Dog Had Puppies!!!!!!!!

[animallover0200]

Originally Posted by TinyAlbinoDancer

It doesn't matter how responsible the owner is after the fact. Coldnose's statement that they've just put more dogs into a world that does not have room for them is absolutely true.

I understand your points and am not disagreeing fully.

Originally Posted by TinyAlbinoDancer

No matter how good of homes those puppies go to (which IS unlikely, I'm sorry to say), and even if they stayed in those homes their entire lives, they've still taken up homes that dogs already here desperately needed- and dogs will be killed for it.

Then, I guess my opinion to that is- Breeders are contributing to dogs that are desperately in need of a home too.
Ultimately, I still think it comes down to being a responsible owner. If, it weren’t for irresponsible dog owners there wouldn’t be dogs in shelters. A responsible owner wouldn’t allow this to happen in the first place.
I am not trying to debate this issue, just state my opinions. I respect everyone’s opinions and thoughts and know we all won't agree. Thanks for listening and hope I didn't upset anyone! .

[IceyBlueSibes]

Originally Posted by Animallover0200

I guess my opinion to that is- Breeders are contributing to dogs that are desperately in need of a home too

I agree...

Like fireworksinjuly said... remember the convo we had with a previous troll?

[TinyAlbinoDancer]

Then, I guess my opinion to that is- Breeders are contributing to dogs that are desperately in need of a home too.

I would never disagree with you on that!

[Rip's Girl]

I don't even care, I'm not going to feed the troll. For all we know, this didn't even happen.
Nice try, AngelWing.

[IceyBlueSibes]

Originally Posted by Rip's Girl

I don't even care, I'm not going to feed the troll. For all we know, this didn't even happen.
Nice try, AngelWing.

Although we're having a great conversation amongst ourselves LOL

[PitBullie09]

Yea thats why I havent said nothing Rip..lol

[ChiChi]

Angel Wing.. how are the pups!?! put pics on here!

[Crossfire Bulldogs]

I guess my opinion to that is- Breeders are contributing to dogs that are desperately in need of a home too

Wow, I feel so loved. I'm curious, how is it that all breeders get thrown into one group? My dogs are bred only when my own bloodline needs a new generation for the show ring, my champions retire here and stay here until going to the rainbow bridge, my pet pups are chipped, tattooed, spayed / neutered and sold on a strict contract that states if for any reason the dog can no longer be cared for it comes back to me and yes, I check up on every single pet puppy I place at least three times a year. If the pup comes back to me it stays with me until going to the bridge as well.

For every puppy I've ever placed, I've placed several rescues and shelter dogs as well because I feel breeders need to be part of the solution rather than the problem and owe it to give something back to the dogs yet I'm part of the problem? If pure bred breeders did not breed occasionally we'd have no pure bred dogs. I have nothing against mixed breed dogs but do enjoy my breed of choice. I've said my peace, I refuse to feed the troll any further by stirring things up further but I think the generalization of "breeders" is a bit unfair without knowing how they do things.

[ChiChi]

well yes, it isnt that breeders are bad! of course Crossfire, you are one of the many breeders who bred as a hobby, not for the money! but there are some breeders out ther who dont rele care about the dog, its almost like they get a dog book, say a random page number, flip to that page then, they are like ok i am gonna breed Afgan Hounds! but we need to thank crossfire and other breeders like her, who actually care for the dogs!

[TinyAlbinoDancer]

Whoops! Sorry Crossfire. I have never met/seen/heard of/knew existed (no I'm kidding ) a breeder who does things like you do. Literally never. That was an unfair generalization just the same, and I do apologize!

You are one of my favorite people in the world, just because of how you take care of your dogs, and educate and encourage others to do the same. You have been invaluable to this board with your articles and advice, and I get more and more excited that you're here every time you post. lol Not saying that just to smooth things over- promise- I mean it!

[animallover0200]

Originally Posted by Crossfire Bulldogs

Wow, I feel so loved. I'm curious, how is it that all breeders get thrown into one group?

Have you read all the articles from were I posted? I was replying and stating my opinion.

Originally Posted by Crossfire Bulldogs

My dogs are bred only when my own bloodline needs a new generation for the show ring, my champions retire here and stay here until going to the rainbow bridge, my pet pups are chipped, tattooed, spayed / neutered and sold on a strict contract that states if for any reason the dog can no longer be cared for it comes back to me and yes, I check up on every single pet puppy I place at least three times a year. If the pup comes back to me it stays with me until going to the bridge as well.
For every puppy I've ever placed, I've placed several rescues and shelter dogs as well because I feel breeders need to be part of the solution rather than the problem and owe it to give something back to the dogs

CrossFire- Now, your an orgianl breeder! !!! I SINCERELY Apologize if I had offended you! You have my total respect and I only wish there were more people like you!

Originally Posted by Crossfire Bulldogs

I'm part of the problem?

Not you personally. If only they all did that. Won't go further with this one.

Originally Posted by Crossfire Bulldogs

If pure bred breeders did not breed occasionally we'd have no pure bred dogs.

I agree with you. Plus, I wouldn't have Cora or Copper

Originally Posted by Crossfire Bulldogs

I have nothing against mixed breed dogs but do enjoy my breed of choice..

Understandable and agreeable. However, if it wasn't for a mixed breed I wouldn't have Sable . Even though I admitting to wanting her to have puppies I am glad we didn't.

Okay, I think I am done with this topic.

[GreenleafGreyhound]

Crossfire, I was waiting for you...

I strongly disagreed that breeders were part of the problem. Puppy mills, bybs, irresponsible breeders...Yes, they're part of the problem. But reputable breeders breed for the love of their breed and they only breed to enhance their lines and take the best of the * and sire to create a "better" generation. In fact, breeders have been known to borrow and share sires within their breed club members. It's very common and you'll notice it once you start looking around their websties. I will also add that many reputable breeders have rescued dogs and/or participate in adoption. How do I know this? Because I've spoken to many reputable breeders and many of them rescue/participate in rescuing. They rarely breed, and all the pet quality puppies are sold on a spay/neuter contract and the original breeder *must* receive the puppy back if the new owners must relinquish it. Not to mention, show prospects are rarely bred without the original breeder's consent.

Anyhow, AngelWing reminds me a certain banned poster(S).

[Rip's Girl]

Crossfire Bulldogs... *applauds* You're everything a breeder should be.
I've stayed out of this because I've stated my opinion quite a few times on this subject on a couple of forums. To make it short, reputable breeders are contributing to the dog population, but they are contributing healthy, high-quality dogs. Backyard breeders and puppy mills are not. If you do your research and breed to improve your dog's breed, that is fine with me. I don't find breeding to be a bad thing at all when you have the good of the breed in mind.

[PitBullie09]

Yea your a great breeder..Wish we had more people like you out there.

[Crossfire Bulldogs]

Thanks guys, I actually wasn't going to reply to the postings at all as I really wasn't interested in getting things stirred up when they don't need to be and I didn't want to come off like I was trying to whine or that I felt as if I was being picked on because I don't. I do however have very strong views when it comes to the topic of breeding and have a VERY strong dislike for millers, byb's, those who call themselves "designer" dog breeders, so called breeders who are more concerned with how much money they might make than the overall health and welfare of their breed as well as those who choose to breed a dog of mixed heritage just "because".

animallover0200 ~ I have read the articles where you posted and have no problem with anyone stating their opinion. There is no need to apologize or for anyone here to apologize for that matter, my only issue and point made was in regards to the generalization of breeders, I realize there are many ( toooo many for that matter ) breeders out there that are only interested in money but there really are a few of us out there that are more interested in the betterment of the breed and when something like this comes up you'll always see me raising my little hand and saying "Heeeey wait a minute, I don't want to be in with those people."

reputable breeders are contributing to the dog population

I agree Rips, do I agree that reputable breeders are contributing to dogs that are desperately in need of a home, no I don't but you are one hundred percent correct that even the most reputable / ethical breeder does increase the population. I only wish there was a way that when my bloodline needed another generation that I could make it possible to have my girls only have the one show prospect that I needed....now that, would be heaven here on earth for me.