Sitting heel infront or on left side?

kittykatt · 08-23-2005, 12:21 PM

I am just reading a book called Schutzhund, and reading the part of Obedience bit of having their dog down from walk and then when handler is still he is waiting for the judges command to call the dog to sit infront of the handler.. I was taught for the dog to sit on my left hand side either coming around me or the dog turns around quick on the left hand side... is the front part something they have to do in these competitions?

***Carrie*** · 08-23-2005, 06:01 PM

When you give your dog the recall command, he is to come and sit as close to you and in front of you (facing you) as he can. (without touching you) When the command to heel is given, you then give your dog a command to come around and sit at your left side. I use the word, "place" because I want a distinction between heel and sitting at my side at heel. Heel for me is walking. Place, is sitting in his place along side me.

bigdoglover · 08-23-2005, 06:19 PM

I agree with Carrie, I have a SchH II titled female, and that is how it works. It comes into play when you have them retrieve an object (later in training) and they bring it to you, sitting in front of you until you take the object from them. It's usually a wooden dumbell, but I use balls, kongs, etc. Then the 'heel' command is given and they come around to your left side.

Carrie, I like the 'place' command, but since my girl came already trained, the command for heeling while walking or standing is the same.

***Carrie*** · 08-23-2005, 11:31 PM

Lyric was already trained too. After he sat in front, I'd say "heel" and he'd come around and sit next to me. I just changed it in the last week. I'd say, "heel" and then "place" and use my finger that I point for him to go around and little wrist action is all I use. Now, I've eliminated the word, "heel" and just say "place" and he's got it. He's quick though to catch my meaning. If he sits crooked, I say, "place" or "get in your PLACE" just to see if he can get it when I use a whole sentence to muddle him up a bit. And he is learning to wiggle his butt till he straightens out. LOL. I love it when I can say a whole sentence and he can pick out the command word... just a little trick for fun, an experiment. I don't recommend it in general unless the dog's got the skill down pat. LOL.

kittykatt · 08-24-2005, 04:45 AM

Thanks girls, I am mainly interested in Tracking but anything might come up if I can learn and finding a will to do it

I guess I never got that far with my GSD girl who diead at 5 month when hitting by a car, she got up a hare and she was ont he "right"track of becoming a great tracker already...

I have hard time to forget her ( I dont mean forget as in totally but you know... letting her be

) But one day I will do it again.

bigdoglover · 08-24-2005, 06:29 AM

good luck with your tracking....it's fun watching a dog on scent and really working!!

Carrie, I take it Lyric was trained in English? Elite was trained in German, so I had to learn all of the German commands. However, "lass es" is German for "leave it", but she responds to the English command instead of the German one. LOL....She is really great, though and I wouldn't trade her for the world!!

***Carrie*** · 08-24-2005, 09:29 AM

Yes, he speaks English. I do use platz, as I'm introducing him (so many other things to learn) to dropping quickly into a down. So, I will use platz for that and down for regular lie down, where he is so far taking his sweet time about it....gotta get that clicker going more. LOL.

I am German, took a little in school, but was married to a Czech for 21 years so I know more of that language. Lyric does know some swear words in Czech and he knows "be careful" in Czech and "eat" in Czech baby talk. Some Czech praises come out of my mouth from time to time without translating in my brain first. Funny.

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However, "lass es" is German for "leave it", but she responds to the English command instead of the German one. LOL....

German is so like English, she probably can understand one and still get the other. She sounds like my kids. They learned the Czech language when they were very young. When my daughter was about 11 or 12 (pre-teen, rebellous stage) my husband would say something to her in Czech and she'd answer him in English....refusing to speak Czech. Brat. LOL.

kittykatt · 08-24-2005, 04:08 PM

Thats funny, in Swedish we use "plats" for down

lol..
Sitt=sit, plats=down, hit=come here,

Do you have a fast word for here, or is it only here or come here?

poodlesmom · 08-24-2005, 04:39 PM

For recall I use "come" and they come & sit directly in front facing me. When I want them to then finish & move to a heel position, I say "heel back". I use "heel" when walking. I also use "heel" in an exercise where I will have them on a sit/stay and take a couple of giant steps forward or to the left or behind them and then tell them to "heel" and they will come & sit on my left in position.

GSD · 08-25-2005, 10:19 AM

Heel is a command that gives what postition the dog should be in. I teach it first by having them come to my side and sit in perfect heel postition, I use German for this. Once she can find the position and watch me, then movement is added, this is also heeling position. when I stop she stops and sits unless I give a down or stand command. I have no need to for different commands for heeling because heeling is a postion, not an act.

kittykatt · 08-25-2005, 04:11 PM

GSD, I never thought about that.. you are right now when I am thinking about it.. I always thought it was an act, you know "doing" something, but its not, it where the dog is.
Thanks for clearing that one up

Schwe · 08-25-2005, 04:24 PM

GSD, I agree about the heel command being a position.. The way I teach it, the dog must be in the position no matter where I move. I pivot left, right, back up, move forward, walk in a circle in either direction, the dog better be at my left side, looking up at me!

kazkirkpatrick · 08-25-2005, 05:24 PM

Rexie isnt in schH training of any variety but here is what she does
"come" - come to me and sit down in front of me
"swing" - from the finished come position, go into a heel position by going left
"around" - from the finished come position, go into a heel position by going around me to the right
"heel"- no matter where you are (already in the heel position, on the other side of the yard, in front of me) go into the heel position with the intent of movement. For example, Im walking across the yard, she is on the other side, I say heel, she runs over next to me and walks on my left at my pace.

She is a stubborn brat about "swing" as she finds it difficult to turn around in a small area! She is very good with the rest, excellent with come.

***Carrie*** · 08-26-2005, 08:12 AM

I tend to agree too with you GSD. That's the way I've always done it before, but when I have been taking Lyric to school lately, that's what the trainer there does and when her little Aussie (who's still learning) gets into an aproximate heel position, she says, "place" and he scoots his butt straighter. But I know what you mean....heel is "at your heel" whether you're moving or standing still.

When you are standing still and then resume walking, do you again say, "heel?" Or "walkieeeeeeeees?" LOL. Or do you just walk and the dog walks at your heel? I've always, said it again. But then I'm afraid the dog will think it is associated with not only being in that position, but with walking (when we're walking) and then with being still (when he's sitting). Well, obviously it's not confusing because that's how they do it normally. But, in a way, I like the two commands, one for walking while at heel and one for sitting while at heel. I mean...theres the position (heel) but there's also movement sometimes and sitting sometimes with the heel. Hmmmm....can't make up my mind.

GSD · 08-26-2005, 11:46 AM

Right now i'm training sits and stands in motion. she downs in motion really well, but the others are a little more fun. We're still not perfect in our heeling so when I stop and she sits in position, i'll give a good fuss, and then another fuss command when I start moving. I like the place command, or something like it, I need to find one myself for when she's a little crooked and I want her to swing her but in, not do a half flip finish back to position again. She knows what to do, or at least what she needs to do to correct her self, so I don't want to make it too confusing, but lately she's been doing some minor corrections without having to break position and jump in the air and swing her butt around. sometimes a little subtle butt wiggle back to position would be nice. (off topic, but when isn't a little butt wiggle nice

).

08-23-2005, 12:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
kittykatt Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 31 Rep Power: 0	Sitting heel infront or on left side? I am just reading a book called Schutzhund, and reading the part of Obedience bit of having their dog down from walk and then when handler is still he is waiting for the judges command to call the dog to sit infront of the handler.. I was taught for the dog to sit on my left hand side either coming around me or the dog turns around quick on the left hand side... is the front part something they have to do in these competitions?
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08-23-2005, 06:01 PM	#2 (permalink)
*Carrie* Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: north panhandle of Idaho Posts: 7,415 Rep Power: 285	When you give your dog the recall command, he is to come and sit as close to you and in front of you (facing you) as he can. (without touching you) When the command to heel is given, you then give your dog a command to come around and sit at your left side. I use the word, "place" because I want a distinction between heel and sitting at my side at heel. Heel for me is walking. Place, is sitting in his place along side me.
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08-23-2005, 11:31 PM	#4 (permalink)
*Carrie* Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: north panhandle of Idaho Posts: 7,415 Rep Power: 285	Lyric was already trained too. After he sat in front, I'd say "heel" and he'd come around and sit next to me. I just changed it in the last week. I'd say, "heel" and then "place" and use my finger that I point for him to go around and little wrist action is all I use. Now, I've eliminated the word, "heel" and just say "place" and he's got it. He's quick though to catch my meaning. If he sits crooked, I say, "place" or "get in your PLACE" just to see if he can get it when I use a whole sentence to muddle him up a bit. And he is learning to wiggle his butt till he straightens out. LOL. I love it when I can say a whole sentence and he can pick out the command word... just a little trick for fun, an experiment. I don't recommend it in general unless the dog's got the skill down pat. LOL.
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08-24-2005, 04:45 AM	#5 (permalink)
kittykatt Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 31 Rep Power: 0	Thanks girls, I am mainly interested in Tracking but anything might come up if I can learn and finding a will to do it I guess I never got that far with my GSD girl who diead at 5 month when hitting by a car, she got up a hare and she was ont he "right"track of becoming a great tracker already... I have hard time to forget her ( I dont mean forget as in totally but you know... letting her be ) But one day I will do it again.
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08-24-2005, 04:08 PM	#8 (permalink)
kittykatt Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 31 Rep Power: 0	Thats funny, in Swedish we use "plats" for down lol.. Sitt=sit, plats=down, hit=come here, Do you have a fast word for here, or is it only here or come here?
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08-23-2005, 06:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
bigdoglover Giant Schnauzers Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: West-Central Illinois Posts: 3,624 Rep Power: 177	I agree with Carrie, I have a SchH II titled female, and that is how it works. It comes into play when you have them retrieve an object (later in training) and they bring it to you, sitting in front of you until you take the object from them. It's usually a wooden dumbell, but I use balls, kongs, etc. Then the 'heel' command is given and they come around to your left side. Carrie, I like the 'place' command, but since my girl came already trained, the command for heeling while walking or standing is the same.

08-24-2005, 06:29 AM	#6 (permalink)
bigdoglover Giant Schnauzers Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: West-Central Illinois Posts: 3,624 Rep Power: 177	good luck with your tracking....it's fun watching a dog on scent and really working!! Carrie, I take it Lyric was trained in English? Elite was trained in German, so I had to learn all of the German commands. However, "lass es" is German for "leave it", but she responds to the English command instead of the German one. LOL....She is really great, though and I wouldn't trade her for the world!!

08-24-2005, 04:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
poodlesmom Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: upstate NY Posts: 1,389 Rep Power: 111	For recall I use "come" and they come & sit directly in front facing me. When I want them to then finish & move to a heel position, I say "heel back". I use "heel" when walking. I also use "heel" in an exercise where I will have them on a sit/stay and take a couple of giant steps forward or to the left or behind them and then tell them to "heel" and they will come & sit on my left in position.
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08-25-2005, 10:19 AM	#10 (permalink)
GSD Herding dogs Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: WI Posts: 1,133 Rep Power: 138	Heel is a command that gives what postition the dog should be in. I teach it first by having them come to my side and sit in perfect heel postition, I use German for this. Once she can find the position and watch me, then movement is added, this is also heeling position. when I stop she stops and sits unless I give a down or stand command. I have no need to for different commands for heeling because heeling is a postion, not an act.

08-25-2005, 04:11 PM	#11 (permalink)
kittykatt Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 31 Rep Power: 0	GSD, I never thought about that.. you are right now when I am thinking about it.. I always thought it was an act, you know "doing" something, but its not, it where the dog is. Thanks for clearing that one up
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08-25-2005, 04:24 PM	#12 (permalink)
Schwe American Bulldog Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Schenectady, NY Posts: 427 Rep Power: 75	GSD, I agree about the heel command being a position.. The way I teach it, the dog must be in the position no matter where I move. I pivot left, right, back up, move forward, walk in a circle in either direction, the dog better be at my left side, looking up at me!
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08-25-2005, 05:24 PM	#13 (permalink)
kazkirkpatrick Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 464 Rep Power: 93	Rexie isnt in schH training of any variety but here is what she does "come" - come to me and sit down in front of me "swing" - from the finished come position, go into a heel position by going left "around" - from the finished come position, go into a heel position by going around me to the right "heel"- no matter where you are (already in the heel position, on the other side of the yard, in front of me) go into the heel position with the intent of movement. For example, Im walking across the yard, she is on the other side, I say heel, she runs over next to me and walks on my left at my pace. She is a stubborn brat about "swing" as she finds it difficult to turn around in a small area! She is very good with the rest, excellent with come.
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08-26-2005, 08:12 AM	#14 (permalink)
*Carrie* Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: north panhandle of Idaho Posts: 7,415 Rep Power: 285	I tend to agree too with you GSD. That's the way I've always done it before, but when I have been taking Lyric to school lately, that's what the trainer there does and when her little Aussie (who's still learning) gets into an aproximate heel position, she says, "place" and he scoots his butt straighter. But I know what you mean....heel is "at your heel" whether you're moving or standing still. When you are standing still and then resume walking, do you again say, "heel?" Or "walkieeeeeeeees?" LOL. Or do you just walk and the dog walks at your heel? I've always, said it again. But then I'm afraid the dog will think it is associated with not only being in that position, but with walking (when we're walking) and then with being still (when he's sitting). Well, obviously it's not confusing because that's how they do it normally. But, in a way, I like the two commands, one for walking while at heel and one for sitting while at heel. I mean...theres the position (heel) but there's also movement sometimes and sitting sometimes with the heel. Hmmmm....can't make up my mind.
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08-26-2005, 11:46 AM	#15 (permalink)
GSD Herding dogs Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: WI Posts: 1,133 Rep Power: 138	Right now i'm training sits and stands in motion. she downs in motion really well, but the others are a little more fun. We're still not perfect in our heeling so when I stop and she sits in position, i'll give a good fuss, and then another fuss command when I start moving. I like the place command, or something like it, I need to find one myself for when she's a little crooked and I want her to swing her but in, not do a half flip finish back to position again. She knows what to do, or at least what she needs to do to correct her self, so I don't want to make it too confusing, but lately she's been doing some minor corrections without having to break position and jump in the air and swing her butt around. sometimes a little subtle butt wiggle back to position would be nice. (off topic, but when isn't a little butt wiggle nice ).

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