Olde English Bulldogge?

[WhitsMom]

Oh lord....

Olde English Bulldogges are mutts, the registry is just like if (and they may have it already) Puggles had a registry. There was a reason the Bulldog went from more of a working dog (a very long time ago) to what they are now. They were Bull Baiters, had aggression issues and more, they were bred more and more as a companion animal after the years went by, especially after Bull Baiting was banned.

All this mixing and creating of the OEB is just like any other designer breed. And like someone else mentioned, they create such a story book reasoning that they believe every part of it as if it was the gospel. You can create a healthy Bulldog from just purebred bulldogs, good breeders do this. That is what good AKC Bulldog breeders work towards. Not all breeders are great through and you can usually tell buy talking to them if you know the breed well.

Even some breeders who happen to have top Champions are full of it and are not in it for health.

If you want a healthy active bulldog, then make sure you are researching only breeders who fully health test PRIOR to breeding! This is the only way. I know many OEB with more issues than purebreds. Breeding them with longer legs, longer backs, and a slightly longer muzzle does not make them a healthier type of Bulldog, that is just BS!

The other thing with ALL mixed dogs... NO good breeders who have spent their money on proper health testing, vetting, and breeding practices sell intact dogs they have worked so hard to create to just anyone, ESPECIALLY to people who plan to mix them with other breeds! This forces people who mix breeds to purchase intact stock dogs from less than reputable people, who are not working hard to plan for healthy breedings.

So in a breeder's program who mixes... you have poor stock (whether they seem healthy or not) breeding to each other, this does NOT equal healthy puppies.

And those people who lie to your face and say their designer breed is more healthy than the Purebreds... BS.

Do the math.

poor + poor = poor or poorer


If you really like Bulldogs, then you will like them as they are, not as what they could be.

Also, rescues get in all shapes & sizes, all athletic abilities, they are fully vetted by vets who know Bulldogs and their potential issues. Getting a rescue can be less of a gamble, becasue they try hard to find out the health of the dog before adopting them out.

Getting a pup is a crap shoot, and if you are not a lover of purebred Bulldog in general, this is not a gamble you should take. Nothing in life is fool proof.

The better research you do, the better odds you have of getting a happy healthy Bulldog, or any breed for that matter.

If you are researching, stay fairly local so you can go see the breeders place, see the dogs in question. You can also contact your local Bulldog Rescue, they know all of the crappy breeders, becasue they usually get their dogs into rescue!

Tegan
Cascade Bulldog Rescue

[Ritz459]

Originally Posted by WhitsMom

Oh lord....

Olde English Bulldogges are mutts, the registry is just like if (and they may have it already) Puggles had a registry. There was a reason the Bulldog went from more of a working dog (a very long time ago) to what they are now. They were Bull Baiters, had aggression issues and more, they were bred more and more as a companion animal after the years went by, especially after Bull Baiting was banned.

All this mixing and creating of the OEB is just like any other designer breed. And like someone else mentioned, they create such a story book reasoning that they believe every part of it as if it was the gospel. You can create a healthy Bulldog from just purebred bulldogs, good breeders do this. That is what good AKC Bulldog breeders work towards. Not all breeders are great through and you can usually tell buy talking to them if you know the breed well.

Even some breeders who happen to have top Champions are full of it and are not in it for health.

If you want a healthy active bulldog, then make sure you are researching only breeders who fully health test PRIOR to breeding! This is the only way. I know many OEB with more issues than purebreds. Breeding them with longer legs, longer backs, and a slightly longer muzzle does not make them a healthier type of Bulldog, that is just BS!

The other thing with ALL mixed dogs... NO good breeders who have spent their money on proper health testing, vetting, and breeding practices sell intact dogs they have worked so hard to create to just anyone, ESPECIALLY to people who plan to mix them with other breeds! This forces people who mix breeds to purchase intact stock dogs from less than reputable people, who are not working hard to plan for healthy breedings.

So in a breeder's program who mixes... you have poor stock (whether they seem healthy or not) breeding to each other, this does NOT equal healthy puppies.

And those people who lie to your face and say their designer breed is more healthy than the Purebreds... BS.

Do the math.

poor + poor = poor or poorer


If you really like Bulldogs, then you will like them as they are, not as what they could be.

Also, rescues get in all shapes & sizes, all athletic abilities, they are fully vetted by vets who know Bulldogs and their potential issues. Getting a rescue can be less of a gamble, becasue they try hard to find out the health of the dog before adopting them out.

Getting a pup is a crap shoot, and if you are not a lover of purebred Bulldog in general, this is not a gamble you should take. Nothing in life is fool proof.

The better research you do, the better odds you have of getting a happy healthy Bulldog, or any breed for that matter.

If you are researching, stay fairly local so you can go see the breeders place, see the dogs in question. You can also contact your local Bulldog Rescue, they know all of the crappy breeders, becasue they usually get their dogs into rescue!

Tegan
Cascade Bulldog Rescue

I do agree with you on most of this. I've sifted through LOADS of muck to even get a small smidgen of understanding about the Olde English Bulldog breed. The first breeders I checked out (and the one I emailed) have all been labeled as designer dog breeders from my personal veiwpoint.

However, I do disagree that the real Olde English Bulldogge is what I consider a "designer breed". The two bree clubs I pointed out - the Leavitt and OEBDKC - seem to have the right ideas. Most of the breeders I've seen registered with them, IMO, are responsible breeders. They are trying to get UKC recignition and are registered by the ARBA. Now, I'm not a know-it-all about registeries, but from what I know the ARBA isn't a bad one. (Googled it and came up with this as one of many links: About Dog Registries and Kennel Clubs )

Again, most of the OEBD breeders out there are either just crossing mixes together or, if they are breeding F-whatever dogs, they are IEOBA registered or CKC dogs. *pukes* Now whenever I even see someone saying their dogs are CKC or IEOBA registered I run. Quickly.

BUT. That is just my viewpoint at the moment. I plan on doing a TON more research than what I have done at the moment and plan on contacting some of the OEBDKC breeders soon and grilling them with questions. I'll be sure to post their reponses here.
If, at any time, I feel like I am not getting satisfactory answers from then I will most definitally change my viewpoint on the issue.

I was planning on writing a longer reply, but LOST comes on in two minutes, so I must be off! LOL

[WhitsMom]

"However, I do disagree that the real Olde English Bulldogge is what I consider a "designer breed"."

I assume you are referring to what the English Bulldog was first like?

The "Olde English Bulldogge" is JUST a name given to these current mixes that breeders are "saying" are "based" on what they "think" the original Bulldog was like.

It was not called the Olde English Bulldogge way back when, which is what it sounds like you are thinking, they gave it that name now just becasue they were trying to create the old bulldogs that are since gone and changed. The original breed is the Bulldog that still exists, the form has just slightly changed over the years to what they look like now.

This is what I am trying to get across.... it is like breeding Frenchies to something like a pug today so their ears are sometimes up & sometimes down like they were at the start of the "French Bulldog Breed" and then calling it an "Olde Toy Bulldogge" ..... ie: someone just made it up.

Like with Bostons same thing, there are people who want to create a dog that "looks" more like the old first photos of Bostons, they did start as a 30 lb dog. People have also recreated these by mixing them with other breeds to make them larger and slabbed the name "Olde Boston Bulldogge" on them. There is no history with the name, they just chose something that "sounded" old & vintage.

I am not saying this to discourage your research, I just hate it when these scammers make it seem so really that people actually believe it.

Tegan

[Ritz459]

What I was going to say in my last post but I didn't as I was rushed for time might help to address your question.

I've stated before in a multitudes of designer breed debates that I wouldn't be upset about a new breed being created if it was for a purpose that another dog couldn't fill and they were actually trying to create a new breed responsibly and get it registered (among other things).

Boxadors, Labradoodles, Goldendoodles, Puggles, Maltipoos, Schnoodles, and God knows what else are all designer breeds. They aren't trying to get registered by any reputable organizations. They weren't created for any specific purpose except to make money. They aren't being bred true.

Like with Bostons same thing, there are people who want to create a dog that "looks" more like the old first photos of Bostons, they did start as a 30 lb dog. People have also recreated these by mixing them with other breeds to make them larger and slabbed the name "Olde Boston Bulldogge" on them. There is no history with the name, they just chose something that "sounded" old & vintage.

Same goes for that "breed" too, IMO. Bostons may be smaller than their ancestors, but they look mostly the same and still have the same athletic ability.
(This first link is to the "Olde Boston Bulldogge" and the next is to a purebred Boston Terrier. They look the same to me, just differen't sizes:
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Bostons are athletic and can run an agility course without any qualms. A Bulldog cannot.

The TRUE "Olde English Bulldogge" (not the English/whatever crosses or varying lines, but the original Leavitt breed - not line, breed) was created for a purpose. To re-create the 1800s Bulldog - to create a Bulldog that was athletic and looked like the old standards. I have a hard time condeming a breed that was created to bring about a more athletic, "healthier" (again, I use quotes as I know that is entirely up to a multitude of factors) bulldog.

I've met a couple of English Bulldogs that have come in for boarding at our clinic. Two of my favorite ones (Dozer and....Meiska, maybe?) were active, freindly, sweet dogs. I loved them to death and they were the loudest snorers I've ever heard. But I felt sorry for them. They had so much heart, so much "Wanna play with me?" attitude, and yet when we took them outside to play they could only stand about five minutes of it before they needed to come back inside or they would have over heated. They couldn't jump or run like they wanted to. IMO, their "bully" stature was costing them.
Now, I've met a French Bulldog that could jump straight up in the air about four feet, but he was a very non-extreame Frenchie. He was larger than most (and more proportionally built) and had longer legs.
It seems sad to me that the Bulldog's anscestors could run, jump, swim, and weren't in terrible danger of overheating, whereas today's Bulldog can't and is.

To quote an Olde English Bulldogge/Leavitt Bulldog breeder -

The Leavitt Bulldog is a working breed that does best when given a job. Make no mistake, these dogs are not healthier versions of the English Bulldog breed, as some would have you believe. They are an entirely different breed that require rigorous daily exercise, that at the very least, involves a couple long runs everyday.

This is what people normally call Olde English Bulldogges:



This is the Leavitt Bulldogge, which is the true "Olde English Bulldog". This is the breed that is recognized by the ARBA, the OEBDKC, and is trying to get UKC recignition:




Compare that to an English Bulldog:


(Those are gorgous Bulldogs, BTW. )


Here is a website that helped to clear up some stuff for me:
Olde English Bulldog History

So there is a round about way of answering your question. LOL

I am not saying this to discourage your research, I just hate it when these scammers make it seem so really that people actually believe it.

Don't worry, I'm not one to jump into anything blindly. All of the "Olde English Bulldogges" that aren't really Oldes are getting on my nerves as well.

[WhitsMom]

This just lets me know you have a lot of research to do. And it needs to be on Bulldogs & Frenchies too. Frenchies are VERY active and agile dogs. I own one, foster them, have good breeders as friends, and help run our local meetup & rescue. This is not a breed hindered in general. Now there are ones bred too short, which is what can cause issues. Breathing issues should not be an issue in a well bred dog, again things can happen, but it is not an epidemic. My frenchie doesn't even snore, unless maybe her throat is hanging over your arm.

And like I said before I grew up with Bulldogs, foster them also, help run the local rescue... I know the breed well, and with rescue we see the good and the bad in large numbers, not just a few.

I also have experience with OEB, and have been around lots of them. They still have issues. I tell people if they do not like a breed for what it is, pick another breed. It is like getting a good looking spouse but you like the look but not the rest, you can't just create a new one morphed to what you like!

The other issue with designer dogs, IS the rescue part. As an example, our group is part of the National Bulldog Rescue so we cannot take in E Bulldog mixes at all. It is hard telling all the American & OEB people that now that they are tired of their dog, or it isn't what they expected, or is is biting at their kids, that there is no where for it to go. We get a ton of purebreds as it is. I know this is an issue with many purebred rescue groups.

This just happened yesterday!

[Ritz459]

This just lets me know you have a lot of research to do.

Yes, I most certainly do, that is a fact.

I think right now I'm just trying to get one side straight and then I'll go and research it from the English Bulldog breeder's point of view. That way I can get both sides of the story and know which side is using more fiction than fact.

The other issue with designer dogs, IS the rescue part. As an example, our group is part of the National Bulldog Rescue so we cannot take in E Bulldog mixes at all.

I agree with you heavily, but if what I'm researching is indeed fact and not fiction, the Leavitt Bulldog is a purebred dog - not a mutt being bred for profit like so many other "breeds" are. However, with all of the other Bully "recreations" out there I cringe with the overflow that the rescues must be getting. I've never even thought of how the designer dogs being bred would effect breed specific rescues.

[WhitsMom]

I know with our rescue, it hurts to turn away dogs that we know have no where to go. Many of these Bulldog mixes who get displaced, have issues that we are somewhat equip for becasue of breed similarities but the other all-breed rescues often do not have the resources, space or time to bother. There are very few groups who specifically do designer type dogs. There are tons of purebred rescues and then there are those rescues that specifically do common mutts like lab mixes, etc., dogs that have little chance in a shelter becasue there are so many of them alike crammed in there and people are not beating down the door for them.

In our area, there isn't even an American Bulldog rescue, even those are rare. Our closest one is in CA somewhere.

I tell owners to search Petfinder and contact the rescue groups who have ABs listed to see if they could take another. Otherwise you see these dogs get tossed from home to home in our area on craigslist.


"the Leavitt Bulldog is a purebred dog"

This is what it says right on the original breeder's site....

" I’ve used breeds that all have old Bulldog in their background. My dogs are half English Bulldog, and the other half Bullmastiff, Pit Bull, and American Bulldog. "


Tegan

[oc_spirit]

I find it interesting how people will support the breeding down of certain breeds just because they are "purebred" and then turn their noses up when people crossbreed in an attempt to fix what has been ruined over time....

Have more to say about this but am on my way out....

[WhitsMom]

I do not support irresponsible breeding period, purebred or mutt. The basis of the breed in question is not what they want you to believe. It is not about turning your nose up. This is a breed I do know, I hope if I was trying to learn about a breed I do not know, there were people as honest in my quest.

Tegan

[Ritz459]

Originally Posted by WhitsMom

"the Leavitt Bulldog is a purebred dog"

This is what it says right on the original breeder's site....

" I’ve used breeds that all have old Bulldog in their background. My dogs are half English Bulldog, and the other half Bullmastiff, Pit Bull, and American Bulldog. "


Tegan

"Being disgusted with the health and condition of the modern day bulldog, David Leavitt of Spring Grove Pa. began creating the Olde English Bulldogge in 1971. His goal was to create a healthy, athletic bulldog, that was considered capable, but without the extreme tenacity of it’s ancestors. The dog was to have a loving disposition, but still protect it’s family if called upon. This goal was achieved by using a line breeding scheme that was developed by Ohio State University for use with cattle. The original foundation stock consisted of ½ English Bulldog, 1/6 American Bulldog, 1/6 American Pitbull Terrier, and 1/6 Bullmastiff. After many carefully planned crosses the Olde English Bulldogge emerged and began breeding true. By 1985 three true lines had been developed and the breed was considered sound, stable and well suited for modern life."

"There are plenty of breeders advertising their dogs as Olde English Bulldogges. Many of these breeders have tried to reinvent the wheel so to speak. They continue to breed back to the English Bulldog. They will also cross English Bulldogs to Pitbulls or Mastiffs and call them Olde English Bulldogges. In order to be considered a true Olde English Bulldogge, the bloodlines of a particular animal must be traceable back to the original foundation stock of the early 1970’s with NO unapproved outcrosses present in the lines."

The original article can be foune here: Scenic View Bulldogges olde english bulldogge history

IMO, saying a true Leavitt Bulldogge is a mix of Bulldog, AmBulldog, BullMastiff, and Pittie is like saying a Cattledog is a mix of Dalmation, Bullterrier, Dingo, and whatever else was used to create the breed.

I'm going to email the breeder that I quoted from to ask about the Olde English Bulldogge breed. I'll give you guys the cliff notes version of what the reply is.

I do not support irresponsible breeding period, purebred or mutt. The basis of the breed in question is not what they want you to believe. It is not about turning your nose up. This is a breed I do know, I hope if I was trying to learn about a breed I do not know, there were people as honest in my quest.

Tegan

I don't support irresponsible breeding either, whether it be purebred or mutt. That is something I fight strongly against. Most of my animals are rescues and I'm always trying to convince people to adopt rather than buy a dog from the paper or the petstore.

I do think, however, I'm starting to follow Oc's line of thinking. A breed starts out as something. It is bred into something completely different because of what was winning in the show ring. The result of that breeding made the breed into something that couldn't preform the tasks it was originally bred to do. Is it wrong to try to "recreate" what that breed used to be?

Let's just take the Border Collie for instance. What if the working Border Collie slowly died out and all that was left was the show Borders? What if those breeders decided to change the Border Collie standard and the Border Collie slowly morphed over the years into the "perfect house dog"? What if it slowly changed into a slightly smaller dog that didn't require lots of exercise, was a snap to train, good with kids, wonderful with other animals, and was cute to boot? What if that dog had no herding instinct whatsoever and was simply content to run an agility course? Would it be wrong to take that "new" Border Collie and responsibly outcross it to English and Australian Shepherds to try to bring it back to what it used to be? If you can breed a dog "down", why can't you breed it "up"?

Please understand that I am in no way putting down the Bulldog breed. I love Bulldogs. They are such sweet dogs and I love it every time one comes in for boarding.
I also understand the plight of the rescues and shelters. But if a breed is being responsibly bred, it shouldn't effect the rescues and shelters at all.

[Ritz459]

And another quote I find interesting:

"sorry i may be getting off topic, but this whole UKC thing intrigues me

let me see if i got this right, the UKC is going to recognize OEBs but only is they are from OEBKC or LBA
which pretty much means only "Leavitt's"
if this is true, isn't that being a bit selective for such a large kennel club?
that's like saying if your AB is not Scott or Johnson it's not a AB
did i miss understand?? please inform me"


"Yes, you are right, those will be the only 2 organizations recognized. Why you may ask? There are a number of reasons which I may or may not be aware of but I will give it my best shot based on what I know with a little speculation. First of all Before we were getting UKC recognized we got our name out there in big, respectable organizations such as the American Rare Breed Association. The breed was originally created by Leavitt so although a few will argue, Leavitt blood lines are the only "true" bloodlines that can be traced to the original foundation stock.

I will give much credit to some of our people showing. I am proud to say we have several Champions and even a Grand Champion now through the hard work of our people showing. The LBA have dogs that are getting into and have been weight pulling, Schutzhund and the like and day by day, more people are starting to follow. In our organization, its the same thing, more and more people are doing OB classes, showing their dogs and learning how to work them, hopefully getting some titled within a couple years. I know I am working on Beamer's weight pull title when he is old enough. You also have to look at the breeding practices of these 2 organizations.

Our two clubs applied to the UKC seperately yet the UKC said our clubs standards were close but not exactly the same and if we worked together on a united standard that we would be accepted. David Leavitt worked closely with Leo Paulding and settled on a standard that was reasonable to both clubs. Both clubs even though with past issues decided it was for the betterment of the breed that we work together and make things happen. Both of our organizations require x-rays of all breeding stock and have many other breeding regulations. I only expect our club to improve as more and more people are getting involved and getting off their lazy butts to get active with their dogs.

Even before our organizations we had the Leavitt OEB people out there working their butts off. This is taken from our website."In the early 1980's Ben and Karen Campetti from Sandisfield, Massachusetts became deeply involved in breeding Olde English Bulldogges. At this time, the Campetti's began showing the breed in Mollosser shows. Through their efforts, the Olde English Bulldogge achieved much success in the Conformation ring, and spurred the interest of many rare breed fanciers. Due to this success, many breeders became interested in producing this dog. " I could add much more to the list of why I think we deserve this but I must get back to work. Feel free to ask questions here or pm me and I will be happy to help or answer.

edit: I don't think this is like just letting the AB, Scott or Johnson type in and not letting the other in. There are actually 3-4 "types" of OEB within the Leavitt lines including a "classic" type","performance" type and "bully" type. All 3 types basically stem from different bloodlines yet they are Leavitt lines. They all are so close that they fall inside the same standard. We don't recognize other organizations as even having OEB's because the OEB was created by Leavitt and I forgot to mention earlier but our standard says a OEB must have a straight, undocked tail as well so that is the first way to recognize a Leavitt OEB. We consider all other organzations as having "Alternative Bulldogs" unless they specifically have developed a breed with a different breed name such as the "RB" which is a different breed altogether and that is exactly how they want it to be."

This is the part that I think needed a little clarification. The UKC is accepting dogs from the OEBKC/LBA because those are the only OEB's which could reasonably be considered purebred. Other registries are continually allowing ABs, EBs, and just about any other bull-breed, to be used in various breeding programs. People out there are using Sharpei's to get blue coloring, and who knows what to get Merle. Many look like large EB's, while others look like small DDB's or Mastiffs. Such wild variation is great for an organization that is a full-time business and makes money based on the number of registrations (and allowing people to do whatever they want), but does nothing for a breed where there is supposed to be consistency. Of course there are breeders who have been at this for 10-15 years and may show some consistency, but when their dogs are next to an EB/AB cross in the show ring does it really matter what the individual has done?

Also, the "types" that Matt&Jen refered to in the Leavitt OEB's are not similar to those in the AB (Johnson & Scott). These are more subtle differences that don't necessarily reproduce consistently. 2 "performance" types could produce an entire litter that some would consider "classic", and vice-versa. I'd never heard discussion of the "bully" type until recently.

Acceptance into the AKC is a whole other ball-game. They have much more stringent requirements with regards to the parent-club than the UKC. They look closely at activity of the club, committees having to do with health, rescue, history, etc. are very important to them. They want to see meeting minutes from annual or even quarterly club meetings, and open election of officials within the club. The club also needs to be a registered non-profit organization, not a fly-by-night operation that has access to a printer. Its a much longer road.

Original discussion can be found here: BulldogBreeds.com - Bulldog Breeds, Pit Bull, Bully Breeds - View topic - OEB joins the UKC

[Ritz459]

Ooooookay. After many moons, I have finally gotten a reply from the breeder I emailed. I'm going to put their reply in my own words and my questions in quotes.

The Leavitt Bulldogge is indeed a breed that is being bred true, correct? If so, for how many generations?

The true Olde English Bulldogge that are registered by the OEBKC, not the designer mixes or ones with questionable heritage, have been bred true for at least 8-10 generations. Many have 11+ generations backing them. All of the dogs registered by the OEBKC are from Leavitt's foundation stock.

What is your opinion on the IOEBA? (I'm assuming it isn't a reputable registry, but I have yet to have someone come out and tell me this.)

The IOEBA (International Olde English Bulldogge Association) is not a registery that the breeder supports. They don't verify pedigrees, therefore any papers stating that a dog is an OEB cannot be proven. Basically, any OEB that is registered by the IOEBA is as good as a mix as they cannot prove it is purebred.

Are the LBA and OEBKC trying to get UKC recognition?

The Leavitt Bulldogge Association and the OEBKC are trying to get UKC recognition. The Cainine Developmental Health and Performance Registry (CDHPR, the organization formed by the UKC to help them recognize new breeds to verify that they can be registered as pure-bred dogs) is currently reviewing their registery database. If the UKC is comfortable with the information provided, they will register the dogs from the LBA and the OEBKC as THE Olde English Bulldogges.

What were the requirements to get the Oldes registered by the ARBA?

The OEB was one of the first breeds recognized by the ARBA. Ben and Karen Campetti were very well respected breeders and earned the OEB great respect and recognition. Their efforts and their relationship with the ARBA's founders were what got the breed recognized. The ARBA won't register any OEB without it being approved by the OEBKC (and the appropriate documents).

What are the Olde breeders' goals for the breed?

The breeder directed me to the OEBKC "about us" web page, which can be found here: Olde English Bulldogge Kennel Club .::. Home of the Original Olde English Bulldogge. TShe also stated that they focus primarly on the health of their dogs: hips, immune system, any eye or skin issues as well as any possible structural issues that may be recessive in the bloodlines.

How are Oldes being proven that they can work?

After going into a speel about how Oldes shouldn't be used in protection work (or at least the OEBKC doesn't indorse using Oldes as protection dogs) for the only reason being that they are "Bulldogges", the breeder said that if breeders bred structurally sound dogs, Oldes should stay athletically fit. When I asked in greater detail about their heat sensitivity and athleticism, the breeder replied that her dogs run (thirty minute run), swim, and play outdoors in heat ranging from 25*F-95*F and they still want to go some more. She said that she has one that would prefer to just laze around, but he is fully capable of being active.

What health tests are being done on the Olde breeding stock? What health tests were required of past generations to insure the lines remain healthy?

No tests are required as of now or in the past, but the OEBKC strongly reccomends testing their dogs' hips, elbows, and for other health disorders. She said roughly 90% of Olde breeders are x-raying their dogs' hips alone.

What is being done to insure the Leavitt Bulldogges don't end up in the hands of irresponsible breeders or in a shelter?

The breeder replied with what any sane person would do to keep puppies from ending up in the shelters - they screen owners carefully, the dogs go out on contracts, and if an owner can no longer keep the dog the breeder gets it back.

The breeder that I emailed can be found here: Scenic View Bulldogges olde english bulldogge facts

Any thoughts/comments?