This Can-Not Be Good

PawNclaws · 05-12-2006, 06:58 PM

Ok I read something pretty new to me, a Long Coat Weimaraner

.. I'm pretty lost at the moment because they state

Quote:

AKC registered Weims can be long or short haired, gray or blue.

Now is that right, do Weims come in long coat ?? of course these people also breed "blues".. But this got me a thinking what they were going to come up with next....

Here are some pictures from their site :
grey long coat Weims.
http://www.weimaranerdog.com/graphics/longhair.jpg
http://www.weimaranerdog.com/graphics/longsit.jpg

and here is their "blue" long coat Weim.
http://www.weimaranerdog.com/graphics/bluelong.jpg

zoe08 · 05-12-2006, 07:02 PM

I never heard of them...and looking at the blue one I certainly wouldnt think "Weimaraner"

***Cassiepeia*** · 05-12-2006, 07:06 PM

Yes they come in long coat and are accepted/recognised and able to be shown in Australia. http://www.feldjaeger.webcentral.com...0longhairs.htm

Cass.

PawNclaws · 05-12-2006, 07:24 PM

Well I took a look on the AKC breed standard and they do not accept nor reconize the long coat nor the blue (its a disqualifying fault) :

Quote:

Coat and Color
Short, smooth and sleek, solid color, in shades of mouse-gray to silver-gray, usually blending to lighter shades on the head and ears. A small white marking on the chest is permitted, but should be penalized on any other portion of the body. White spots resulting from injury should not be penalized. A distinctly long coat is a disqualification. A distinctly blue or black coat is a disqualification.

AKC Weimaraner Breed Standard
So conclution : this breeder is a ByB, and is lieing to people too..Shame , Shame on them.
I didn't know that Cass, and this is a first for me hearing about a long coat weim..

***Cassiepeia*** · 05-12-2006, 07:45 PM

Yes, long coats aren't accepted in the US but I believe like us Aussie's the UK accepts them as well. If the US breeder had imported stock from Aust. or the UK..or perhaps gained stock from another breeder who did, I see no problem with them breeding long haired Weims (no different then breeding an established but unrecognised breed), but if the type (and health of course) isn't up to scratch then I agree that they should be ashamed of themselves.

Blues on the other hand are not recognised to be shown anywhere (as is my understanding) and so finding dogs that have excellent type and health would be near impossible and the breeding of them, therefore, unethical.

Cass.

PawNclaws · 05-12-2006, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassiepeia

Yes, long coats aren't accepted in the US but I believe like us Aussie's the UK accepts them as well. If the US breeder had imported stock from Aust. or the UK..or perhaps gained stock from another breeder who did, I see no problem with them breeding long haired Weims (no different then breeding an established but unrecognised breed), but if the type (and health of course) isn't up to scratch then I agree that they should be ashamed of themselves.

Blues on the other hand are not recognised to be shown anywhere (as is my understanding) and so finding dogs that have excellent type and health would be near impossible and the breeding of them, therefore, unethical.

Cass.

Yeah I agree, if they bred from imported stock and bred for certain quilties then yeah... But these people breed blues too so thats why I said shame on them, if they were really "all for the breed" then they wouldn't breed a fault on purpose... Thanks for that info tho cass, its very interesting to know and some thing new learned..

Novel · 05-13-2006, 07:09 AM

Ok, I only skimmed this thread, but only in the US are long coats disqualified. The trait is recessive, and so many reputable breeders in the US will get a longhair on occassion, and they just ship them overseas where they can be shown. A very popular dog in the 80's had a longhaired littermate. He was #1 in the US for show rankings, and I believe his sister went to Australia to do some very awesome things as well.
Many people are upset about the longhair and blue traits being lumped together in the standard. Blue is dominant, and you always know you're going to get it when you breed, because one of the parents has to be blue, but longhair is recessive, so you may not know who you're breeding has it in their genetic makeup.
Many people who breed blues do seem to breed longhairs, but only because they are catering to someone who is buying purely on aesthetics. Too bad really. If I wanted a longhair, I would just import one back from the UK or Australia, better lines! But I wouldn't want one, their coat is similar to a brittany. Just lots of feathering, nothing like a (show) setter, which is what I would prefer if I was going to deal witha long coat. But you never know. Most breeders that have been breedign for any length of time will get a long hair, so someday, I may just have one.

Oh, and pawsnclaws, the breeder isn't lying, they would be AKC registered. Just like my Laney, you can register long hairs and blues, you just can't show them.

PawNclaws · 05-13-2006, 08:20 AM

Thanks for the info Novel.... I know they arn't lieing about them being able to be reg.(silver labs are AKC too) I know I should not of said that, but thats what I feel they are doing(about the blues anyway)...

Novel · 05-13-2006, 08:26 AM

Either way, they aren't being good for the breed. Obviously they aren't showing, and I myself feel that is absolutely necessary to stay in line with the standard. To me, they're BYBers. I do know of one breeder that breeds blues that I would not consider a BYBer, but that's one, of the possibly 100's I have investigated.
Someone that sells blue longhairs... come on now! What are you doing?

12weimgirl · 05-28-2006, 05:19 PM

My weim had a longhair in the litter and the only reason i did not get her is because you cant show them in the US.

05-12-2006, 07:06 PM	#3 (permalink)
*Cassiepeia* Chihuahua Mum Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: NSW, Australia Posts: 8,281 Blog Entries: 9 Rep Power: 284	Yes they come in long coat and are accepted/recognised and able to be shown in Australia. http://www.feldjaeger.webcentral.com...0longhairs.htm Cass.
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05-12-2006, 07:45 PM	#5 (permalink)
*Cassiepeia* Chihuahua Mum Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: NSW, Australia Posts: 8,281 Blog Entries: 9 Rep Power: 284	Yes, long coats aren't accepted in the US but I believe like us Aussie's the UK accepts them as well. If the US breeder had imported stock from Aust. or the UK..or perhaps gained stock from another breeder who did, I see no problem with them breeding long haired Weims (no different then breeding an established but unrecognised breed), but if the type (and health of course) isn't up to scratch then I agree that they should be ashamed of themselves. Blues on the other hand are not recognised to be shown anywhere (as is my understanding) and so finding dogs that have excellent type and health would be near impossible and the breeding of them, therefore, unethical. Cass.
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05-13-2006, 07:09 AM	#7 (permalink)
Novel Mush Face Lover Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 4,991 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 220	Ok, I only skimmed this thread, but only in the US are long coats disqualified. The trait is recessive, and so many reputable breeders in the US will get a longhair on occassion, and they just ship them overseas where they can be shown. A very popular dog in the 80's had a longhaired littermate. He was #1 in the US for show rankings, and I believe his sister went to Australia to do some very awesome things as well. Many people are upset about the longhair and blue traits being lumped together in the standard. Blue is dominant, and you always know you're going to get it when you breed, because one of the parents has to be blue, but longhair is recessive, so you may not know who you're breeding has it in their genetic makeup. Many people who breed blues do seem to breed longhairs, but only because they are catering to someone who is buying purely on aesthetics. Too bad really. If I wanted a longhair, I would just import one back from the UK or Australia, better lines! But I wouldn't want one, their coat is similar to a brittany. Just lots of feathering, nothing like a (show) setter, which is what I would prefer if I was going to deal witha long coat. But you never know. Most breeders that have been breedign for any length of time will get a long hair, so someday, I may just have one. Oh, and pawsnclaws, the breeder isn't lying, they would be AKC registered. Just like my Laney, you can register long hairs and blues, you just can't show them.
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05-13-2006, 08:20 AM	#8 (permalink)
PawNclaws Labrador Crazy Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: North West Posts: 1,929 Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 112	Thanks for the info Novel.... I know they arn't lieing about them being able to be reg.(silver labs are AKC too) I know I should not of said that, but thats what I feel they are doing(about the blues anyway)...
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05-13-2006, 08:26 AM	#9 (permalink)
Novel Mush Face Lover Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 4,991 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 220	Either way, they aren't being good for the breed. Obviously they aren't showing, and I myself feel that is absolutely necessary to stay in line with the standard. To me, they're BYBers. I do know of one breeder that breeds blues that I would not consider a BYBer, but that's one, of the possibly 100's I have investigated. Someone that sells blue longhairs... come on now! What are you doing?
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05-12-2006, 07:02 PM	#2 (permalink)
zoe08 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 86 Rep Power: 0	I never heard of them...and looking at the blue one I certainly wouldnt think "Weimaraner"

05-28-2006, 05:19 PM	#10 (permalink)
12weimgirl Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kentucky Posts: 539 Rep Power: 58	My weim had a longhair in the litter and the only reason i did not get her is because you cant show them in the US.

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