How much for stud fees?

[Snyder]

Hi. I was wondering what to charge for a stud fee for my Parson Russel Terrier. I know stud fees can very alot depending on the breed and quality of the dog, but could some one give me a ball park figure. My PRT is pure(but has no papers) and conforms to the standard well.

[Schwe]

Originally Posted by Snyder

I know stud fees can very alot depending on the breed and quality of the dog, but could some one give me a ball park figure. My PRT is pure(but has no papers) and conforms to the standard well.

The stud fee depends on whether the dog is a good producer (producing winning puppies), a conformational champion, etc. Sometimes the owner of the stud gets pick of the litter in exchange for letting the owner of the bitch use their stud.

What do you mean conforms to the standard well? Is this a personal opinion or has the dog been judge in a show ring? Since you say no papers, I assume it has not been in the show ring.

The problem is, there are millions of dogs being killed every year in shelters. Since your dog is not registered or shown in the conformation ring, I would not put him up for stud but rather get him neutered and enjoy him as a pet and love him up. Breeding should be left to those individuals who are proving their dogs in conformatiion and work. These people would not be interested in breeding their bitch to a dog with no conformation titles no matter the stud fee because they are interested in improving the breed, not just breeding. The people who would breed to your boy are often termed "backyard breeders."

Don't get me wrong, I am in no way saying that your dog is inferior. I just feel that it would be a better idea to neuter him and love him as a pet and companion if he is not going to be shown in conformation.

[bigdoglover]

Stud fees usually match the price of one pup. However, since he is not registered, I doubt you'll be able to charge a fee. If he isn't registered, any particular reason you want to stud him out? And just out of curiosity (no flame intended), why doesn't he have papers?

[CleverCanine]

I always thought that the stud fee was the equivalent of half of the price of the pup or something like that, as bigdoglover said it could be for the price of a 1 pup?

I suppose that it is also affected by how good a producer the dog is and the overall appearance, condition and behaviour. But i could be completely wrong though

[Novel]

You've got your answer. You can't stud out an unregistered dog.

Go buy a registered dog if you truly want to do stud. Show him and finish him, have all of his health tests done, and then sit back and wait, because usually only a very few stud dogs are ever used more than 2 or 3 times in their life time. I have a prospective stud dog. He is 22 months. We still have 2 more months to go before we can have his hips X-rayed. He can't stud before that test is done. I spent over $1000 for him, I've entered him in numerous show to finish him, probably to the equivalent of $500 for show entry fees, and that doesn't include gas and travel expenses, that's probably anoth $4000 or so. Now he comes from top lines and he finished in less than 6 months of showing. Some dogs show for 2 or 3 years before they finish. I also handled him completely myself. A handler would cost you another $50 a show, and that's if you show up with him, if you have the handler keep him, those costs just keep going up. His hip x-rays will cost another $200, his DNA test was $25, etc. etc. He still needs to eat like any other dog, so there's that expense, and there's vet care, and there's grooming, etc. It never really ends.
He has had some success in his breed, and will make the Top 25 this year, hopefully the Top 10. With that record standing, we have only been contacted by two female owners that would like to breed. Since he has never produced a litter, he's not old enough yet, we've yet to see if everything works out. It may not, he may be sterile. That would be the end of the stud fee story. If things work out, the first 5 litters or so, will be a puppy from the litter, probably pick of the litter by the 5th breeding. After that we may go to the price of one puppy, i.e. $1000 for the stud. That is if the puppies that he has previously produced are growing up to be as good or better than he is. That depends alot on my choice of who I let him breed with, if I don't choose well, it reflects poorly on him and no one else asks us to stud. End of the stud fee story there too.
It really doesn't get much better than that. He may have 5 years of breeding in him, if he stays in perfect health, and I wouldn't recommend breeding more than once a month. He will still need to be neutered after everything is said and done to protect him from prostate cancer, and he still gets to live out the rest of his life on your couch, and eat your food, and see the vet, etc.
Studding dogs and raising litters is not a profit maker, it never has been, when done the RIGHT way!

[Pugdawg1]

Hmmm can't imagine paying a stud fee for a dog that doesn't even have papers. I'm sure he's a fine looking dog.. but still. I don't think you'd get much if anything.

[bigdoglover]

Again Novel, I agree. I am on the female end of the breeding, and not only is there time, effort, and expense in just FINDING the right stud, I have to provide the vet care for the female. I make absolutely NO money. By the time vet costs,and food are taken out, plus vet care and food for the pups, I'm usually in the hole. And like you said, just getting a dog finished takes time and money, too. I search long and hard for my studs, and scrutinize their papers (pedigrees) so as not to have a bad reflection on my dog, or on my kennel. Any dog with my name on the papers comes from top lines, and their temperment reflects that.

[JackLover]

[quote=Novel]You've got your answer. You can't stud out an unregistered dog[quote]

What about a breed of dog that can not be regestered?

[Novel]

[quote=JackLover][quote=Novel]You've got your answer. You can't stud out an unregistered dog

What about a breed of dog that can not be regestered?

Since we were talking about an AKC registered breed, my statement applies. If you're speaking of a breed that has not been accepted by the AKC yet, but still has a parent club and a registry, then that registries endorsement would be necessary. If it's a "breed" of dog, it has a registry somewhere. If it's a labradoodle, or some other mix that isn't a true "breed" it shouldn't be bred, for any reason!

[bigdoglover]

Well said!!

[Novel]

Thank you. I've been on a roll for about 24 hours!!! I finally turned on the A/C and I'm not seeing red as often... LOL!

[Snyder]

Thanks for all your replies. It gave me alot to think about. I'm not planning on continually studding him. It was just going to be a one time thing. One of my friends also has a PRT and asked me the other day if I would breed my PRT with theirs, as they have a few people wanting a dog. Thanks again.

[Novel]

Even if its just a one time thing, if you haven't done at least the health tests, you may help produce a litter of sick puppies, or puppies that suffer their entire lives from genetic diseases that your male may be carrying but not showing.

There are many other reasons I would not agree to breed with the friend's dog, but I'll leave at this for now.

[Pugdawg1]

A one time thing, produces dogs, that produce MORE dogs, that produce MORE dogs. A one time thing is as serious as a doing it several times, IMO. Think long and hard.

[Schwe]

As Novel said, the breeding could produce sick puppies. How about helping the individuals who would like to get a Jack find an appropriate dog from a breed rescue? Are the people interested in puppies because they like your friends' dog, or have they done their research and really want a Parson/Jack Russel Terrier? For some of them an adult or young adult dog would be better suited for their lifestyle, and a rescue can provide that.