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Old 09-27-2005, 04:09 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Hy guys my name is ann need little help with new puppy

Hello everyone,
I have just joined your forum first time i have joined a forum so
please be patient with me.
I have just got a 8 week old cavelier king charles puppy for my son
I am having a bit of trouble potty training him this is all new to me
so any advice would be much appreciated.
He seems to just poop and wee anywhere, without sounding dumb
what age do they usually start to understand.
I am with him all day and do take him into the garden where he will
relieve himself sometimes and i put newspaper near the back door
on a night when we go to bed, he does go on the newspaper to
poop but most of the time he just does it anywhere, I say no to
him but i feel his a bit young to understand.
Can anyone tell me where im going wrong.
Thanx guys and great forums Ann.
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Old 09-27-2005, 04:28 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Here is a well explained method which I agree with and recommend. I wouldn't count on reliability within that short of a time. A few dogs will learn this quickly. I've had a few like that, but I think the majority will not be this quick. Physically, it is unusual to be that well developed, not to mention, they just forget sometimes until it's too late. But stick with it. It is from another person on another message board:

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at the risk of being redundant, here is my personal method. using it i have trained two puppies to be almost 100% reliable within only about 10 days, and everyone who received these instructions from me and has stuck to them has had great success within one to two weeks.

it's all about supervision, a strict routine, consistency and lots of praise.

you get yourself a crate, a piece of paper and a pen.

anytime anything goes into your dog (food, water, treats) you note down the time, and anytime something "comes out" (regardless if t is an accident or in a "proper" place), you write down the time too.

when you bring your pup home, make it a point to take it outside every hour on the hour, and additionally each time after (a) a meal, (b) a play session and (c) a nap. each time on the way out, you give the same cue: "do you have to go outside?" or "need to go potty?" etc.

you make sure to keep the same routine every single day, from waking up in the morning, to each meal, nap times and potty breaks. the more disciplined you can be with this, the faster you will be successful. don't let up and don't skip a potty trip, even if it might be without results. do not play during potty trips, but remind the pup what the task at hand is - "get busy" or "go pee/poop" are good cues for example. bring along a very high-value treat, but keep it out of sight until the pup has finished. praise enthusiastically after the "business" is finished, and give a treat. don't do this while the pup is still peeing or pooping, or you might distract it.

after keeping notes for a few days, you will clearly see your puppy's schedule and slowly be able to eliminate some of the "extra" potty trips at times where you see they are unsuccessful.

while inside, always supervise your puppy. if you must, put a leash on and tie it to a belt loop of your pants. make it a rule that indoors your puppy is either under close supervision, or in its crate. no exceptions, ever - until you know your pup is reliably doing business outside. even if you have to go to the bathroom and don't take the pup with you, pop it in the crate for the 5 minutes you can't supervise. get a phone call that you know will take your attention away from the pup for a while - "hi, can you hold on for a sec?" and in the crate it goes.

the less accidents you let happen (yup, it's all on your head, little puppies don't do wrong, they just don't know better! ), the faster your dog will be reliable indoors.

i highly recommend to crate train, even if you plan on letting the dog sleep on your bed (or some other designated spot) later on. being familiar with spending time in a crate and behaving properly is one of the best things you can teach a dog, especially if you plan on taking him/her lots of places, get involved in dog sports and so on.
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Old 09-27-2005, 06:31 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Carrie covered it all. I just wanted to welcome you and congrats on your new dog.
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Go Carrie! Always around with the good advice. I'd follow what she outlined to the "T"! I am using these methods, but wasn't as organized as this, and it's taken a while...but they catch on quickly! Oh, and buy some Natures Miracle or another carpet cleaner that does NOT contain amonia (amonia smells like the dogs urine and can cuase future accidents). Having the right carpet cleaner will help prevent multiple accidents in the same place. And, I think somewhere on this forum there is a "sticky" about potty training...maybe look at that? Good luck!
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Big Thanx

Hy, thanx carrie your expertise is very much appreciated.
I will follow your advice and see what happens.
Just wondering going back to what i said earlier do you think lucky
that is the name of my little babe, is a bit young at 8 weeks to
understand.
Sorry if its sounds daft but i really am new to this.
Im also still having a bit of a problam with my 1 year old tabby cat
i adopted her as a kitten from the rspca and she is part of the family
we love her dearly, but she is not to impressed with the pup and
spends most of her time outside or up on my bed.
I have had to put her bowl up high because lucky just dive bombs her
and she has not eaten properly since we got him over a week ago.
I hope she adapts and does not leave home.
Thanx again carrie and everyone else,Take care Ann.
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A puppy, at 8 weeks will pick up on potty training no problem. here are a few DO NOTS that could confuse the puppy:

Do not:
Yell at the puppy when he has an accident
Rub his nose in the mess
Punish him later for pottying earlier (e.g. - yelling at him when you find a mess he made an hour ago)

If you yell at the puppy now it will make him afraid to potty period. So he'll sneak off and hide to do his business. That's not good either because you can't catch him and correct him. If you see him going in the house, let out a small "Agh!" and scoop him up and take him outside. If he manages to go out side, give him lots of praise and treats. Go inside and clean up. He gets it at 8 weeks.

The cat issue (i'm dealing with this). I don't have this solved, but here are some general things to do to help the kitty out.

give him an area that only he can get to - somewhere high, or somewhere protected with a baby gate (of course, one of my cats didn't realize he could get OVER the baby gate, so he just had to deal with finding somewhere higher than the puppy).
Buy a crate for your puppy so that the cat can have some play/exlporation time. Put the dog in the crate when the cat gets dinner. (or, take the dog out for a walk/play time when the cat eats - that's what I do.)
Tie your dog to you so that he can't get to the cats

Hopefully that helps some. If you do a search on this forum on these topics you will get lots of info.
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Hello and welcome! Looks like you've been given some awesome advice. Congrats on your new baby!
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I agree with crossfire! Sounds like you have gotten some great advice. Good luck!
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Well, that's someone else's good potty plan. I cannot take the credit for any of that. I do potty train in a similar way but never wrote down anything. I like that idea. So, I hope it helps you.

8 weeks old, for some pups might be early for understanding much or feeling much, and for some pups not. It doesn't matter, even if it's a tad bit of a head start. Get the pup thinking this way and within a week or two, if it's not already, it will begin to get the drift. They all vary in how long it takes to be reliable. I've had dogs learn very fast, within a couple of weeks and my most recent...not till he was 9 or 10 months was he really reliable. So, put on your patients hat. LOL.

Welcome and I hope you enjoy it here. Can't wait for pictures of your pup!
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Hi, Ann! I have a Cavalier as well, got him at 8 weeks.

He was not 100% consistent from the beginning, but he definitely picked up on it (and now he's a pro!). Crate training is very effective, and also, taking him outside constantly is key. You can keep an eye out for the little signals -- sniffing, etc., but honestly, just going outside a lot is the best solution. Especially before play, after play, after naps, and after eating. At first you'll think you're going crazy -- but it will smooth over in a couple of weeks, and you'll be glad you handled it early.

And "just say no" to rubbing puppy's face in it or scolding! Good luck.
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