mini dals

[dalfriend]

I am not sure where to post this so I will post it here but if you feel that it needs to move that is fine. I wanted to know what everyone thought about this guy..I am going to let some of you post before I tell you what I think of him so you have no bias.

http://www.miniaturedalmatians.com/

[richnrissa]

This is kind of what I was referring to in the other post. Where is his documentation that he's bred out deafness and kidney problems? when he says kidney problems does that mean the stones or whatever caused by the acrid urine? If no one else has successfully bred them out, how did he?
He isnt bettering the breed, he's trying to change it. Its hard to fully judge based on a 'sales pitch' website, but most COE breeders have at least ONE page that gives you info on the needs of the breed, the downfalls (genetic possibilities, bloat, etc etc) to ensure its a good match and your an informed buyer.
I dont know anything about the ABC, other than the bad things i've heard about 'other breed registries" and their ethics.
I wont go so far as to say he's a BYB or a mill, but i am always skeptical of any deviation out of standard, the use ot 'key words" like "toy" or "teacup", and a website that is 99% sales pitch and bragging.

[Kelly]

I don't know, as far as I can see he IS being a good breeder, but I agree, what is better about that breed?

I do like this policy:

Q. How can I breed, and register my dog?
A. There is no breeding stock available. All pets must be spayed or neutered at the proper age (6-9 months). When proof of this procedure is supplied, a registration certificate from the American Breeders Club will be sent to you. Back to Top

[dalfriend]

I agree with you. There is a reason that he (if it is even true which I doubt) bred out the deafness is that these dogs arent pure dals. They are mixes. It is obvious in this picture. No one in their right mind can tell me this is a dal. He has "dilute" mini dals. There is a page & I will include it that talks about mini dals & also talks about dals that are diluted (It says they are mixed). Dals have bright black or liver spots. The spots of these mini-dals are faded (this one at the bottom is an extreme case). A breeder went to see them and she said that she thinks he is mixing them with Jack Russells. Not to mention how much he is charging people for these "mini-dals". It is outrageous! And he tries to pass them off as pure bred dals. Yeah right! I also think he is close to being a puppy mill. He always has pups for sale. He even has a "nursery". Obviously all he cares about is the money or he wouldnt be lying about them being pure bred.

Here is the link to the info on mini-dals. It is a very cool dal site.

http://www.geocities.com/~paisleydals/dalcrosses.html

[elle]

great policy here:

Q. Are there any health issues with the Miniature and Toy Dalmatians?
A. We have bred out deafness (1%), kidney problems (.5%), and aggressive behavior. All puppies have a 100% health guarantee (on delivery), however, the continued health of your pet is your responsibility.

So, basically once they are out of his hands, he doesn't care... So how has he tracked breeding out deafness and kidney problems?!

[bigdoglover]

Looks like someone with money and nothing else to do

[Kade]

The ultimate designer dog... ugh! "I want a small dog, but I want one with SPOTS."

And why is he advertising a limo service on his kennel website??? Methinks this guy is heeding the call of the almighty dollar. (Why price females differently if they're not breeding stock? Maybe there's a legit reason for that but I can't think of one.)

Teacup... breeders who use that word make me shudder.

[Dobie_dobie_doo]

My thoughts on this one for anyone considering would be RUN RUN RUN away. This guy is obviously after the almighty dollar (puppy miller anyone?) and maybe the reason he wants them spayed/neutered is so that the consumer doesn't cut into HIS market. I can't imagine he'd actually care what happened to the pups when they were out of his hands.

[flyndog]

How much does a mini dalmation cost? That looks like a pretty nice spread he's got there. Or maybe the limo service pays the bills.

[Kade]

Originally Posted by flyndog

How much does a mini dalmation cost? That looks like a pretty nice spread he's got there. Or maybe the limo service pays the bills.

There are prices on the FAQ page. I guarantee it's not the limo service paying the bills!

[richnrissa]

Q. How much are the Miniature Dalmatians?
A. Mini males start at $950.00 and Mini females start at $1500.00. Prices are determined by sex, spot pattern, and size. Prices are subject to change without notice.

Q. What are the sizes of the Toy Dalmatians?
A. The Toy Dalmatians are 8-12 pounds at maturity

so, theyre about $100 a pound, plus handling fees, shipping extra.($300)...

[flyndog]

Hmm. About $6.25 an ounce. You know, that's about the....tee hee....SPOT price of silver.

[Crossfire Bulldogs]

LOL I had with permission posted a segment on mini Bulldogs a long time ago and will post it here as well as I think it makes some excellent points. My sincere thank you to Bulldogs World for the use of parts of their writing. This could be used for just about any "new mini" out there so insert your breed where needed.

Mini *insert your breed of choice here* for sale .. we've seen the ads. But do they exist? It depends on who you ask. There are people who say this is the breed of dog they produce. They report there is a registry, a club and, depending on whose web site you visit, you can read variations of the breed standard for the Miniature *insert your breed of choice here*. These breeders report they are answering a demand for down-sized *insert your breed of choice here*, with improved health over the *insert your breed of choice here* already recognized by the AKC. (An appropriate notation due at this point is that there are significant numbers of healthy and long-lived *insert your breed of choice here* that come from well-planned and responsible breedings. It cannot be emphasized enough ..You can find many perfectly healthy *your breed here*, but you will hear these mini *your breed here* breeders try anything to make a sell. Choose your breeder carefully!!)


The AKC (American Kennel Club) has recognized Miniature Schnauzers, Miniature Dachshunds, Miniature Poodles, and Miniature Bull Terriers as accepted breeds, and has documented pedigrees for them for many generations. The breeders of the Miniature *insert your breed here* have not yet enlisted the involvement of the AKC in the monitoring of their breeding objectives. We would have to rely solely on what these breeders tell us.


We are not yet sure of the genetics that are being used to produce Miniature *your breed here* and consistency appears to be at issue. For example, on one web site, the breeder refers to her first litter as the offspring of a *your breed* male and a female of *your breed*/*smaller breed" mix. Another breeder will not reveal his formula for creating Miniature *your breed here*, for fear that it will fall into the wrong hands. There is a definite difference in the breed standard presented by each, and one has referred to the other as producing "hybrids", such as the *your breed here*/*smaller breed* cross, rather than a Miniature. One site refers to a money-back provision if the dog is found to be unshowable .. but the question remains, "Where can the public see Miniature *your breed here* shown and judged?" The breeders back yard? or there registry?


The matter is extremely confusing and would be more so to the average citizen who is new to the mechanics of dog registries.


While it's true that the *your breed* was developed over the centuries to what he is today, many loyal *your breed's fans* are not in favor of continued tampering for the purpose of creating new breeds. If the Miniature *your breed here* eventually gains recognition and acceptance by the AKC (which could be many years from now, if ever), opinions of *your breed's fans* may change by then as well. It appears the breeders of Miniature *your breed here* have much homework to do to gain our confidence. In the mean-time, I cannot offer recommendations to anyone that this would be a breed to consider. Infact, given the mixed information concerning Miniature *your breed here*, I would strongly suggest extreme caution to anyone considering this reported breed. Go to a dog shelter and adopt a dog. It will save you money and you will likely still end up with a mixed breed dog (which is what a Mini-*your breed* is, that you can feel good about because your rescued from the shelter.

[Cassiepeia]

All I can think of when I see that site, is PUPPYMILL!
I'll never understand why people want to make all these dogs as small as possible, doesn't that defeat the purpose of having that breed in the first place?

As for miniture bulldogs, Sonja.... The Australian Bulldog was supposedly created because a group of Aussie breeders wanted to breed a bulldog that was more suited to our hot climate...so they say. Personally, although I adore them and had wanted one for a long while...I believe they're just a bunch of money hungry BYB. Anyhoo....the creaters of that breed have actually started to breed a miniture Australian Bulldog. *sigh* Made my stomach turn when I first saw them advertising them.

I really wish there was no money to be made in animals. Then maybe people would leave them alone.

Oh, I know! Lets get the 'pet rock' craze going again. A rock is, of course, the perfect pet for most of these irresponsible people and breeders.

Cass.

[richnrissa]

You know, Cass, I'm just really tired of your attitude! If I want a minituare Great Dane, then thats My business. All dogs should be under 20 lbs so we can all carry them in our purses, I can barely fit her in my van and its a real drag on my lifestyle, ok?
And since I have such a big yard, I think I want a Giant Chihuahua, 100lbs minimum, because then i could have the cutest guard dog!
I mean, its MY life, I should be able to change everything around me to only MY tastes, wants and desires without petty things like ethics, morality and standards getting in the way.
And i've got four kids to put through college (god and SAT scores willing), if I need to crazily breed my dogs, and ensure i have at least 6 puppies available at all times, whats wrong with that? Do you KNOW how expensive US colleges are?
I mean, come on, Lighten up!


*TONGUE PLANTED FIRMLY IN CHEEK*