I definitely agree Greenleaf - Shibas are *bad* news in pet stores - one of the most horrible impulse buys I can possibly imagine. Whenever someone admits that, having seen my dogs, they are thinking of acquiring a Shiba pup, I always tell them to be prepared to "bring a little piece of the Devil into their home." Yes, it's all said in fun, and I can say it because I love the breed so much...but anyone expecting typical dog behavior just shouldn't get a Shiba, and I'm fairly certain that people purchasing from pet stores are assuming that "a dog is a dog is a dog." Most of these people don't expect a dog that's more interested in their own agenda, a dog that behaves more like a cat, a dog that needs excessive socialization and will likely treat small animals as beasts of prey. Typical under-educated first time puppy buyers want a dog that can run off leash and exhibit impeccable recall, a dog that LOVES getting baths and playing in the ocean, a dog that will play fetch. They expect this, see an adorable Shiba, plunk out that credit card...and the Shiba pays the price.

Very true. Petstores thrive because they play on emotions. Mostly, it's because the typical family/couple needs a little fulfillment and want to live with the statistical 2.2 children with a nice house, and a moderately large yard, and a bouncing happy puppy to top it all off. Petstore take advantage of that and they're masters at bending and twisting your 'what-ifs' into impulse buys. Here's where the breeds suffer most. And I can't even think of the future Shiba, Akita, etc. situation. Probably, they'll manipulate a few hundred into Shibas who don't even deserve to be called Shiba Inus (as is the case with some Pekes). They've bred OUT the long, profuse coat, the stubby nose, the 'almost' overlapping wrinkle, Heck! They've bred out the whole body type! Pekes are like pears. Heavy and bulky in the front while they're light and straight in the back. I see petstore Pekes that look more like Dachs than Pekes. They've changed Pekes into....oh, I dunno, Shih Tzus? Everything that a Peke should be--Petstores have bred out. Stubbornness? Out. Pear shape? Out. Stubby Nose? Out. Overlapping Wrinkle? Out. Eyes? Out. Coat? Out. Dignity? Out. Why don't they just make it a new breed and call it the Petstore Pekingese?!

Or no wait, petstores and bybs don't even know how to spell Pekingese. How about Petstore Peekinese? *sigh* The temperament of a good Peke should almost be like that of a Chow Chow. Instead, petstores have manipulated Pekes into the exact opposite of what they should be. Individuality? Gone. Boldness? Gone. Self-esteem? Gone.

Ritz459 · 11-24-2004, 07:35 AM

So true..... I HATE pet stores.....my mom said somebody was in there once looking at a Cocker Spaniel puppy and the lady said, "I don't know if I want a dog that keeps peeing every where!" because the puppy was being subbmisive and 'leaking' every where. Man, if I was in there I would have said, "Then don't get a puppy from a PetStore! You know how hare those are to house break? And any puppy at that will have accident is the house!" Yesh......

LabLuver22 · 11-24-2004, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenleafGreyhound

Very true. Petstores thrive because they play on emotions. Mostly, it's because the typical family/couple needs a little fulfillment and want to live with the statistical 2.2 children with a nice house, and a moderately large yard, and a bouncing happy puppy to top it all off. Petstore take advantage of that and they're masters at bending and twisting your 'what-ifs' into impulse buys. Here's where the breeds suffer most. And I can't even think of the future Shiba, Akita, etc. situation. Probably, they'll manipulate a few hundred into Shibas who don't even deserve to be called Shiba Inus (as is the case with some Pekes). They've bred OUT the long, profuse coat, the stubby nose, the 'almost' overlapping wrinkle, Heck! They've bred out the whole body type! Pekes are like pears. Heavy and bulky in the front while they're light and straight in the back. I see petstore Pekes that look more like Dachs than Pekes. They've changed Pekes into....oh, I dunno, Shih Tzus? Everything that a Peke should be--Petstores have bred out. Stubbornness? Out. Pear shape? Out. Stubby Nose? Out. Overlapping Wrinkle? Out. Eyes? Out. Coat? Out. Dignity? Out. Why don't they just make it a new breed and call it the Petstore Pekingese?!

Or no wait, petstores and bybs don't even know how to spell Pekingese. How about Petstore Peekinese? *sigh* The temperament of a good Peke should almost be like that of a Chow Chow. Instead, petstores have manipulated Pekes into the exact opposite of what they should be. Individuality? Gone. Boldness? Gone. Self-esteem? Gone.

I agree 100% with the "play on emotions" thing. Ever wondered why pet store puppies are kept in such tiny cages? There have been many, many cases of people walking into a pet store, seeing a "sad-looking" puppy in a cage, and wanting to "rescue" it. Well, their intentions backfire, because they're feeding the industry if they buy that puppy. That empty cage will create demand for another mother to have another litter of puppies.

Pet stores thrive on impulse buys. That's why so many of them are located in malls, where people usually DON'T go to look for a puppy. They might be just walking by, window shopping, when all of a sudden they see the cutest puppy in the window. They go in and play with the puppy, "fall in love," and decide to buy it. The pet store has no problem with it, of course. They get the cash, they fork over the puppy.

Look at all of those stories of people who bought pet store puppies and, in turn, had to deal with sickness, genetic diseases, aggression, extreme shyness, or even genetic mutations. Did ANY of them do their research before buying? No. I know a few people who bought puppies from a pet store, my best friend included. None of them did their research. None of them even knew that they wanted a puppy at the time. For example, my best friend "fell in love" with a puppy at the mall petstore because her car broke down and she was killing time.

It's a horrible business. But, there are things that we (educated people) can do. I'm planning on typing up some fliers about problems with pet store puppies. Then I'll slip into the pet store and ever-so-subtly hand them out to the people who are pla

11-21-2004, 05:11 PM	#31 (permalink)
Ritz459 "Nothing is ever easy" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 5,735 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 235	I saw this show on TV and it was telling about the importance about getting the right breed for your lifestyle, trianing it, and buying from a good breeder. They showed this family that went to look at BC puppies and they breeder was saying, "If you want a dog that will sit and watch TV with your kids, get a different breed. You see how that puppy over there is chasing that 'whatever' (can't remember what he siad.)? That is what he will be doing to your kids, cars, etc." The people ended up getting a book and was going through and looking at the different breeds, but they ended up going to their shelter and getting a pointer/lab mix. I think anybody getting a puppy should watch that show. It might make them change their mind about what kind of dog to get if any at all. The petstore in out mall is ugh. One time I went in there and I saw these two Akita puppies (that didn't even look like Akitas) in a really small cage playing and these two guys (they looked to be about collage age and the 'gang' types) were looking at them and I think they bought them. Poor dogs....they are probably now used for dogfighting, or an aggresive guard dog. I hate people who buy a dog just because the think it is cute or mean looking....ugh. Next to my paino teachers house these people have probably went through at least 4 dogs all ready in the 6 years I've been taking paion lessons. They had this really cute chocolate lab puppy that always pushed his ball through the fence wanting me to throw it for him. They don't have it any more though. I think once it got bigger they just got rid of it. stupid people......
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11-22-2004, 09:33 AM	#33 (permalink)
Ritz459 "Nothing is ever easy" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 5,735 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 235	Yep! I think I would die if I saw a Border Coolie pup in the petstore. It is bad enough seeing Rotties, American Bulldogs, and Akitas in there but if I saw a BC, I think the petstore owner would have to run for cover.
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11-22-2004, 03:40 PM	#34 (permalink)
Sayuri Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: In the gorgeous NW Posts: 932 Rep Power: 132	Greenleaf, I'm fairly certain that I'll be feeling your pain in the near, near future. Petstores are just now discovering the cache that is a litter of adorable Shiba puppies. The problem is that Shibas make striking, gorgeous puppies no matter what the pedigree is behind them (it is sadly a different story when they grow up...you can pretty much tell a Shiba of good breeding by just looking at it...even my oversized boy posesses the strength of features, masculinity, and soboku required of the breed). They also have that whole "oh - it's so exotic and different" factor playing against them. The local he11hole - sorry - petstore has just begun carrying Shibas. I took a look at them, though I knew it would only infuriate me. Way too young to be separated from the dam, first of all, and poor-coated, snipy muzzled, lacking in cheek padding, light eyes, sorry tails...you name it. Even more disgusting is Wizard of Claws, which offers toy and teacup white Shibas. Excuse me? These aren't Shibas then. White is an unacceptable color (as mandated by Nippo, JKC, AKC, FCI, UKC), and TOY AND TEACUP? Just think a little people, c'mon! What chance in he11 would a toy or teacup sized Shiba have against a wild boar? Does that make any sense at all? And how is the standard size not small enough? Males are 14.5-16, females 13.5-15.5. How is that too big? These dogs make fine apartment dogs, if given proper exercise and stimulation. But again...this is all about fads and cuteness, not about maintaining the strength, beauty, and integrity of the breed...or even what MAKES the Shiba a Shiba at all. Greenleaf, I agree with the others. Go and get your show Peke or Tibbie. If people do see your striking dog and hope to get a similar one, chances are they're going to ask you about him/her. That's when you can explain that dogs such as this do not come from petstores. I've had this experience with my two - people always stop me to ask about Kimi and Tai...and the proselytization begins...
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11-22-2004, 07:14 PM	#35 (permalink)
GreenleafGreyhound Good Dog - Greyt Peke Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Northern CA Posts: 736 Rep Power: 104	Sayuri and others, I've been having a dilemma about whether or not I should continue my Pekingese fancy or start fresh with Tibbies. After a night or so of troubled sleep, I fear that guilt would bite me in the arse if I betrayed my Peke and went for the Tibbie. Much as I love their facial expressions and their eyes, I would have a hole in my heart without a Peke. In the next decade or so, I'll be keeping in touch with the kennel in OR and I'll be joining handling classes. Soon, but not now, I hope to acquire a white show prospect. I can't believe they've begun to stock Shibas in petstores. They, Dobies, and Akitas are probably the last breeds you want in an industry held up by impulse and money. I can't even begin to imagine the multitude of health problems that has plagued popular breeds, especially Labradors. Not to mention, poor genetic backgrounds and neuroticism. Pekes have a little weak side...Though they are hard to miniaturize (pear-shaped and bulky), there are occasionally "sleeve Pekes". These dogs are usually 3-6 pounds and they appear in an otherwise normal, Champion-bred litter. To my knowledge, I don't think any sleeve Peke has done well in the show ring, but I know bybs and pup millers will take advantage of them. Lucky for Pekes, they are an otherwise difficult breed to breed pure. Meaning, purebreds have unusally large heads (breed standard) and females usually require C-section. However, this also leaves an opening for bybs and pup millers to introduce new breeds for easier delivery and a "new breed". It just seems like my breed is doomed somehow.
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11-23-2004, 04:32 PM	#39 (permalink)
Sayuri Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: In the gorgeous NW Posts: 932 Rep Power: 132	Greenleaf and Ritz - I think our breeds will always have some hope when there are caring individuals such as yourselves that are willing to fight for those breeds. I definitely agree Greenleaf - Shibas are bad news in pet stores - one of the most horrible impulse buys I can possibly imagine. Whenever someone admits that, having seen my dogs, they are thinking of acquiring a Shiba pup, I always tell them to be prepared to "bring a little piece of the Devil into their home." Yes, it's all said in fun, and I can say it because I love the breed so much...but anyone expecting typical dog behavior just shouldn't get a Shiba, and I'm fairly certain that people purchasing from pet stores are assuming that "a dog is a dog is a dog." Most of these people don't expect a dog that's more interested in their own agenda, a dog that behaves more like a cat, a dog that needs excessive socialization and will likely treat small animals as beasts of prey. Typical under-educated first time puppy buyers want a dog that can run off leash and exhibit impeccable recall, a dog that LOVES getting baths and playing in the ocean, a dog that will play fetch. They expect this, see an adorable Shiba, plunk out that credit card...and the Shiba pays the price.
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11-23-2004, 02:07 PM	#37 (permalink)
Dobiekiss Doberman Addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 32 Rep Power: 75	www.dogster.com/pix/dogs/34/21334/1.jpg They called THIS a Doberman!! Maybe they made a mistake??

11-23-2004, 05:34 PM	#40 (permalink)
Rip's Girl Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 2,580 Rep Power: 142	Another breed I am seeing more and more in pet stores is the Chow Chow. Along with Shibas, Border Collies and Akitas being sold in pet stores, Chows are bad news as well. I also hate seeing poorly bred examples of this wonderful breed. I know a lot of people don't like chows, but to me they are some of the best dogs there are. (I imagine it's somewhat like some people's passion for Pit Bulls) I love this breed so much and I hate to see a family with a bunch of little kids and cats go and buy a chow at the pet store, a breed known for its lack of patience with strangers and pesky kids. Things like that are what make people say that Chows are bad dogs - Bad breeding, and an insuitable home.
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11-23-2004, 05:43 PM	#41 (permalink)
Ritz459 "Nothing is ever easy" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 5,735 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 235	Ya, I've met a lot of wonderful Chow mixes. Never met a pure bred chow though.....but anyways, all of the mixes have been wonderful. My friend found a Chow/Rottie mix and dubed it Moe and it was the sweetest thing alive. It had been abused (you could tell that by the way every time you moved it would cower in terror) and it wanted pet so bad but it was scared to come up to you. I was over at her house the first time Moe decided to come up to us and all she wanted was her belly rubed sooooooooo bad! lol The eventually got rid of the dog because everybody was telling them that a Chow would turn on their kids......yesh...... I was talking to this girl that is a freind of my mom's daughter (I think her name is Avery? We are the same age and both like dogs and ferrets! lol) and we got on the topic of what our favorite breeds were and I siad I liked Boxers, Pitties, and Chows and she said she liked Chows and that when her Mom used to work with this vet this lady brought in her Chow to be PTS because it had attacked her child nine times. I was like, "Well, she shouldn't have had a Chow with a kid! NOT the dogs fault...." Everybody thinks that Chows are the evilest thing alive when really they can be one of the most loyal breeds out there. (Stubborn, but loyal. lol)
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11-23-2004, 05:52 PM	#42 (permalink)
Rip's Girl Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 2,580 Rep Power: 142	I will always be loyal to the breed after having my sweet Shiner. She preferred to be left alone by strangers, but she was the most fiercely loyal dog I've ever had and I don't think I will ever have a better bond with a dog than I did with her. She was 100% chow in temperament, completely identical to how a good chow should be IMO.. A little impatient with strangers and rude kids (good and tolerant with gentle, calm kids) and fairly stubborn. I think the only reason she obeyed me was because she loved me so much and also knew that she couldn't get away with NOT obeying me. (Wouldn't give anyone else the time of day if they begged her.) Chows are wonderfully loyal dogs, but they are definitely not for an inexperienced owner. They do need a lot of socialization and they also need someone who understands the breed and won't put them into positions that make them horribly uncomfortable. (Like, being laid on by strange kids) Judging from the dogs I've met, I think Chows are good with 'their' kids. Shiner would tolerate any amount of rough handling from me when I was 5 or 6. I could sit on her, play wrestle with her, anything. She was fine with it. But, she wouldn't allow a strange kid to do that to her. My friends had to learn not to mess with her (or me, if she was in the same room) when they came over.
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11-24-2004, 07:35 AM	#44 (permalink)
Ritz459 "Nothing is ever easy" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 5,735 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 235	So true..... I HATE pet stores.....my mom said somebody was in there once looking at a Cocker Spaniel puppy and the lady said, "I don't know if I want a dog that keeps peeing every where!" because the puppy was being subbmisive and 'leaking' every where. Man, if I was in there I would have said, "Then don't get a puppy from a PetStore! You know how hare those are to house break? And any puppy at that will have accident is the house!" Yesh......
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