non akc breeds

[Jamilupine]

thanks for the info everyone! A little naive sometimes...

So, AKC registration serves what purpose exactly? After we sent in papers on Lucy I realized that I didn't really know why we did it, other than to be able to say she's papered. She's spayed and won't be showed, so what's the purpose, other than bragging rights?! Coulda saved us some money I guess...but it seems like if I buy from a breeder who offers papers they are being held accountable by someone else and we are more likely to get a good dog...or is this kind of a misconception?

Elegy - wow about the pitt bulls and AKC. Not much logic there in my opinion. (on AKC's part)

[Kade]

You know, about the pit bulls... I wonder how hard the pittie people are lobbying to be accepted. (I honestly don't know.) I think it's fairly obvious that the AmStaff issue does come back to the breeders wanting to set their breed apart from APBTs to some extent -- and so, the group of breeders who wanted that (AmStaff registration) would have probably lobbied pretty extensively and jumped through all the usual hoops to have their breed accepted.

I don't mean this in any way as a slight to the UKC, but it does seem that it takes less effort on the part of the breed fanciers to get their dogs accepted (which is why there are so many more breeds that are UKC-registerable than AKC currently -- although the AKC does add breeds every year).

So it's possible that the APBT people aren't lobbying hard enough or in the right manner. To tell you the truth, maybe the AKC isn't wild about taking responsibility for the blanket label of "pit bulls" and the PR nightmare (you have to admit! Nothing negative about the dogs -- just at face value, it's a nightmare for people who love these dogs and want to promote them, at present it is certainly an uphill battle, thanks to the media circus and passionate rantings by underinformed politicians).

Jamilupine, I honestly couldn't even tell you what the purpose is. I have a feeling that registering even non-breeding stock and keeping track of medical conditions and issues has something to do with it. I mean, if I report that Winston (God forbid) got a heart murmur at 5 months, I assume that would be accessible to breeders looking at his sire as a potential stud, and might help prevent the problem being passed along.

[TribalRats]

Jamilupine, I honestly couldn't even tell you what the purpose is. I have a feeling that registering even non-breeding stock and keeping track of medical conditions and issues has something to do with it. I mean, if I report that Winston (God forbid) got a heart murmur at 5 months, I assume that would be accessible to breeders looking at his sire as a potential stud, and might help prevent the problem being passed along.

I think you are precisely right Kade.

[Jamilupine]

You know...thinking about the pitt bull stuff...I read on line that the term "pitt bull" is actually referring to a group of breeds, three, but I don't remember exactly which ones. In that case, it would make sense if the AKC didn't accept them as a breed because it isn't!? But, I can't really pretend to know all about this though because the truth is I don't. Just thought about how I'd read that and how that might be part of AKC's issue...

Yeah Kade, you make a good point about the Registering and tracking. What types of things do you report to AKC and how do you do it?

[rutylr]

Pit Bulls were reconized by AKC long ago,but then they did want the name so it was changed to American Staffordshire Terrier.Some people didn't want to changed and so they registered with UKC as Pitt bulls and AKC as Am.Staffs.They all go back to the same blood.
The pitt bull people don't want to be in AKC and they never will with that name.
I was Judging a show this weekend and talking to rare breed dog owners.Most don't want to be in AKC,but it seems that AKC is buying up all the rare breeds stud dog books.So like it or not they will some day soon be AKC registered.
Donna

[Crossfire Bulldogs]

I was Judging a show this weekend and talking to rare breed dog owners.Most don't want to be in AKC,but it seems that AKC is buying up all the rare breeds stud dog books.So like it or not they will some day soon be AKC registered.

Ohhhh how I can't stand a monopoly.

[elegy]

Originally Posted by Kade

You know, about the pit bulls... I wonder how hard the pittie people are lobbying to be accepted. (I honestly don't know.) I think it's fairly obvious that the AmStaff issue does come back to the breeders wanting to set their breed apart from APBTs to some extent -- and so, the group of breeders who wanted that (AmStaff registration) would have probably lobbied pretty extensively and jumped through all the usual hoops to have their breed accepted.

that's the thing though- there was no such breed as the amstaff until the akc renamed pit bulls and created it. they have diverged somewhat in appearance since the creation, but when the am staff was "created" they were ukc pit bulls being registered as am staffs by the akc. they reopened the registry to ukc pit bulls again in the 70s and allowed those dogs to also be registered as akc am staffs.

the whole thing is dumb, imnsho.

[Jamilupine]

Originally Posted by elegy

that's the thing though- there was no such breed as the amstaff until the akc renamed pit bulls and created it. they have diverged somewhat in appearance since the creation, but when the am staff was "created" they were ukc pit bulls being registered as am staffs by the akc. they reopened the registry to ukc pit bulls again in the 70s and allowed those dogs to also be registered as akc am staffs.

the whole thing is dumb, imnsho.

Hm, sounds dumb and a little complicated! Thanks for clearing that up for me elegy - I appreciate it.