Why cant you house 2 male dobes ?

Dobepip · 02-07-2005, 10:41 AM

I've read on net that you cannot house 2 male dobes ? Anyone knows the reason why ??

GSD · 02-07-2005, 01:39 PM

Sure you can, as long as they get along. If not, for your safety, and the dogs, you better be able to keep them seperated at all times if they don't. Its a general rule that in pack mentality males will fight males for dominance, and females will fight females for dominance. To quote a line from Highlander, "there can be only one" alpha of each sex. Unless people are prepared for what can occur and can read their dogs, its advisable to get a male and female. There are lots of people that have dogs of the same sex living together with no problems so its not a rule written in stone. but why fight their natural instincts, get one dog, or get a male and female, but even that's not a guarentee that they'll get along. I think most people should get ONE dog until they know what they are doing, then you don't have to worry about it getting along with another dog in the house. You should be its playmate anyway, not another dog, unless of course you want a couple dogs that listen to each other and not to you.

DarknessDivine · 02-07-2005, 05:51 PM

I have 2 male Boxers..I have no problems..I also watch them so that no problems arise..I make sure there is no food to fight over, they get their own food bowls and so on. I wouldn't have it any other way myself.

doberkim · 02-07-2005, 06:55 PM

male dobermans are notoriously not tolerant of other male dogs, and ESPECIALLY other male dobermans.

for every person i know who successfully houses male dobermans together, i can name at least a handful that have had males try to KILL each other (and in some cases, almost been successful).

male dobermans plain and simple, dont appreciate other male dobes. for safety's sake, it is almost NEVER recommended to get another male doberman when there is one existing in the household already.

live with two males that have to live apart for their entire lives is not fun.

i know this intimately - i am looking for a male puppy in the future. i have an adult male that i know is good around most dogs, but i cannot control if the puppy will be male-male aggressive (and its chancey at best). even the most well bred, well behaved dog can have this problem. i have decided that despite my experience with the breed and training, that i cannot chance having my existing dog hurt if the two males decide to fight, and i dont think its fair that the dgs would have to be separate their entire lives and share my time - so its just better NOT to risk it.

oc_spirit · 02-07-2005, 07:15 PM

This isn't just the case in Dobes, but all breeds. In general opposite sexes get along better than same sexes because for each position in the pack there is always a male and a female so the dog's can coincide and be on the same level without a problem. So you have a male and female alpha, omega, and beta etc. Of course there are always exceptions to any general rule and this one in particular gets "broken" often. Even by my own dog LOL My Husky OC, is a male and his best friend Ronin is also a male Husky but they get along better than any two dogs I have met. These guys can be in the same kennel and share a raw bone together or even a pig ear (although I always make sure there are two just in case). Most dogs get unusually possesive over raw bones, even ones who have never shown any possession-aggression with their owners may growl and bite for the first time to protect their bone but not OC and Ronin. Although if any other dog were to try this with Ronin they'd get a nice set of teeth marks to show off. The dog world is truly unexplicable sometimes LOL

Cheers!

Dobepip · 02-08-2005, 12:00 AM

I have 4 dogs, 2 of them are male Dobermans, one is a male Ridgeback, one is a female German Shepherd mixed. The Ridgeback and the German Shepherd mixed are about more than one year old, and the two male Dobes are as the same age, 2 months old. Im afraid they would fight each other when they grow up...

IceyBlueSibes · 02-08-2005, 02:15 PM

You are just going to need to take extra precautions when they get older. Have them both neutered ASAP! I'm not experienced with the breed, but as OC said, it can be with any dog.. and neutering can help the situation. Just watch as they age, they're going to compete for the alpha role.

doberkim · 02-08-2005, 05:18 PM

dobepip, i would SERIOUSLY worry about two male siblings that you keep together.

what breeder sold you two male siblings, much less into a household that already has a male dog?

i would seriously neuter them ASAP, and while its not a pleasant idea, i would consider rehoming at leat one of the boys. its a VERY real risk, and dobermans can and will fight to the death if given the option. unfortunately, i can envision many problems in you rhousehold with THREE male dogs, especially when two are siblings.

GSD · 02-08-2005, 06:40 PM

with the dogs you have already, and having two males from the same litter, i would follow doberkims advice and try to rehome one of the males. Chances are you're setting yourself up for some pretty hairy situations when they start to mature.

Dobepip · 02-11-2005, 11:58 PM

The pic of the 2 dobermans

I cannot neuter them, thats so cruel... and as I love them very much, I wont rehome them, I will keep them... and I will try my best to control them.

***Cassiepeia*** · 02-12-2005, 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dobepip

The pic of the 2 dobermans

I cannot neuter them, thats so cruel... and as I love them very much, I wont rehome them, I will keep them... and I will try my best to control them.

Dogs don't care. It's only us humans who worry about whether he'll miss his.. ummm... "tackle". I'm worried that if you think having a dog spayed or neutered is cruel, then your other dogs won't be either. Is that right? If it is....
What is going to happen when your female comes into heat? You'll have three intact male dogs in the house as well.

Neutering isn't cruel, it's responsible and can help prevent a number of problems (especially in a multi dog household).

Some sites for you...
http://www.horshamvet.com/page22.html
http://www.animalforum.com/gwhyspay.htm
http://www.doggiedoor.com/tobreed.shtml
http://espn.go.com/outdoors/sporting...neuter_JL.html

BTW... your pups are adorable. Any pictures of your other two you can post?

Cass.

Dobepip · 02-12-2005, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassiepeia

BTW... your pups are adorable. Any pictures of your other two you can post?

I took this pic 5 or 6 days ago, when these puppies were borned, she produced 9 puppies:

I didnt count these puppies because I will give them to my friends 2 months later, I cannot keep them...

And here is the pic of the Ridgeback:

elegy · 02-12-2005, 05:07 AM

why is neutering cruel? if it is your best chance to keep them together peacefully, wouldn't it be more cruel to leave them intact and increase their chances of fighting to the point of severe injury and even death?

neuter the dogs. they won't miss their balls. i promise.

i would suggest you never ever leave them alone together unsupervised as they get older.

doberkim · 02-12-2005, 06:00 AM

dont feed the troll guys. did you catch that his female ALREADY had a litter?

i am sorry - you are an irresponsible dog owner. you have 4 intact animals, a mixed breed that already had a litter (you seem so nonchalant about that). i can guarantee whomever sold you your BYB dobermans isnt a responsible breeder, and i can imagine in the future at least 2 of your dogs will fight to the death.

this isnt me being rude - this is the honest truth.

and at least get your poor bitch a whelping box.

im done with you - for all intents and purposes, you are a troll. you ask questions and refuse to listen to the advice. your dobermans WILL fight in the future, with either their littermate or your other male. that i can almost guarantee you.

***Cassiepeia*** · 02-12-2005, 07:16 AM

Well firstly, your dogs are adorable.. all of them. I love dogs dearly and no matter what they are or who owns them, I just think they're fantastic. So I had to mention it.

I am concerned that your bitch has already had a litter. That's a problem. Not this litter, since it has already been born.. what's done is done. So good luck with all the puppies.
But you can't expect her to do that every season? You mentioned cruelty earlier (in regards to neutering) well I think forcing (yes, she has no choice because she is in a situation where she is housed with an intact dog (soon to be 3 adult intact dogs) and will be bred by these dogs every single time unless you actively stop it) this bitch to have pups every season is far more cruel than taking them for a trip to the vet to be spayed and neutered (which, if you can't afford you shouldn't have them in the first place).
Pregnancy in any animal is such a stressful thing to go through and to put them through this unnecessarily is most definately cruel.

I'm sorry, but I agree with doberkim. If you're not going to take our advice, which given your unconcerned attitude seems likely. Then I no longer feel the need to post here.
Please at least read the sites I gave in my last post and think about what you're doing. Talk to your dogs vet about it. Put your dogs first.

Cass.

02-07-2005, 10:41 AM	#1 (permalink)
Dobepip Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	Why cant you house 2 male dobes ? I've read on net that you cannot house 2 male dobes ? Anyone knows the reason why ??
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02-07-2005, 01:39 PM	#2 (permalink)
GSD Herding dogs Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: WI Posts: 1,133 Rep Power: 138	Sure you can, as long as they get along. If not, for your safety, and the dogs, you better be able to keep them seperated at all times if they don't. Its a general rule that in pack mentality males will fight males for dominance, and females will fight females for dominance. To quote a line from Highlander, "there can be only one" alpha of each sex. Unless people are prepared for what can occur and can read their dogs, its advisable to get a male and female. There are lots of people that have dogs of the same sex living together with no problems so its not a rule written in stone. but why fight their natural instincts, get one dog, or get a male and female, but even that's not a guarentee that they'll get along. I think most people should get ONE dog until they know what they are doing, then you don't have to worry about it getting along with another dog in the house. You should be its playmate anyway, not another dog, unless of course you want a couple dogs that listen to each other and not to you.
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DarknessDivine Boxer Mom Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Louisville,Ky Posts: 1,239 Rep Power: 103	I have 2 male Boxers..I have no problems..I also watch them so that no problems arise..I make sure there is no food to fight over, they get their own food bowls and so on. I wouldn't have it any other way myself.
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02-07-2005, 06:55 PM	#4 (permalink)
doberkim doberslave Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 830 Rep Power: 103	male dobermans are notoriously not tolerant of other male dogs, and ESPECIALLY other male dobermans. for every person i know who successfully houses male dobermans together, i can name at least a handful that have had males try to KILL each other (and in some cases, almost been successful). male dobermans plain and simple, dont appreciate other male dobes. for safety's sake, it is almost NEVER recommended to get another male doberman when there is one existing in the household already. live with two males that have to live apart for their entire lives is not fun. i know this intimately - i am looking for a male puppy in the future. i have an adult male that i know is good around most dogs, but i cannot control if the puppy will be male-male aggressive (and its chancey at best). even the most well bred, well behaved dog can have this problem. i have decided that despite my experience with the breed and training, that i cannot chance having my existing dog hurt if the two males decide to fight, and i dont think its fair that the dgs would have to be separate their entire lives and share my time - so its just better NOT to risk it.
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02-07-2005, 07:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
oc_spirit Snow Girl Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,612 Rep Power: 144	This isn't just the case in Dobes, but all breeds. In general opposite sexes get along better than same sexes because for each position in the pack there is always a male and a female so the dog's can coincide and be on the same level without a problem. So you have a male and female alpha, omega, and beta etc. Of course there are always exceptions to any general rule and this one in particular gets "broken" often. Even by my own dog LOL My Husky OC, is a male and his best friend Ronin is also a male Husky but they get along better than any two dogs I have met. These guys can be in the same kennel and share a raw bone together or even a pig ear (although I always make sure there are two just in case). Most dogs get unusually possesive over raw bones, even ones who have never shown any possession-aggression with their owners may growl and bite for the first time to protect their bone but not OC and Ronin. Although if any other dog were to try this with Ronin they'd get a nice set of teeth marks to show off. The dog world is truly unexplicable sometimes LOL Cheers!
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Dobepip Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	I have 4 dogs, 2 of them are male Dobermans, one is a male Ridgeback, one is a female German Shepherd mixed. The Ridgeback and the German Shepherd mixed are about more than one year old, and the two male Dobes are as the same age, 2 months old. Im afraid they would fight each other when they grow up...
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02-08-2005, 02:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
IceyBlueSibes Eyes = Mirror to the soul Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Jupiter, Fla. Posts: 7,754 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 272	You are just going to need to take extra precautions when they get older. Have them both neutered ASAP! I'm not experienced with the breed, but as OC said, it can be with any dog.. and neutering can help the situation. Just watch as they age, they're going to compete for the alpha role.
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02-08-2005, 05:18 PM	#8 (permalink)
doberkim doberslave Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 830 Rep Power: 103	dobepip, i would SERIOUSLY worry about two male siblings that you keep together. what breeder sold you two male siblings, much less into a household that already has a male dog? i would seriously neuter them ASAP, and while its not a pleasant idea, i would consider rehoming at leat one of the boys. its a VERY real risk, and dobermans can and will fight to the death if given the option. unfortunately, i can envision many problems in you rhousehold with THREE male dogs, especially when two are siblings.
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02-08-2005, 06:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
GSD Herding dogs Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: WI Posts: 1,133 Rep Power: 138	with the dogs you have already, and having two males from the same litter, i would follow doberkims advice and try to rehome one of the males. Chances are you're setting yourself up for some pretty hairy situations when they start to mature.

02-11-2005, 11:58 PM	#10 (permalink)
Dobepip Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	The pic of the 2 dobermans I cannot neuter them, thats so cruel... and as I love them very much, I wont rehome them, I will keep them... and I will try my best to control them.
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elegy Pit Bull Junky Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,073 Rep Power: 109	why is neutering cruel? if it is your best chance to keep them together peacefully, wouldn't it be more cruel to leave them intact and increase their chances of fighting to the point of severe injury and even death? neuter the dogs. they won't miss their balls. i promise. i would suggest you never ever leave them alone together unsupervised as they get older.
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02-12-2005, 06:00 AM	#14 (permalink)
doberkim doberslave Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 830 Rep Power: 103	dont feed the troll guys. did you catch that his female ALREADY had a litter? i am sorry - you are an irresponsible dog owner. you have 4 intact animals, a mixed breed that already had a litter (you seem so nonchalant about that). i can guarantee whomever sold you your BYB dobermans isnt a responsible breeder, and i can imagine in the future at least 2 of your dogs will fight to the death. this isnt me being rude - this is the honest truth. and at least get your poor bitch a whelping box. im done with you - for all intents and purposes, you are a troll. you ask questions and refuse to listen to the advice. your dobermans WILL fight in the future, with either their littermate or your other male. that i can almost guarantee you.
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02-12-2005, 07:16 AM	#15 (permalink)
*Cassiepeia* Chihuahua Mum Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: NSW, Australia Posts: 8,281 Blog Entries: 9 Rep Power: 284	Well firstly, your dogs are adorable.. all of them. I love dogs dearly and no matter what they are or who owns them, I just think they're fantastic. So I had to mention it. I am concerned that your bitch has already had a litter. That's a problem. Not this litter, since it has already been born.. what's done is done. So good luck with all the puppies. But you can't expect her to do that every season? You mentioned cruelty earlier (in regards to neutering) well I think forcing (yes, she has no choice because she is in a situation where she is housed with an intact dog (soon to be 3 adult intact dogs) and will be bred by these dogs every single time unless you actively stop it) this bitch to have pups every season is far more cruel than taking them for a trip to the vet to be spayed and neutered (which, if you can't afford you shouldn't have them in the first place). Pregnancy in any animal is such a stressful thing to go through and to put them through this unnecessarily is most definately cruel. I'm sorry, but I agree with doberkim. If you're not going to take our advice, which given your unconcerned attitude seems likely. Then I no longer feel the need to post here. Please at least read the sites I gave in my last post and think about what you're doing. Talk to your dogs vet about it. Put your dogs first. Cass.

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