non akc breeds

elegy · 10-04-2005, 07:36 PM

maybe this is fickle but it really bugs me that my breed, the american pit bull terrier, which is not and will never be an akc breed, is classifed in the forums in the same group as mutts and cross breeds.

my breed is terrier breed recognized by the ukc, a reputable registry, and yet pit bull posts sit side-by-side with labradoodle posts.

perhaps we could have a non-akc breed forum. my dogs aren't the only ones in this boat- there are a number of breeds that do not have and do not want akc recognition. they are not "miscell. class breeds" waiting to be officially recognized. they simply aren't akc dogs.

Crossfire Bulldogs · 10-04-2005, 07:58 PM

This is something that has been under consideration for some time now and is also something we'll be mulling over when we get ready to do some site changes. Thanks for bringing it up.

elegy · 10-04-2005, 08:02 PM

groovy. thanks crossfire.

kazkirkpatrick · 10-04-2005, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elegy

perhaps we could have a non-akc breed forum. my dogs aren't the only ones in this boat- there are a number of breeds that do not have and do not want akc recognition.

AMEN!
Some of us are fighting NOT to be included in the AKC, no offense, but its just not a registry that fits our wants and needs

Here is the list so far:
Pits (nods to elegy)
American Bulldog
Cane Corso

TribalRats · 10-04-2005, 08:26 PM

We have just recently been recognized by AKC and at that we are only FSS status so I feel you!

Crossfire Bulldogs · 10-04-2005, 08:36 PM

My own DDB just recently was recognized as FSS.

I'm well aware that there are many breeds out there that are not recognized by the American Kennel Club that are in fact recognized by other registries and we will give this some serious consideration when the time comes to do some site changes.

*Edited to add - Actually that didn't come out just right, sorry, working on my first cup of coffe.....what I meant by well aware is that I know there are some awesome breeds out there not recognized by the AKC, your starter list just a few of those Kaz and they aren't any less fantastic than those the AKC lists.

dirtmcgirt · 10-05-2005, 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kazkirkpatrick

AMEN!
Some of us are fighting NOT to be included in the AKC, no offense, but its just not a registry that fits our wants and needs

Definitely have to second this for the Cane Corso...

Raised By Wolves · 10-05-2005, 08:45 AM

Also not in the AKC group, are primative breeds such as my Catahoula Leopard Dog and Kubera's Tibetan Mastiff.

rutylr · 10-05-2005, 02:50 PM

Sometimes being AKC recognized ruins a breed.Look what happen to the border collie.They now look like aussies.I know quite a few breeders were fighting it,but it happened.
Donna

Crossfire Bulldogs · 10-05-2005, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rutylr

Sometimes being AKC recognized ruins a breed.Look what happen to the border collie.They now look like aussies.I know quite a few breeders were fighting it,but it happened.
Donna

Your soooo right! I know I'm not thrilled with my DDB being recognized. I just don't believe its the right registry for the breed.

TribalRats · 10-05-2005, 04:31 PM

I must admit I am somewhat apprihensive about the Rat Terrier being recognized also. I kind of like that they are not EVERYWHERE! They are such amazing little dogs and at such a great size I am a little worried that they will explode like the Jack did. Then you have a whole new list of problems and 10x as many BYB getting involved.

rutylr · 10-05-2005, 04:47 PM

I have a friend with Glen of Imaal's and since being AKC more and more are ending up in their rescue.
AKC is not always a good thing.
Donna

Crossfire Bulldogs · 10-05-2005, 05:23 PM

Heres my question though - Is it in fact the AKC that makes the difference on the population levels as well as the dog being bred differently in your opinions?

It seems to me that there shouldn't be an increase to the extreme and as far as the standard it would be the national club that sets that not the AKC.

TribalRats · 10-05-2005, 05:44 PM

I personally think that AKC recognition does have a large impact on a breed as far as popularity and and over populations.
I think there will be people who find out about these dogs and think, hey I can buy a couple and sell them for more because they are AKC reg and make some $.
AKC has many more televised events and is much more recognized (at least here int he states) then UKC is. So allot of people who have never laid eyes on a RT and had no idea they even existed will now see one for the very first time. They are cute, there are 2 sizes so a little something forever one and they make a great dog in any situation. Yes the exposure worries me some.
I have even run into some people who have told me that showing in UKC is like not showing at all because the only real dogs are AKC dogs. Some people are nuts.
All of this is not to say that there are not unethical and irresponsible BYB and puppy millers involved in Rats already, unfortunately there are many. I simply fear that once the general public has more exposure to these guys via televised shows and such there will be many, many more people looking to make a quick buck off the backs of this (or any other) beloved breed.

PinkMartini · 10-05-2005, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elegy

maybe this is fickle but it really bugs me that my breed, the american pit bull terrier, which is not and will never be an akc breed, is classifed in the forums in the same group as mutts and cross breeds.

my breed is terrier breed recognized by the ukc, a reputable registry, and yet pit bull posts sit side-by-side with labradoodle posts.

perhaps we could have a non-akc breed forum.

I totally agree. My ddb isn't akc reg'd (FSS reg'd though) and it bugs me that his breed is in the same forums as the 'mutts' and 'mixes' as well. I'm glad to hear that this might be changed

10-04-2005, 07:36 PM	#1 (permalink)
elegy American Pit Bull Terrier Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,073 Rep Power: 107	non akc breeds maybe this is fickle but it really bugs me that my breed, the american pit bull terrier, which is not and will never be an akc breed, is classifed in the forums in the same group as mutts and cross breeds. my breed is terrier breed recognized by the ukc, a reputable registry, and yet pit bull posts sit side-by-side with labradoodle posts. perhaps we could have a non-akc breed forum. my dogs aren't the only ones in this boat- there are a number of breeds that do not have and do not want akc recognition. they are not "miscell. class breeds" waiting to be officially recognized. they simply aren't akc dogs.
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10-04-2005, 07:58 PM	#2 (permalink)
Crossfire Bulldogs Sourmug Mom Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Snuggled Between The Snorts & Snores. Posts: 7,844 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 282	This is something that has been under consideration for some time now and is also something we'll be mulling over when we get ready to do some site changes. Thanks for bringing it up.
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10-04-2005, 08:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
elegy American Pit Bull Terrier Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,073 Rep Power: 107	groovy. thanks crossfire.
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10-04-2005, 08:26 PM	#5 (permalink)
TribalRats Take Responsibility Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Central Valley, CA Posts: 3,327 Rep Power: 143	We have just recently been recognized by AKC and at that we are only FSS status so I feel you!
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10-04-2005, 08:36 PM	#6 (permalink)
Crossfire Bulldogs Sourmug Mom Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Snuggled Between The Snorts & Snores. Posts: 7,844 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 282	My own DDB just recently was recognized as FSS. I'm well aware that there are many breeds out there that are not recognized by the American Kennel Club that are in fact recognized by other registries and we will give this some serious consideration when the time comes to do some site changes. *Edited to add - Actually that didn't come out just right, sorry, working on my first cup of coffe.....what I meant by well aware is that I know there are some awesome breeds out there not recognized by the AKC, your starter list just a few of those Kaz and they aren't any less fantastic than those the AKC lists.
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10-05-2005, 08:45 AM	#8 (permalink)
Raised By Wolves Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,523 Rep Power: 125	Also not in the AKC group, are primative breeds such as my Catahoula Leopard Dog and Kubera's Tibetan Mastiff.

10-05-2005, 02:50 PM	#9 (permalink)
rutylr Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sheboygan,WI Posts: 205 Rep Power: 63	Sometimes being AKC recognized ruins a breed.Look what happen to the border collie.They now look like aussies.I know quite a few breeders were fighting it,but it happened. Donna
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10-05-2005, 04:31 PM	#11 (permalink)
TribalRats Take Responsibility Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Central Valley, CA Posts: 3,327 Rep Power: 143	I must admit I am somewhat apprihensive about the Rat Terrier being recognized also. I kind of like that they are not EVERYWHERE! They are such amazing little dogs and at such a great size I am a little worried that they will explode like the Jack did. Then you have a whole new list of problems and 10x as many BYB getting involved.
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10-05-2005, 04:47 PM	#12 (permalink)
rutylr Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sheboygan,WI Posts: 205 Rep Power: 63	I have a friend with Glen of Imaal's and since being AKC more and more are ending up in their rescue. AKC is not always a good thing. Donna
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10-05-2005, 05:23 PM	#13 (permalink)
Crossfire Bulldogs Sourmug Mom Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Snuggled Between The Snorts & Snores. Posts: 7,844 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 282	Heres my question though - Is it in fact the AKC that makes the difference on the population levels as well as the dog being bred differently in your opinions? It seems to me that there shouldn't be an increase to the extreme and as far as the standard it would be the national club that sets that not the AKC.
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10-05-2005, 05:44 PM	#14 (permalink)
TribalRats Take Responsibility Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Central Valley, CA Posts: 3,327 Rep Power: 143	I personally think that AKC recognition does have a large impact on a breed as far as popularity and and over populations. I think there will be people who find out about these dogs and think, hey I can buy a couple and sell them for more because they are AKC reg and make some $. AKC has many more televised events and is much more recognized (at least here int he states) then UKC is. So allot of people who have never laid eyes on a RT and had no idea they even existed will now see one for the very first time. They are cute, there are 2 sizes so a little something forever one and they make a great dog in any situation. Yes the exposure worries me some. I have even run into some people who have told me that showing in UKC is like not showing at all because the only real dogs are AKC dogs. Some people are nuts. All of this is not to say that there are not unethical and irresponsible BYB and puppy millers involved in Rats already, unfortunately there are many. I simply fear that once the general public has more exposure to these guys via televised shows and such there will be many, many more people looking to make a quick buck off the backs of this (or any other) beloved breed.
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