Red Bostons. What is the deal?

ambuns · 10-01-2005, 01:12 PM

So i have seen some ads for red bostons... just surfing out of curiosity. One person is selling these puppies for 500 w/out papers. and 600 with.
Can they be registered with the AKC? and if so why would the breeder charge less for unpapered? does that cost 100 dollars?
also, are they more prone to illness being red and (to my knowledge) a newer variety?
i think they look gorgeous, but i am a skeptic when it comes to dogs in designer colors.
thanks for your insight.

Kade · 10-01-2005, 01:59 PM

Brindle is an acceptable coloring in Bostons, and the "red" Bostons I saw at Google Images look like light brindles... But I question any breeder who advertises puppies for sale, and breeds for a color variety like that -- who knows what health problems they're allowing through their breeding program to intensify the red color, you know? A good breeder needs to consider all traits of the dog in correct proportion... when a breeder throws one huge factor like that out the window, you can bet they're not being terribly careful with a lot of other factors.

If you really want a "red" Boston, I would contact breeders through the parent club website and ask about a brindle. Buying an advertised puppy is often a risky move. Respectable and reputable breeders know that people who are really interested will approach them.

ambuns · 10-01-2005, 02:11 PM

thanks! yeah, i wasnt seriously considering buying one from this person. i wouldnt buy from an advertisment. i learned my lesson from that. (see my other post)

but a little more info, that will hopefully spawn more feedback:
they (these particular puppies) are registerable with the APRI. (whatever that is) and i have looked on the internet and some people have started breeding 'reds' which are really browns most the time. they have either gold or hazel eyes and are light brown to a dark chocolate brown. with or without brindling.

am i wrong to think that 600 is a lot to ask for a puppy not AKC? only APRI? is it because they are considering browns 'rare' or something.

i am a big boston enthusiast and have been wanting one for some time, but i am baffled by the 'dog of a different color'.

ambuns · 10-01-2005, 02:14 PM

oops. forgot to put in links for pics.
this isnt the actual breeder i have been speaking with. but just some pics i found for reference.

http://www.bisonusa.net/browndogs.htm

Kade · 10-01-2005, 04:42 PM

Well, depends on how you look at it, price-wise. $600 is a lot of money to spend buying a dog from a questionable breeder. But people who don't think about it will think it's a bargain, because Bostons are getting pretty popular and that usually drives the price up.

***Cassiepeia*** · 10-01-2005, 05:16 PM

There are several different colours possible in the Boston Terrier breed as far as I'm aware (red/brown/chocolate, blue, fawn, black, brindle, seal), but only Black, Brindle & Seal are acceptable colours according to the standard.
What Kade said about a breeder looking at the dog as a whole rather than an individual trait is true and you'll find most, if not all, reputable breeders will not breed the colours that are considered a 'fault'.
You could contact a few rep. breeders and ask if the colours you're interested in ever just 'pop up' in a litter though. Or look for a rescue Boston with the same colour.
I think, though, that you'll find it's byb and puppymillers who tend to turn out the majority of these dogs. They concentrate on colour and forget everything else.

Which is sad in a way (I understand why reputable breeders don't breed them though), because I love all the different colours I've seen Bostons in, too.

Cass.

Owned by Lucy · 10-01-2005, 08:07 PM

I was just disgusted by the term "feeding faucets" (i presume they were refering to the mammary glands) that was used when talking about a breeding female.

dollface · 10-05-2005, 03:03 PM

The true color of the boston is brindle, but yes black and seal.... Seal appears black but when viewed in the sun or bright light it may look red.

http://www.akc.org/breeds/boston_terrier/index.cfm

http://zooclub.biz/Boston_Terrier/

http://www.thepetprofessor.com/breed...n_terrier.aspx
olde boston bull
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/oldebostonbulldogge.htm

10-01-2005, 01:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
ambuns Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	Red Bostons. What is the deal? So i have seen some ads for red bostons... just surfing out of curiosity. One person is selling these puppies for 500 w/out papers. and 600 with. Can they be registered with the AKC? and if so why would the breeder charge less for unpapered? does that cost 100 dollars? also, are they more prone to illness being red and (to my knowledge) a newer variety? i think they look gorgeous, but i am a skeptic when it comes to dogs in designer colors. thanks for your insight.
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10-01-2005, 01:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
Kade 9 months old?! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 903 Rep Power: 89	Brindle is an acceptable coloring in Bostons, and the "red" Bostons I saw at Google Images look like light brindles... But I question any breeder who advertises puppies for sale, and breeds for a color variety like that -- who knows what health problems they're allowing through their breeding program to intensify the red color, you know? A good breeder needs to consider all traits of the dog in correct proportion... when a breeder throws one huge factor like that out the window, you can bet they're not being terribly careful with a lot of other factors. If you really want a "red" Boston, I would contact breeders through the parent club website and ask about a brindle. Buying an advertised puppy is often a risky move. Respectable and reputable breeders know that people who are really interested will approach them.
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10-01-2005, 02:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
ambuns Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	thanks! yeah, i wasnt seriously considering buying one from this person. i wouldnt buy from an advertisment. i learned my lesson from that. (see my other post) but a little more info, that will hopefully spawn more feedback: they (these particular puppies) are registerable with the APRI. (whatever that is) and i have looked on the internet and some people have started breeding 'reds' which are really browns most the time. they have either gold or hazel eyes and are light brown to a dark chocolate brown. with or without brindling. am i wrong to think that 600 is a lot to ask for a puppy not AKC? only APRI? is it because they are considering browns 'rare' or something. i am a big boston enthusiast and have been wanting one for some time, but i am baffled by the 'dog of a different color'.
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10-01-2005, 02:14 PM	#4 (permalink)
ambuns Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	oops. forgot to put in links for pics. this isnt the actual breeder i have been speaking with. but just some pics i found for reference. http://www.bisonusa.net/browndogs.htm
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10-01-2005, 04:42 PM	#5 (permalink)
Kade 9 months old?! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 903 Rep Power: 89	Well, depends on how you look at it, price-wise. $600 is a lot of money to spend buying a dog from a questionable breeder. But people who don't think about it will think it's a bargain, because Bostons are getting pretty popular and that usually drives the price up.
	__________________ "You come home, the dog throws itself at you. 'Where have you been? You've been so long. I missed you, missed you, missed you. I love you, love you, love you. What's in the bag? Something for me? Oh, let me lick your ear. Oh, let me chew your gloves. You're home!''' -- Pam Brown All About Winston

10-01-2005, 05:16 PM	#6 (permalink)
*Cassiepeia* Chihuahua Mum Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: NSW, Australia Posts: 8,281 Blog Entries: 9 Rep Power: 284	There are several different colours possible in the Boston Terrier breed as far as I'm aware (red/brown/chocolate, blue, fawn, black, brindle, seal), but only Black, Brindle & Seal are acceptable colours according to the standard. What Kade said about a breeder looking at the dog as a whole rather than an individual trait is true and you'll find most, if not all, reputable breeders will not breed the colours that are considered a 'fault'. You could contact a few rep. breeders and ask if the colours you're interested in ever just 'pop up' in a litter though. Or look for a rescue Boston with the same colour. I think, though, that you'll find it's byb and puppymillers who tend to turn out the majority of these dogs. They concentrate on colour and forget everything else. Which is sad in a way (I understand why reputable breeders don't breed them though), because I love all the different colours I've seen Bostons in, too. Cass.
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10-05-2005, 03:03 PM	#8 (permalink)
dollface 4 Boston Terriers Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canada Saskatchewan Posts: 903 Rep Power: 101	The true color of the boston is brindle, but yes black and seal.... Seal appears black but when viewed in the sun or bright light it may look red. http://www.akc.org/breeds/boston_terrier/index.cfm http://zooclub.biz/Boston_Terrier/ http://www.thepetprofessor.com/breed...n_terrier.aspx olde boston bull http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/oldebostonbulldogge.htm
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