Breeding concerns forum, "interviews"....

[D.Schäferhund]

Hello
I had to think about that forum, and I read a lot of posts in it, what i have seen is that if somebody adds posts about a litter or pregnant dog has to answere a looong questionair about why do you want to breed what do you breed etc... and it most times goes way off topic.
The way i see a forum like that is to get help and advice, there are good sticky posts wich get the basics of difficuly at breeding covered.

Well I wouldn't want to post there about one of my litters, if i know i have to answere a page long of why's and have to state why i breed.
I think that forum is for helping others so to me it looks like they get driven away by that"attack".
Yes i know it is most times ment very well and is to prevent just variously mating dogs. i understand that. And it is good that so many people care about it....

but I sure wouldn't post anything in that forum if i knew I have to go through an interview first... Can't it be first focused on the problem??? First helping before "attacking with an questionaire"???

i like Global paw so much, because it is a place where you can express your oppinion and get advice without somebody getting nasty.
I know this is a hot toppic, breeding and uncontroled breeding, but please ......

Kat

[feinwerkbau]

The truth hurts ... it always does.

Just as prejudice and neurocism would.

I believe that given the situation of the great numbers of pet anmial over-population and the alarming rates of abandonment, a lot of passionate animal lovers would always question the true intentions of a breeder. Sometimes, the approach may seem harsh. But the reality of unscroupolous and the damage they can cause are even harsher realities.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that there's quite a fair sum that can be made from the breeding and sales of animals, and that by virture of lowering costs, the more indiscriminate the breeding, possibly, the higher the profits.

Thereagain, passion can easily turn into extremism.

[theGOOCH]

I couldn't agree more, D.Schäferhund. There are some very judgemental people on this site. It seems if you do something the majority here doesn't approve of, or your opinion differs slightly, you are roundly attacked and given the third degree. I can handle it, but I think it may turn off a lot potential members

[JackLover]

I think that the problem is that way to many people jump to conclusions, I know on another forum, I mentioned that my bitch was pregnant and i got the first degree, they didn't know if it was an accidental pregnancy or whether I was a breeder. I agree it does put off a lot of members and that's sad, I have been told what to do and what not to do by people who have no experience in my breed and who have never had a litter, its just wrong, you should only be able to post if you have experience!! Not just posting what you have heard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kade]

I see what you're saying, but the fact is that this forum may not be right for some people. Say a BYB comes in and wants to post all about breeding their malti-poo to their labradoodle so their children can experience the miracle of life. We could humor a person like that and make them feel welcome, but then what do we do when they post a request for help finding a shelter that will take four unwanted puppies? Do we continue to humor people and make them think what they're doing is right?

I know that as a relatively new member, I've had to go back and clarify more than once when someone else (however gently) pounced on something I've said. But I wouldn't want to be a contributor to a site where anything goes and people treated dogs and breeding with less respect. (And I wouldn't trust the advice I got there, either.)

I think the problem is that people are uneducated. I don't think it's wise to nurture that ignorance. A breeder who is doing so for the right reasons will have all the correct answers, and IMO, will understand why we're asking and will not mind providing them.

[JackLover]

I dont think we should humor people but we should offer help when asked for, its the way things are said thats the problem

[OrionNGaia]

Originally Posted by JackLover

I think that the problem is that way to many people jump to conclusions

I agree with you. I also believe that many people "assume" that the majority "should know" about breeding, BYB, quality dog food, keeping the dogs inside, standards, whelping, chew toys, heat cycles etc..Not True. Let me share something..now mind you, I consider myself "fairly" intelligent..sometimes too cheesy for my own good but I grew up with the belief that owning a purebread breed meant lots and lots of problems (health)- we considered them "delicados" [spanish] meaning "delicate" LOL - I believed that to own a mixed breed (mutt) was the best thing you could have - resilient, loyal and low maintenance- and let me tell you - growing up (70's) Can-O dog food was the best thing my mutt got till his old age {getting the food out of the can was another thing]

Kade - I agree with you too: However, BYB are the majority and professional/repsectable breeders may not be in some communities -When we wanted a dog, we read the newspaper. When we ask questions here (ignorant at times) - we do so because of what we have been exposed to...it may sound terrrible and boy does it make people angry here but isn't the point to educate and expose us to another viewpoint?? If a forum only tolerates a certain type of dogowner - then what is the point of trying to educate indviduals if its members 'already know?' Isn't it the goal to educate those members WHO are not as 'breed/dog educated?'Quite frankly, it defeats the purpose of a forum, IMO.

My point is that individuals, including myself, sometimes view or have viewed things differently but are willing to learn.

* I say "we" because I don't consider myself an expert

[flyndog]

Right on, Kade!

We do try to help uneducated people in that forum, but it rarely works even when we use patience. What happens is people get all fired up because irresponsible and BYB breeders refuse to become "educated".

We are a community of like-minded people. That's part of what makes a successful forum. We are very diverse. Some of us are reactionary, some of us have strong convictions, some of us are whiners, some of us are deeply religious, some of us are atheists, some of us are vegetarians, some of us are carnivores, some of us use choke chains, some of us use clickers, some of us are very tactful, some of us are very terse. But we all love dogs and want what's best for dogs.

I agree, that the more we can educate people about the needs of dogs, the better it will be for dogs. But maybe jump on people after the 4th or 5th post instead of the first one!
Kit

[JackLover]

Originally Posted by flyndog

But maybe jump on people after the 4th or 5th post instead of the first one!
Kit

I agree very well said!

[Kade]

I think a willingness to learn is key in any situation. And maybe I sound too harsh toward people who have arrived at their situations innocently. (For the record, I think owning a mixed breed dog is admirable and no less worthy than owning a purebred -- rescuing a dog and improving its life is a wonderful thing to do!)

But there have been people, and I've seen it even in my short time as a member, who profess to be proponents of a certain breed, dog lovers, etc., and use their ignorance as a crutch when they are asked to explain themselves or criticized for making XYZ choice. Those people I have no sympathy for. Someone who chooses to breed a dog should have at least a basic knowledge and understanding of dogs before they decide to create new lives. Not to have done that research is deplorable and shows a lack of respect to the animals they profess to love.

I think it's wonderful when people come to places like this to learn -- we can all stand to learn a lot from one another. But to come here and refuse to listen or learn is not, IMO, acceptable or desirous. People who just want to come talk about their "achievements" and "qualifications" (which are, too often, amateurish, money-driven, or just plain rebellious against the dog "establishment") do not impress me and, in most cases, by all rights should know better by now.

It's sad that a person would feel attacked... but sadder still that they would refuse to keep the dog's best interests at heart.

[Kade]

Sorry, I don't mean to turn this into a debate. For my part, I promise to try to be gentle even if I feel the urge to claw somebody!

[Cassiepeia]

I agree that jumping on them about it in the first reply isn't great. Giving them a few posts before we say anything is a good idea and perhaps should be made policy.

Cass.

[JackLover]

Originally Posted by Cassiepeia

I agree that jumping on them about it in the first reply isn't great. Giving them a few posts before we say anything is a good idea and perhaps should be made policy.

Cass.

i agree it would keep members here, they ask for help for their dogs this is a good thing it means they care, so we should help

[OrionNGaia]

Originally Posted by Kade

It's sad that a person would feel attacked... but sadder still that they would refuse to keep the dog's best interests at heart.

Again I agree with you but in some cases, I've seen/read where people are 'attacked' in one form or another without even attempting to answer their question. That's all.

Flyndog - Yes it is a community of like-minded people - the common goal is its success - and I understand the frustration in the attempt to educate indiviudals who are not willing to listen - but sometimes when a person tries to ask a question - the board community-like frustration erupts [first]. I welcome passionate ideas, opinions, advice but I may have trouble swallowing 'ticked of' judgements.

[Ritz459]

Originally Posted by Kade

For my part, I promise to try to be gentle even if I feel the urge to claw somebody!

lol I try to do that, but sometimes it doesn't always work well. So normally when I start getting nasty is when I'm really really annoyed, ticked, whatever. (Just ask my younger sisters. You do NOT want to mess with me when I am tired. Because when I am a crab, I am a HUGE crab.)

I agree that jumping on them about it in the first reply isn't great. Giving them a few posts before we say anything is a good idea and perhaps should be made policy.

That would be a good idea Cass.