Should I be offended?

[fancychicken]

Ok.. I posted on our local FREECYCLE that i needed to get rid of one of my roosters ( he's very aggressive and also veryyyyyy ..umm .. randy) I got a reply and scheduled a time for the guy to come out and pick up the rooster. When he pulled in , Shamous went berserk as usual ( need help with that as well) I opened the door and he plowed me over to get out. I specificall told the man NOT to acknowledge him. So what does the guy do..YELL at my dog. So Shamous takes it as "yeah jump up" and the guy screams at him. Now I acknowledge that Shamous should not have run out and he should not have jumped up.. However...I know my dog.. If you ignore him he will just sniff around a bit, and the come over for a pet. Any who..the guy says to me.."Man, you need to work with your dog, I don't care who he belongs to I am still going to yell at him for behavior like that" I told him I do work with him DAILY, and the people pulling in the drive way is the one thing I cannot get him to be "polite "about. The guy just rolled his eyes and asked for the rooster..which by the way he totally man handled. Then as he was leaving he said to me , "Well, thanks for the Rooster, not sure how long he'll last" and pulled out of the drive..

[Shadowkins]

Oh! dear, this fellow sounds like a real winner. You just have to shrug his comments off...I don't think he would have listened to you anyway, sounds like the type that already knows it all, if you know what I mean.
Sorry this happened to you but Shamous is a good boy ...it's the fellow who needs the training

[KennelMom]

I think if a dog comes running out barking and going berserk (your words), MOST people's normal reaction would be to react by screaming/yelling perhaps even running away or kicking the dog if it starts jumping on them. Not every person is dog savvy or even comfortable around dogs. This man has no idea what you do with your dog and I probably would have said something very similar if I'd been bowled over by an ill-behaving dog. Remember that YOU invited this guy to your house to take your rooster...he didn't just wander onto your property. Sure YOU know your dog, but it is unreasonable to expect everyone else in the world to "know your dog." People will react based on their own experiences and knowledge of dogs...not based on what you (a stranger to them) tells them they should be doing. They may not know you any better than they know your dog so why *should* they listen to you?

We have a couple dogs that are lacking manners (jump up on people), it's MY job as the owner to MAKE SURE those dogs are under the control of a leash or stay inside when we have company. It is unreasonable for me to expect a perfect stranger to help me train my dog (and a serious liability risk).

So should you be offended? Absolutely not. Do you know WHY this guy took your rooster? It doesn't sound like he had very good (or humane) plans for him. I would be sick over that rather than worrying about whether to be offended that someone yelled at your dog and told you he needed training (which by your own admission he does).

JMHO.

[Cassiepeia]

Good post KennelMom, I agree.

Also, perhaps you should have interviewed the guy before you sold him the rooster? His last comment would have ripped my heart out and been a deal breaker for me.

Cass.

[linnie]

Actually I would have told him if he had any knowlege of animals he would know yelling only excites the animal to be more out of control.
And perhaps he should try reading a few animal behavior and control books to gain a little knowlege instead of being a moron

[fancychicken]

KennelMom...I told the guy to please IGNORE him, otherwise he will jump. Though I said that in my post.

The rooster is going to run in his stables, he has Belgians and a few Race horses. I am hoping he ment the horses will tolerate him.

Cass...Had he made that statement prior to getting in the car and backing up I would have told him. no. As stated above , I did interview him and sounded like the he would have a good life.

I just find that the fact that he didn't follow my instuctions ( told him b4 he got their I had 2 dogs that will probably come running out and to not even acknowlege either of them.) and then he yells at my dogs and tells me , he needs training to be a offensive to me. I was wondering If I really should be and consider some more intensive training for Shamous. I have been working on this with him for over a year..he just doesn't get it.

[Jamila]

OMG what a jerk

[rmci]

For some people ignoring a dog is not that easy. Even though I have two of my own, if a dog came running at me I might yell too!

I do think it was rude of him to say that your dog needs training without knowing you or the dog better, but I wouldn't take it personally.

I agree with KennelMom; the responsibility for your dog is yours, not others. It doesn't matter if you forwarned him. You need to be the one that makes sure your dog behaves. What if Shamous bit the man? Not saying he would, but what if.

[Kris]

First, my perspective comes from my experience as an IW owner... not a dog you'd ever allow to jump on people.
I wouldn't be offended if Darby were to charge at someone and then jump on them and their response was yelling at him and then commenting on training. I would perhaps ask for training recommendations. But first and foremost I would be extremely apologetic that I'd allowed that behavior and supremely thankful that their response was so mild. Where I live they could do much, much worse than yelling and commenting. They could have Darby taken to the pound for "evaluation" as to his agressiveness... any judgement one that is unchallengeable. Shamous may be a lovely pet for you who listens to your every word except when strangers are around. BUT, strangers don't know anything about your dog except those behaviors you allow your dog to exhibit in front of them.
So, offended? no. Thanking your lucky stars that his response was benign? yes.

Kris

[Sayuri]

I've got mixed feelings on this one. So many people I know haven't trained their dogs at all, or just haven't figured out how to break the jumping up behavior, that I honestly have gotten used to it, which is not to say that I don't find it annoying, of course. For instance, I don't tolerate in my own dogs. And I can completely understand what Kris is saying - I'd be very nervous for those friends of mine if I lived in an area where jumping was taken that seriously. But, like I said - I am used to it. I get jumped on all the time at the shelter I volunteer at too; it's obvious to me when the dogs are not being aggressive in their behavior, and are merely excited, but that may simply be because I am a dog person, and I have a fairly good handle on dog body language. It always surprises me when other people don't, but I then have to remember that I do have friends that are *terrified* of dogs - even mine, despite their size and excellent behavior (heck, my dogs could care less about people who visit). If people are scared of a Shiba Inu ignoring them, I guess I can see why someone would be scared if a dog were to jump on them.

I think the man handled it poorly. You told him exactly what to do, and he ignored you, and then Shamous jumped on him. The man could have used much more genteel language, and that last stab at you with the rooster was over the top, and imo, disgusting. I know how it feels to tell people exactly how to approach your animals, and to have your directions ignored - it's annoying as heck - however, I make sure in such situations that I am always in control of my dogs and can step between them and any situation that might not work out the way I wanted them to. People have an annoying habit of thinking that *they* know the right way to work with dogs, including yours, and that often means that no matter what you say, they ignore you, even to their own detriment. Thus, I make sure that they don't have a chance to do the "wrong" thing.

The only thing I can think of is that, if you knew when this man was coming, and you knew what kind of response Shamous was likely to have, keeping him on lead or inside the house when the man arrived would have been the best option. But I can see why that might not have worked in many ways - you might not have known when he was coming exactly, Shamous might have free run of the yard all of the time, and would thus know when you had visitors even before you did. You might just not have thought it would be such a problem, as Shamous is friendly and perhaps the majority of your visitors are like me, and are "used" to jumping dogs, even if like me, they aren't thrilled with the behavior. Sometimes hindsight is 20/20 - and yes, I still think the man overreacted.

[fancychicken]

Thanks for all the responses everyone. I forgot to mention that he had 2 dogs in the back of his vehichle..that didn't even flich at Shamous, never barked. He also put the rooster in the back with them and the never even smelled it. Ughhh. You are all absolutely right. I have been working on this with Shamous for a very long time and am taking some different direction, to correct this. because quite frankly It is a very poor reflection on me. I guess the situation was a that "hey you know what kristine? you need to correct this and correct it NOW. B4 someone gets hurt. "My ENTIRE family is petrified of dogs. Theya re ok if the dog is just wandering around, but they wouldn't even get out of their cars if they saw Shamous coming at them the way he does.

he is without a doubt the most brick headed, stead fast, strong willed dog I have ever owned. I realize now that a long time ago I must have subconsciouly realized that and gave in. Bad MOMMMIE!!

Sammy has been kind enough to start PM'ing me to give me some different angles and pointers to help me out with this ....THANK GOD! "cause nobody dog lover or not, should have to deal with a 130lb Shepard/lab...barrelling at them..I would probably pee my pants now that I think about it.

[2pups622]

Originally Posted by KennelMom

I think if a dog comes running out barking and going berserk (your words), MOST people's normal reaction would be to react by screaming/yelling perhaps even running away or kicking the dog if it starts jumping on them. Not every person is dog savvy or even comfortable around dogs. This man has no idea what you do with your dog and I probably would have said something very similar if I'd been bowled over by an ill-behaving dog. Remember that YOU invited this guy to your house to take your rooster...he didn't just wander onto your property. Sure YOU know your dog, but it is unreasonable to expect everyone else in the world to "know your dog." People will react based on their own experiences and knowledge of dogs...not based on what you (a stranger to them) tells them they should be doing. They may not know you any better than they know your dog so why *should* they listen to you?

We have a couple dogs that are lacking manners (jump up on people), it's MY job as the owner to MAKE SURE those dogs are under the control of a leash or stay inside when we have company. It is unreasonable for me to expect a perfect stranger to help me train my dog (and a serious liability risk).

So should you be offended? Absolutely not. Do you know WHY this guy took your rooster? It doesn't sound like he had very good (or humane) plans for him. I would be sick over that rather than worrying about whether to be offended that someone yelled at your dog and told you he needed training (which by your own admission he does).

JMHO.

i agree