Aussie Tails?

Aria · 11-09-2006, 05:28 PM

As some of you might know, australian shepherds have natural bobtails. I was on google, and found this.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...shepherd&hl=en
(video, you might need flash)

These are the first ones I've seen with tails more than 4 inches.

Do they come with tails like these? My baby's a aussie GSD mix and hers plumes and is held just like this.

Do aussies come like that if they're not docked? Or are these mixes? On the breed sites say it's usually no more than 4 inches so..

-hopes she posted on right board-

Sugardog · 11-09-2006, 08:29 PM

I suppose it's possible for a poorly bred purebred aussie to have a tail a little longer than the standard, but typically they aren't.

Those dogs looked like they actually might have been a blue merle variety of border collie.

***Cassiepeia*** · 11-10-2006, 12:40 AM

Actually tailed pups are often born in 'bob tailed' breed litters. So they could very well be purebred and well bred. The reason they aren't usually longer than the standard is because the long tails (and bob tails that are longer than the standard says) are docked to the "correct" length.

Cass.

Sugardog · 11-10-2006, 01:06 AM

Thats interesting, I never knew that.

I still think that those dogs in the video are not aussies though. The body shape is too tall and slender.

sammy · 11-10-2006, 08:52 AM

I didn't watch the video, but the majority of aussies are not naturally bobbed; most are docked at birth. If you breed natural bobs together you can often get problems with the spine.
As much as I love My aussies wiggle butt I'd be happy to see aussies born with tails, keep them- they have lovely tails and useful for balance.

edited to add- I watched the video and those dogs sure look like purebred aussies to me. They are quite different from a border collie in many ways other than the tail.

Aria · 11-10-2006, 09:00 AM

They have the ears and face, but I agree, their chest is lacking. The title is " Australian shepherd brother and sister" So it's probably just poorly bred. Although I love the adults tail.

rmci · 11-10-2006, 09:03 AM

They look like AS to me. I like them with long tails

Some are born with naturally short bobbed or partial bobbed tails and some with full long tails. Most are docked while they're still puppies since it's in the breed standard.

Aria · 11-10-2006, 11:42 AM

Thanks so much. I found another picture and the tails are beautiful. Pluming proud flags. I agree. Keep them. It's always nice to come home and see your dogs tail pumping with how happy they are to see you.

Aria · 11-10-2006, 04:04 PM

I think I found the answer to my own Q.

http://www.imgnr.com/nbt_study.htm

SpringerLover · 11-10-2006, 06:01 PM

I go to agility class with a well bred full tailed aussie pupper.

She was supposed to go overseas where they can't have a docked animal, but something didn't work out and so a club/class mate was able to get her. I LOVE her natural tail! It is JUST beautiful!

She's a red merle BTW

Aria · 11-10-2006, 06:13 PM

I don't even know why it's standard to have it docked now after all I've seen.

***Cassiepeia*** · 11-10-2006, 06:38 PM

I don't know why it's standard either.
Most other herding dogs have full tails, not bobbed or docked. Although perhaps the appearance of bob tailed pups in a litter inspired people to create more. We have a habit of breeding what we find attractive and discouraging what we don't.

Cass.

sammy · 11-13-2006, 09:23 AM

I think the reason they dock the tailed aussies is so all aussies look the same / can conform to the same standard. I'm not sure that justifies it for me since I have no interest in conformation nor do I think the conformation ring proves much (that I care about anyway) about the quality of a working/herding breed of dog.

SpringerLover · 11-13-2006, 12:48 PM

The dog I know is "Solar" aka Roanoaks Solar Flare O-NAC NJC TN-N TG-N NCC

Beautiful full tailed red merle aussie!

I'm with you though, if a dog was bred to herd, that should be the main priority when choosing breeding stock... same with hunting

Aria · 11-13-2006, 12:59 PM

It agree. I know some breeders who refuse to show their dogs because it had nothing to do with herding/hunting.

11-09-2006, 05:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
Aria Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Northeastern US Posts: 80 Rep Power: 40	Aussie Tails? As some of you might know, australian shepherds have natural bobtails. I was on google, and found this. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...shepherd&hl=en (video, you might need flash) These are the first ones I've seen with tails more than 4 inches. Do they come with tails like these? My baby's a aussie GSD mix and hers plumes and is held just like this. Do aussies come like that if they're not docked? Or are these mixes? On the breed sites say it's usually no more than 4 inches so.. -hopes she posted on right board-

11-09-2006, 08:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
Sugardog Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 266 Rep Power: 52	I suppose it's possible for a poorly bred purebred aussie to have a tail a little longer than the standard, but typically they aren't. Those dogs looked like they actually might have been a blue merle variety of border collie.
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11-10-2006, 12:40 AM	#3 (permalink)
*Cassiepeia* Chihuahua Mum Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: NSW, Australia Posts: 8,281 Blog Entries: 9 Rep Power: 284	Actually tailed pups are often born in 'bob tailed' breed litters. So they could very well be purebred and well bred. The reason they aren't usually longer than the standard is because the long tails (and bob tails that are longer than the standard says) are docked to the "correct" length. Cass.
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11-10-2006, 01:06 AM	#4 (permalink)
Sugardog Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 266 Rep Power: 52	Thats interesting, I never knew that. I still think that those dogs in the video are not aussies though. The body shape is too tall and slender.
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11-10-2006, 08:52 AM	#5 (permalink)
sammy herding dog lover Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: western canada Posts: 1,089 Rep Power: 113	I didn't watch the video, but the majority of aussies are not naturally bobbed; most are docked at birth. If you breed natural bobs together you can often get problems with the spine. As much as I love My aussies wiggle butt I'd be happy to see aussies born with tails, keep them- they have lovely tails and useful for balance. edited to add- I watched the video and those dogs sure look like purebred aussies to me. They are quite different from a border collie in many ways other than the tail.
	Last edited by sammy : 11-10-2006 at 11:59 AM.

11-10-2006, 09:00 AM	#6 (permalink)
Aria Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Northeastern US Posts: 80 Rep Power: 40	They have the ears and face, but I agree, their chest is lacking. The title is " Australian shepherd brother and sister" So it's probably just poorly bred. Although I love the adults tail.

11-10-2006, 09:03 AM	#7 (permalink)
rmci aka Red Dogs Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: CA Posts: 1,221 Rep Power: 89	They look like AS to me. I like them with long tails Some are born with naturally short bobbed or partial bobbed tails and some with full long tails. Most are docked while they're still puppies since it's in the breed standard.
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11-10-2006, 11:42 AM	#8 (permalink)
Aria Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Northeastern US Posts: 80 Rep Power: 40	Thanks so much. I found another picture and the tails are beautiful. Pluming proud flags. I agree. Keep them. It's always nice to come home and see your dogs tail pumping with how happy they are to see you.

11-10-2006, 04:04 PM	#9 (permalink)
Aria Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Northeastern US Posts: 80 Rep Power: 40	I think I found the answer to my own Q. http://www.imgnr.com/nbt_study.htm

11-10-2006, 06:01 PM	#10 (permalink)
SpringerLover Rascal Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Midwest Posts: 466 Rep Power: 54	I go to agility class with a well bred full tailed aussie pupper. She was supposed to go overseas where they can't have a docked animal, but something didn't work out and so a club/class mate was able to get her. I LOVE her natural tail! It is JUST beautiful! She's a red merle BTW
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11-10-2006, 06:13 PM	#11 (permalink)
Aria Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Northeastern US Posts: 80 Rep Power: 40	I don't even know why it's standard to have it docked now after all I've seen.
	Last edited by Aria : 11-10-2006 at 06:58 PM. Reason: Please don't post kennel websites or copyright pictures

11-10-2006, 06:38 PM	#12 (permalink)
*Cassiepeia* Chihuahua Mum Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: NSW, Australia Posts: 8,281 Blog Entries: 9 Rep Power: 284	I don't know why it's standard either. Most other herding dogs have full tails, not bobbed or docked. Although perhaps the appearance of bob tailed pups in a litter inspired people to create more. We have a habit of breeding what we find attractive and discouraging what we don't. Cass.
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11-13-2006, 09:23 AM	#13 (permalink)
sammy herding dog lover Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: western canada Posts: 1,089 Rep Power: 113	I think the reason they dock the tailed aussies is so all aussies look the same / can conform to the same standard. I'm not sure that justifies it for me since I have no interest in conformation nor do I think the conformation ring proves much (that I care about anyway) about the quality of a working/herding breed of dog.

11-13-2006, 12:48 PM	#14 (permalink)
SpringerLover Rascal Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Midwest Posts: 466 Rep Power: 54	The dog I know is "Solar" aka Roanoaks Solar Flare O-NAC NJC TN-N TG-N NCC Beautiful full tailed red merle aussie! I'm with you though, if a dog was bred to herd, that should be the main priority when choosing breeding stock... same with hunting
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11-13-2006, 12:59 PM	#15 (permalink)
Aria Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Northeastern US Posts: 80 Rep Power: 40	It agree. I know some breeders who refuse to show their dogs because it had nothing to do with herding/hunting.

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