What Makes a good Breader

[abbulldog]

What makes a good American Bulldog Breeder ?
How do you know that what they are telling you is so?
When you go get your dog , what should you look for?
I have read the books
I have read the Magazines
I looked everywhere so what do you all think?
Now What about mixes? What about the rejects of breeders litters ? What about Diet , what makes a good dog owner.
And who are you to tell me?
Is your Dog titled? Are you a breeder? Whats your Experiance with dogs/The breed (American Bulldog) , where did you go to school , where do you get your info?
Lots of questions in this post huh?
Want to know why?
I am the owner Danny , From Chicago who ownes Doezer the American Bulldog, ( Who is a hybrid) From the SureGrip line and Bred by (aka Puppy mill lol) Dunn Brokus Kennels. I was not a member of the fourm when I heard about the post made insulting my dog. I am not here to start that post over just telling you people who I am. I am asking all these questions becasue I want to know if I have done something horribly wrong! Becasue if I have then , I have to get ahold of all the Rescues and non kill dog pounds , and tell them to stop there efforts. I bought doezer for under 700.00 and that was a deal for me , becasue of the understanding of the wonderful kennel I went through, now I know that there are some people who dont agree with my kennels way of breeding, thats fine , thank you for your concern , but I will say for those who make it out to the kennel to see it you will not be disappointed! I love my dog he is a great dog (ab or not) He is always happy wanting to play and ready to be a great pet , he has amazing strength , good size and he is cute as a button. Now as far as other bulldogs , he is my 1st not my last please help me find a better breeder! I will be getting another one (more than likely Jonson type) Since all the people who posted my breeder is a mill I would love to hear from them who is better I will pay any cost (money is no object for me) and travel not a problem, I will go around the world . I just want the best breeder from honest qualified people who know this breed. I dont know if Dunn Brokus is a good kennel but I do know there great people , honnest and open ( she didnt sell me the dog , or lie about the dog , she told me the truth) I was changing jobs and didnt have all the funds and she worked with me on that too. I dont know if anyone is looking out there but you can see the genes are good and she is nice , the size of her kennel is a massive and Gus is the best looking dog I have even seen in my life (in person pics are no comparison) please do look into her work further! Thank you all for the nice comments about my dog , even tho I dont agree with what people said , I welcome and appreciate all opinions good or bad.
Thanks Danny!

[Xander's Pa]

Danny,

Don't you think that, for example, in the bull mastiff breed, he has 14 bitches and at least 25 litters a year , is a little excessive? As for the bulldogs, 6 bitches and at least 10 litters a year seems a little bit much too!

They are definitely breeding for cash and not for the betterment of the breed. Take for example, our breeder, where the bitches breed no more than one litter a year, and each dog is sold with a show or pet quality clause(breeding/non-breeding stock). Her dogs are Schutzhund titled, and health tested. Finding her was next to impossible as she does not advertise her dogs.

I can only imagine how many of their, Dunn Brokus kennels, dogs end up in a pound. Our Doberman breeder, if for any reason, will take back the dog and place it for us, if we can't keep him. She also, with certain highly energised dogs, adds a clause in the contract insisting that you take puppy training classes and basic obedience, or she will take the dog back!

I'd say you're kennel may be a step above the average mill, but on par with the back yard breeder. I'm not one who cares about winning shows, I am, however, concerned with a Schutzhund title, and acquiring a dog that conforms to his breed, after all, you want a specific breed because of temperament and look, and if your dog fails to make the grade, disappointment ensues, and a trip to the pound almost always becomes inevitable.

Concluding my post I'd have to say that your kennel of choice is over breeding his females to make money. They don't mention how many males they have, who is siring these litters? In the end it's your choice, but keep in mind, all the dogs that end up in pounds every year due to over/careless breeding, the dogs that end up destroyed due to illness from careless breeding and improper health testing. The link that I have provided below may help clear up a few things, the most important part about being a responsible breeder is caring about each dog, not litter, each dog that is born.

http://www.dog-play.com/ethics.html

Sincerely,
JD.

[Schwe]

Originally Posted by abbulldog

was not a member of the fourm when I heard about the post made insulting my dog.

ok, let's make this clear... nobody insulted your dog. Please go read the thread carefully.

As for my opinion, I started a new thread like I promised on the topic, please feel free to see my opinions there.

http://www.globalpaw.com/thread5806.html

[Schwe]

As for mixed breeds and pet-quality puppies in a litter (not rejects), I believe those have a place with people who are just looking for a pet and companion. Or, a dog that they would just like to do some local obedience / agility with. The problem, is with the number of litters the breeder produces, how many of those dogs were placed with the security that they have the least possible chance of not working out with the family? With so many litters and so many homes to find for them, how many will end up in a shelter? The thing that is of most concern is that in the end, what breeder is going to contribute to the population of dogs in shelters, and what breeder is going to try their hardest to place each and every one of their puppies in homes that are a perfect match?

If you looked in the thread in question, you would see that I own an American Bulldog and train with her in Schutzhund and Agility. She is going to trial for her BH at our club's next trial and will begin competing in Agility within the next couple of months, depending on when the next Agility Trial in my area is.

[Xander's Pa]

As for mixed breeds and pet-quality puppies in a litter (not rejects), I believe those have a place with people who are just looking for a pet and companion.

As for the mixed breeds, start with the rescues and local pounds, don't support pet shops. As for 'Pet Quality non-breeding stock', breeders will always have a reduced price and a, non-breeding/obligation to spay/neuter clause in the contract.

[Schwe]

Xander's Pa, I hope I did not come across that I was supporting breeders of Doodles or other designer mutts! Definitely check out a shelter if you are interested in getting a new companion! However, some people would like to know where their dog came from and its history, knowing what health risks are and are not present in the dog's lineage. I think that shelters are WONDERFUL, but a person should also not feel guilty about going to a breeder for a pet-quality puppy from a RESPONSIBLE breeder.

[Xander's Pa]

Schwe,

No you did not, I was just adding to your post, that's all. No one should ever feel guilty about the choices you make, they are, after all, your choices based on your experience.

[Dixie Hound]

Take for example, our breeder, where the bitches breed no more than one litter a year, and each dog is sold with a show or pet quality clause(breeding/non-breeding stock). Her dogs are Schutzhund titled, and health tested. Finding her was next to impossible as she does not advertise her dogs.

Could you prove this? I would like it, if you could PM me with this persons info, so I could talk to her about her Schutzhund titles, dogs lines, where they came from and how old they are.

I mean lets face it, with out proof talk it cheap. Any one could say any thing on the internet. You got to read about Doesers kennels, now lets find out some facts from the breeder about your dogs kennels. Would that be okay?

I'm not one who cares about winning shows, I am, however, concerned with a Schutzhund title

Ummmmm?

Dave.

[Xander's Pa]

Ummmmm?

Meaning, I am interested in Schutzhund, that's all.

You could PM her if you like, but as I said she does not advertise, neither
via newspaper or internet, Sorry! Read my post, I was neither aggressive or condescending, I merely stated an opinion, you have yours, I have mine, I'll respect yours, if you respect mine.

You don't find it alarming the amount of litters they have per year?


JD

[Dixie Hound]

You could PM her if you like, but as I said she does not advertise

I understand.

You don't find it alarming the amount of litters they have per year?

It be truth full with you. I dont know. Outside of the over population of dogs, what else is bad about it? I am not being a jurk, I really dont know. His there health risks invalved with the pups or the bitches?

O, by the way. You will have to ask my buddy Danny in Chicago when he reposts, but, Im pretty sure that the only male they have is Gus. I think they only have one male for all the bitches.

Dave.

[Schwe]

Originally Posted by Dixie Hound

His there health risks invalved with the pups or the bitches?

The females need a rest period of 1 or 2 heat cycles between litters so that their bodies can recover from the stress of having a litter. For the puppies, the risk I would be most concerned with is that they all find proper homes.

Originally Posted by Dixie Hound

Outside of the over population of dogs, what else is bad about it?

hmm... the overpopulation of dogs is a VERY big issue. Millions of dogs are killed every year because there simply aren't enough homes available for them. They are healthy dogs with nothing wrong with them other than the fact that they're homeless.

According to statistics, between 11,000 and 16,000 pets are euthanized every day simply because they are homeless. That means an animal in a shelter is killed every 1.5 seconds.

Only one animal in 10 born in the U.S. gets a good home that lasts a lifetime.

I find that to be tragic, don't you?

[rottnpagan]

Originally Posted by abbulldog

I dont know if Dunn Brokus is a good kennel

This is the kennel you bought your dog from, yes? Did you not do your own research about the kennel? Speak to the AKC (or governing registry, I think in this case is the UKC, right, Lesya?) speak to a breed parent club. Ask questions, ask to see what titles are worked for, and go over the pedigree, for the past generations. Go through the OFA database, CERF clearances etc.

If you can answer to me that you DID all of that, you should be able to say whether or not that kennel is a good kennel. Not a 'I don't know' kind of answer, IMO.

[Schwe]

American Bulldogs are registered under the UKC, NKC, ABRA or ABA.

UKC = United Kennel Club
NKC = National Kennel Club
ABRA = American Bulldog Registry & Archives
ABA = American Bulldog Association

[rottnpagan]

Originally Posted by Schwe

American Bulldogs are registered under the UKC, NKC, ABRA or ABA.

UKC = United Kennel Club
NKC = National Kennel Club
ABRA = American Bulldog Registry & Archives
ABA = American Bulldog Association

Yeah, I knew that they weren't under the AKC yet... and was fairly certain of the UKC, but, heh, they're not my breed. ::grin::

[Schwe]

YET?! Hopefully NEVER!!!

ok, I'll calm down, LOL... but the majority of AB people do NOT want them to be ruined... err, I mean recognized by the AKC

That's a whole other can of worms, though!