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Old 09-11-2005, 09:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Parson russell terrier or JRT?

are they the same, i hear EVERYONE say JRT, if i was to get one would i say parson or jack russel??? it doesn'y make sense, why call it jack russell if its not in the terrier group as jack russell
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Old 09-11-2005, 10:05 PM   #2 (permalink)
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They're different.

Here in Australia, at least, both the Jack Russell Terrier and the Parson Russell Terrier are recognised and shown as different breeds.

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EDIT: We have a JRT/PRT owner here at the site called 'JackLover'. I'm sure she'll be able to fill you in a bit more. But what I wanted to add was that I think (not 100% certain) that in the UK 'Jack Russell's' are a type instead of a breed. Although I could be way off there. LOL
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Old 09-11-2005, 11:27 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I have a Parson hear in America the Jack Russel according to the Kennel club isn't really a "breed" in a way.. The Parson was really the first breed orignated by Parson Russel who thought that the show Smooth Fox Terriers that once looked a bit more like the Parson was changing so he decided to make his own breed, the Parson Russel Terrier. Later the breed started to gain populairty for their great personalities and people started breeding them to dachsunds to make a smaller dog that could fit in their saddle bags. Then creating the Jack Russel. The Jack Russel Terrier has its own club here in the US.. When the Parson was getting accepted into the AKC the stud book was only kept open for a few months versus the year or two that they are open for normally. So very few dogs got entered into the stud book. Now that tons of Parsons and "jacks" couldn't get into the AKC stud book they created their own club Jack Russel Terrier Club of America. So now the Jack Russel and the Parson Russel are really two differnt breeds.
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Please visit terrier.com and do some research on this breed. This is the Jack Russell Terrier Club of America web site. You will learn why the American Kennel Club changed the name to Parsons Russell Terrier. This is a hunting dog and the JRTCA wants to preserve, protect and "work" the Jack Russell Terrier. They don't want to breed all of the hunting instincts out of the dog like the AKC did to the Fox Terrier.
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Old 09-12-2005, 02:40 PM   #5 (permalink)
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alright i was wanting to get a jack russell because i did TONS of research on em, and i noticed that yall are right since that they're not in AKC, but in JRTCA, is a jack russell any different and what ways are they different. please tell me which i might get?
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Parson Russell or JRT

From what I have read they are the same thing. At least the way they were presented in the book "Jack Russell Terriers For Dummies."
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Old 09-12-2005, 06:27 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Here in the states the Parson and JRT are one and the same. Their name has been changed from the JRT but it is in fact the very same dog.
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Yes I was pretty sure they were the same breed just decided to change the name to parson since that is who founded the breed. They are the same and are wonderful dogs. I have 2. Rip or is 1 year and LIllie who is 9 months. If you have any questions please email me anytime tbaughman@sutliff.net .
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Old 09-17-2005, 11:18 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I've always thought of them as two different breeds. I call my dog a JRT (cross).
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The Jack/Parson Russel Terrier was named after Parson Jack Russel, the guy to first develop the breed. The two different names are just that: Two different names for the same breed. The AKC now reconizes the breed as the Parson Russel Terrier.
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They are different, the typical terrier a shortie can not be regestered here, only the taller Parsons, the Jack was around long before the Parson was bred form a fox terrier
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Jrt's And Parsons Are The Same Dog, Exception Is If You Want Your Dog In The Akc, You Register Him/her As A Parsons, Because The Will Not Accept Both Name So They Chose To Accept Parsons. Still Cool Dogs Though.
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Old 09-23-2005, 10:25 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I think what we have here is a bit of confusion because there are 3 seperate countries represented.

In America they are considered the same.

In England and Australia they're different.

In fact the dog known as the Jack Russell Terrier we have here in Aussieland was supposedly developed here (although originating in the UK), so perhaps that's a slightly different dog and there are 3 or 4 different types?

All a bit confusing.

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Old 09-24-2005, 12:38 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Here's the deal:

Parson Russell Terriers were originally bred by Parson John ("Jack") Russell. His ideal dog was basically a small, white terrier with a bit of color on the root of the tail and the ears, with long enough legs to keep up with the hounds (for fox hunting), and either smooth or broken coats. Over the last few decades, "puddins" have begun to emerge. These are basically short-legged, often prick-eared jacks. The public has been confusing these dogs, often of mixed orgin, with purebred, long-legged russells. The AKC chose to change the name to distinguish the pure Parson Russell from the Jack Russell, which was often of mixed lineage. Also, the Kennel Club in the United Kingdom, where the russell is from, refers to them as Parson Russell Terriers.

I believe Australia recognizes both Parson Russells and Jack Russells, but Jacks in Australia are the shorter-legged dogs that must be carried in saddlebags if they ever were to hunt with the hounds. I'm not entirely sure whether the FCI recognizes them as Jacks or Parsons, but the UKC recognizes Jacks, and the JRTCA, obviously, recognizes Jacks (though, if you're planning on joining a club, I'd lean towards the AKC over the JRTCA).

Hope that helped.
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I do not believe that the short-legged "Jack" is considered by the AKC to be representative of the Parson breed.

I had actually heard that the dispute came as a threat of lawsuit from the Jack Russell folks, so the AKC designated its recognized breed the Parson Russell.

Temperament and behavior-wise, I couldn't tell you the difference.
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