Miniature Australian Shepherd

killerblue · 11-09-2005, 09:48 AM

I recently purchased a Miniature Australian Shepherd that is Continental KC registered. As a new puppy owner, I of course was under the impression this was a good thing. I have since discovered this KC is not very reputable. I still think my Mini is a purebred and has correct structure and manner for the Australian Shepherd. How do I know if this is in fact true? Are there ways to have your dog judged without attending a show?

Can I ever register her with the AKC or other reputable KC?

killerblue · 11-09-2005, 10:24 AM

I recently purchased a Miniature Australian Shepherd that is Continental KC registered. As a new puppy owner, I of course was under the impression this was a good thing. I have since discovered this KC is not very reputable. I still think my Mini is a purebred and has correct structure and manner for the Australian Shepherd. How do I know if this is in fact true? Are there ways to have your dog judged without attending a show?

Can I ever register her with the AKC or other reputable KC?

killerblue · 11-09-2005, 02:15 PM

Hi, there are so many clubs a dog can be registered to out there and I was curious what you get when you breed a dog that is AKC registered to a dog that is CKC (Continental Kennel Club) registered. Does it matter which is the Dam?

Crossfire Bulldogs · 11-09-2005, 02:21 PM

I wasn't aware there was such a thing as a "mini" Australian Shepherd.

You can apply for an ILP number through AKC but thats it. I'm not up to speed on the other registries so I can't help you there but maybe someone else knows.

Crossfire Bulldogs · 11-09-2005, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by killerblue

Hi, there are so many clubs a dog can be registered to out there and I was curious what you get when you breed a dog that is AKC registered to a dog that is CKC (Continental Kennel Club) registered. Does it matter which is the Dam?

If your talking about your "mini" Australian Shepherd without even going into the rules on breeding a litter with dogs from two different registries I can tell you that the AKC would not allow it. The AKC does not recognize a miniature Australian Shepherd.

rutylr · 11-09-2005, 03:03 PM

There is not a reputable registery that recognizes mini Aussies.They are Austrailian Shepherds in AKC and UKC.

doberkim · 11-09-2005, 03:52 PM

no, you cant register her anywhere else, because the breed is not a recognized breed in any other kennel club (that i know of - definitely NOT in AKC). i am not even sure you can do an ILP on her... you might be able to, but they might not because of the fact that she is a mini.

tessa_s212 · 11-09-2005, 05:04 PM

Well, you've got two strikes against you so far. 1)No such thing as a Mini Aussie. 2) The ConKC isn't very reputable at all(which you have already realized). But, I am glad that you are asking questions and willing to learn! (And don't worry, there are probably alot of use here, including myself, that once made a bad breeder decision as well.)

I am not sure of the rules, but I am sure that you can get an ILP AKC registration. You will have to provide two pictures, and if your dog looks purebred, they give you a ILP number. You won't be able to show in conformation, and your dog has to be spayed/neutered. You will need proof from the vet.

Here is the AKC website. It will go into more detail.
http://www.akc.org/reg/ilpex.cfm

tessa_s212 · 11-09-2005, 05:42 PM

Depends on how "mini" she is. If she looks like one of those "minis" that are bred to look like a Pomeranian, you probably won't have a chance. If it is a larger "mini", than you could apply for an ILP. I responded to one of your other two threads with the AKC website address for the ILP.

(Hint, hint- it is really annoying when someone starts three different threads all about the same thing.)

Chelsea · 11-09-2005, 05:46 PM

You couldn't fully register the pup with the AKC if one of the parents was only registered with the ConKennel Club. Both would have to be reg'd with the AKC. It might be able to be ILP'd, though.

***Cassiepeia*** · 11-09-2005, 07:22 PM

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(Hint, hint- it is really annoying when someone starts three different threads all about the same thing.)

Yup, sure is. So I've merged all three together.

Cass.

Lexus11 · 11-10-2005, 06:23 AM

*same as above * Yup no such thing as a mini. That's just a bybreeding "ploy", sadly.

I say this with confidence as an aussie owner (rescued) My friend (ex friend now, this difference in opinion required a separation of ways.) decided to buy two mini's and start her own breeding business. "latest craze with the horse people" she tells me..... Her one mini looks like a papillion the other looks like a bully type of short aussie. The temperment on neither is anything like an aussie should be.

Depending on the appearance you may be able to get a limited registration from AKC.

killerblue · 11-10-2005, 12:23 PM

I guess I should be combining all my questions into one post to keep from annoying experienced members. Sorry bout that.

The demand for miniaturizations is pretty high these days (I don't know anyone that owns acres of land where larger dogs are able to get the space they need). If breeders are producing smaller versions of the Aussie that are in good health, should they still be discriminated against?

I think the name "Miniature Australian Shepherd" is a way to attract buyers interested in the intelligence and charisma of the aussie in a smaller package. Since someone is out there trying to create a new "breed" by this name and at this time the CKC is the only club that recognizes such a breed, if my dog attends shows sponsored by the CKC, are awards received still legitimate?

The description of the mini aussie in those shows the same (excepting size) as the description of the regular aussie in the AKC shows.

Sorry about the lengthy questions. I have loved dogs all my life and I had considered starting a breeding program someday but not before I had my questions answered. Thanks in advance!

rutylr · 11-10-2005, 01:44 PM

Sorry but to make a breed smaller is not doing the breed any good.
The mini aussie in not at all like the Aussie.They don't herd.This is a working breed and should remain so.
The stupid people who are doing this are showing their mini aussies in UKC,but they are registered as Australian Shepherds.If they really wanted it to be it's own breed they would only show it as a Mini Aussie.
Donna

Crossfire Bulldogs · 11-10-2005, 01:48 PM

The only breeders that are breeding smaller are those looking to make a buck by selling whats currently "in" rather than considering any of the genetics involved. IMHO Honestly, did the breeder you got your dog from provide you with any health certifications from a veterinarian, CERF or OFA documention on either parent?

Just a few things to consider.

11-09-2005, 09:48 AM	#1 (permalink)
killerblue Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	Continental KC mistake I recently purchased a Miniature Australian Shepherd that is Continental KC registered. As a new puppy owner, I of course was under the impression this was a good thing. I have since discovered this KC is not very reputable. I still think my Mini is a purebred and has correct structure and manner for the Australian Shepherd. How do I know if this is in fact true? Are there ways to have your dog judged without attending a show? Can I ever register her with the AKC or other reputable KC?
killerblue Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0

11-09-2005, 10:24 AM	#2 (permalink)
killerblue Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	Miniature Australian Shepherd I recently purchased a Miniature Australian Shepherd that is Continental KC registered. As a new puppy owner, I of course was under the impression this was a good thing. I have since discovered this KC is not very reputable. I still think my Mini is a purebred and has correct structure and manner for the Australian Shepherd. How do I know if this is in fact true? Are there ways to have your dog judged without attending a show? Can I ever register her with the AKC or other reputable KC?
killerblue Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0

11-09-2005, 02:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
killerblue Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	AKC bred to CKC makes... Hi, there are so many clubs a dog can be registered to out there and I was curious what you get when you breed a dog that is AKC registered to a dog that is CKC (Continental Kennel Club) registered. Does it matter which is the Dam?
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11-09-2005, 02:21 PM	#4 (permalink)
Crossfire Bulldogs Sourmug Mom Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Snuggled Between The Snorts & Snores. Posts: 7,844 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 285	I wasn't aware there was such a thing as a "mini" Australian Shepherd. You can apply for an ILP number through AKC but thats it. I'm not up to speed on the other registries so I can't help you there but maybe someone else knows.
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11-09-2005, 03:03 PM	#6 (permalink)
rutylr Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sheboygan,WI Posts: 205 Rep Power: 65	There is not a reputable registery that recognizes mini Aussies.They are Austrailian Shepherds in AKC and UKC.
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11-09-2005, 03:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
doberkim doberslave Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 830 Rep Power: 104	no, you cant register her anywhere else, because the breed is not a recognized breed in any other kennel club (that i know of - definitely NOT in AKC). i am not even sure you can do an ILP on her... you might be able to, but they might not because of the fact that she is a mini.
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11-09-2005, 05:04 PM	#8 (permalink)
tessa_s212 animal rescue advocate Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Stryker, Ohio Posts: 646 Rep Power: 82	Well, you've got two strikes against you so far. 1)No such thing as a Mini Aussie. 2) The ConKC isn't very reputable at all(which you have already realized). But, I am glad that you are asking questions and willing to learn! (And don't worry, there are probably alot of use here, including myself, that once made a bad breeder decision as well.) I am not sure of the rules, but I am sure that you can get an ILP AKC registration. You will have to provide two pictures, and if your dog looks purebred, they give you a ILP number. You won't be able to show in conformation, and your dog has to be spayed/neutered. You will need proof from the vet. Here is the AKC website. It will go into more detail. http://www.akc.org/reg/ilpex.cfm
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11-09-2005, 05:42 PM	#9 (permalink)
tessa_s212 animal rescue advocate Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Stryker, Ohio Posts: 646 Rep Power: 82	Depends on how "mini" she is. If she looks like one of those "minis" that are bred to look like a Pomeranian, you probably won't have a chance. If it is a larger "mini", than you could apply for an ILP. I responded to one of your other two threads with the AKC website address for the ILP. (Hint, hint- it is really annoying when someone starts three different threads all about the same thing.)
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11-09-2005, 05:46 PM	#10 (permalink)
Chelsea Golden Retriever Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Coronado, CA, USA Posts: 144 Rep Power: 63	You couldn't fully register the pup with the AKC if one of the parents was only registered with the ConKennel Club. Both would have to be reg'd with the AKC. It might be able to be ILP'd, though.

11-10-2005, 06:23 AM	#12 (permalink)
Lexus11 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 80 Rep Power: 60	same as above Yup no such thing as a mini. That's just a bybreeding "ploy", sadly. I say this with confidence as an aussie owner (rescued) My friend (ex friend now, this difference in opinion required a separation of ways.) decided to buy two mini's and start her own breeding business. "latest craze with the horse people" she tells me..... Her one mini looks like a papillion the other looks like a bully type of short aussie. The temperment on neither is anything like an aussie should be. Depending on the appearance you may be able to get a limited registration from AKC.
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11-10-2005, 12:23 PM	#13 (permalink)
killerblue Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	I guess I should be combining all my questions into one post to keep from annoying experienced members. Sorry bout that. The demand for miniaturizations is pretty high these days (I don't know anyone that owns acres of land where larger dogs are able to get the space they need). If breeders are producing smaller versions of the Aussie that are in good health, should they still be discriminated against? I think the name "Miniature Australian Shepherd" is a way to attract buyers interested in the intelligence and charisma of the aussie in a smaller package. Since someone is out there trying to create a new "breed" by this name and at this time the CKC is the only club that recognizes such a breed, if my dog attends shows sponsored by the CKC, are awards received still legitimate? The description of the mini aussie in those shows the same (excepting size) as the description of the regular aussie in the AKC shows. Sorry about the lengthy questions. I have loved dogs all my life and I had considered starting a breeding program someday but not before I had my questions answered. Thanks in advance!
killerblue Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0

11-10-2005, 01:44 PM	#14 (permalink)
rutylr Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sheboygan,WI Posts: 205 Rep Power: 65	Sorry but to make a breed smaller is not doing the breed any good. The mini aussie in not at all like the Aussie.They don't herd.This is a working breed and should remain so. The stupid people who are doing this are showing their mini aussies in UKC,but they are registered as Australian Shepherds.If they really wanted it to be it's own breed they would only show it as a Mini Aussie. Donna
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11-10-2005, 01:48 PM	#15 (permalink)
Crossfire Bulldogs Sourmug Mom Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Snuggled Between The Snorts & Snores. Posts: 7,844 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 285	The only breeders that are breeding smaller are those looking to make a buck by selling whats currently "in" rather than considering any of the genetics involved. IMHO Honestly, did the breeder you got your dog from provide you with any health certifications from a veterinarian, CERF or OFA documention on either parent? Just a few things to consider.
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