Crossfire, a question..

[DarknessDivine]

I was sitting here last night and thought to myself "Why do they not allow you to show a dog unless it's intact?"
So since you show I thought I'd ask you, why must they have "all" of their parts?....lol

[BXRchic]

and what about the females...?
I mean, I guess that would defeat the purpose of showing if a female was spayed (the point of showing would be to gain titles to improve the dogs "reputation" and sort of "demand" for breeding quality, right? I have no idea about these things... i'm just assuming).
But in theory... I could "say" that my female dog is "in tact" but she may not be... would they ever know? Do they check the dogs out or anything? look for a scar? do they really care much?

Good question Dark!

[doberkim]

because the breed ring is to evaluate breeding stock. a neutered/spayed dog is not able to breed. they are allowed to show speutered if they are veterans and juniors, but thats it. its not a place for people to take their neutered pets, etc.

they dont check, but if you are reported as doing such, all your wins can be voided and ou could be suspended from the AKC. whats the point in cheating? why lie?

[DarknessDivine]

I wasn't asking about cheating, I just think that shows should let you show a dog that is quality if it meets show standards even if it's not intact, why must you breed to show your beautiful dog? I mean I guess my next question would be why not have a show for just plain standard breeds that are perfect yet have been fixed. I could see a great use for that myself.

[Lil'Paws]

I guess my next question would be why not have a show for just plain standard breeds that are perfect yet have been fixed. I could see a great use for that myself.

As could I, Darkness.

[BXRchic]

The question wasn't so much "why cheat" (actually it wasn't "why cheat" at all) as it was "could someone easily be dishonost in the ring and get away with it". As an afterthought it was also said that b/c of the breeding it defeats the purpose.

On the topic of a pet-show
me too... I'm curious how Kaida would stack up to the competition considering her "less than favorable" lines (byb runt of the litter)
but i would want them to also have a "best of mutts" competition too! Our "Lucky-Dog" is a cutie!

[DarknessDivine]

Yeah, I'd love to show Dracs but can't because we chose to fix him...

[Crossfire Bulldogs]

Actually, I know many judges who won't check to see if the dog has been neutered or spayed if they feel it might be questionable. I don't think I've ever been in a show where my males weren't checked to make sure both testicles were in place and both males and females checked for deafness, eyes checked and bite looked at.

Other things breeder judges especially will look for and can spot a mile away are dog's who have had entropian surgery, deafness, ectropion, trichiasis, distichiasis, correction of harelip, cleft palate, stenotic nares, or an elongated soft palate resection.

Judging the dog is judging the breeding stock based on a set breed standard, seeing the dog in it's natural state and totally intact. A dog is also considered changed in appearance by artificial means if it has been subjected to any type of procedure that has the effect of obscuring, disguising or eliminating any congenital or hereditary abnormality or any undesirable characteristic, or that does anything to improve a dog's natural appearance, temperament, bite or gait.

[DarknessDivine]

Then I wonder why they allow or almost demand on cropped ears/docked tails in some breeds?
Oh well My Dracs is handsome and a winner with or without his man parts.....

[Crossfire Bulldogs]

Originally Posted by DarknessDivine

Then I wonder why they allow or almost demand on cropped ears/docked tails in some breeds?
Oh well My Dracs is handsome and a winner with or without his man parts.....

Many breeds have it written in their breed standard. What a lot of people don't understand is that the breed standards aren't written by the AKC, their written by the national breed clubs and only enforced by the AKC since it's what they base their judging on.

Your right, Dracs is still perfect in every way.

[Cassiepeia]

A spay/neuter catagory is a wonderful idea. Like they have in cat shows. Spays/neuters and even moggies can be shown. Although probably showing mix breed dogs is wishful thinking. LOL But a spay/neuter group would be great, especially if you could take your dog right though and finish him/her. Perhaps the title could be slightly different, but he/she would still be a champion.

Cass.

EDIT: I'm not referring to a 'pet' group, just 'show quality' animals that aren't intact.

[DarknessDivine]

Exactly what I am referring to ....

[Rip's Girl]

That would be wonderful. I'd love to show Dakota, but I don't know if I really want to breed.. I love Border Collies, but there are so many of them in pounds. Dakota fits the standard to a "T" structure-wise (Unfortunately because of his markings, his head looks slightly "off", even though it isn't.. He's not as flashy as a lot of BCs you see in the show ring, because of those facial markings, but his structure, temperament and gait (gait is quite important in Border Collies) are excellent... I would love to give showing him a shot, though, but I'm not sure if I really want to breed him.. It would be great to be able to show him altered.

[doberkim]

Originally Posted by DarknessDivine

I wasn't asking about cheating,

i didnt say you did. someone else asked/

/quote]I just think that shows should let you show a dog that is quality if it meets show standards even if it's not intact, why must you breed to show your beautiful dog?[/quote]

you dont have to breed. but your dog has to be intact. i know many people with intact animals that dont breed - i will be one of them.

I mean I guess my next question would be why not have a show for just plain standard breeds that are perfect yet have been fixed.

some other orgs do, and some places put on fun matches for pets.

[doberkim]

Originally Posted by DarknessDivine

Then I wonder why they allow or almost demand on cropped ears/docked tails in some breeds?
Oh well My Dracs is handsome and a winner with or without his man parts.....

it is not required. its optional, except for docking. and its because it is breed standard - ties into the original purpose of the breeds. natural eared animals are not penalized unless the crop is stated in the breed standard. cropping, docking, and dew claw removal (though not CORRECTIONS of problems) are specifically excluded in the AKC rules on alterations of dogs.